150 years, 3 teams (1870–1920, 1920–1970, 1970–2020)

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I have a feeling our teams will vary quite a bit.

I'll chop and change with peoples suggestions.

Rules
  • Played majority of career in period OR debuted in period at a high level of performance.
  • If the player moved clubs ONLY consider their form whilst at Port Adelaide (ie Tom Harley wouldn't get a look in).
TEMPLATE

LBP | FB | RBP
LHB | CHB | RHB
LW | C | RW
LHF | CHF | RHF
LFP | FF | RFP
ROV1 | ROV2 | RUCK
INT1 | INT2 | INT3 | INT4

Coach

Extended squad:

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1970–2020

John Cahill (Coach)​

Martin Leslie 1988 (LBP) | Greg Phillips 1980 (FB) | Tom Jonas 2018 (RBP)
Gavin Wanganeen 2003 (LHB) | Chad Cornes 2004 (CHB) | Peter Burgoyne 2003 (RHB)

Craig Bradley 1985 (LW) | Russell Ebert 1980 (C) | Bruce Abernethy 1988 (RW)
Nathan Buckley 1992 (ROV1) | Matthew Primus 2002 (RUCK) | Josh Francou 2001 (ROV2)

Jay Schulz 2014 (LHF) | Warren Tredrea 2004 (CHF) | Robbie Gray 2017 (RHF)
Chad Wingard 2015 (LFP) | Tim Evans 1980 (FF) | Scott Hodges 1990 (RFP)​

Interchange
Brian Cunningham (INT1)
Travis Boak (INT2)
Stephen Clifford (INT3)
Brendon Lade (INT4)

Extended squad:
  • Rucks
    • Paddy Ryder (RUCK)
    • Dean Brogan (RUCK)
    • Russell Johnston (RUCK)
  • Midfield
    • Ollie Wines (ROV)
    • Kane Cornes (ROV)
    • Darrell Cahill (ROV)
    • Stephen Williams (ROV)
  • Wingmen
    • Bruce Light (WING)
    • Greg Anderson (WING)
    • Kym Kinnear (WING)
    • Byron Pickett (WING)
  • Defenders
    • Peter Burgoyne (HB)
    • George Fiacchi (BP)
    • Peter Woite (CHB / CHF)
    • Roger Delaney
    • Tony Giles (HB)
  • Forwards
    • Daniel Motlop (FP)
    • Mark Williams (HF)
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1920–1970

Fos Williams
(Coach)​

Richard Russell (LBP) | John Abley (FB) | Edward Whelan (RBP)
Neville Hayes (LHB) | Marx Kretschmer (CHB) | Trevor Obst (RHB)

Lew Roberts (LW) | Geof Motley (C) | John Cahill (RW)
Bob Quinn (ROV1) | Lloyd Zucker (RUCK) | Allan Reval (ROV2)

Ian Hannaford (LHF) | Rex Johns (CHF) | Dave Boyd (RHF)
Les Dayman (LFP) | Eric Freeman (FF) | James Prideaux (RFP)

Interchange
Fos Williams (INT1)
Bob McLean (INT2)
Ernest Mucklow (INT3)
Jeff Potter (RW)

Extended squad:
  • Defenders:
    • Graham Cooper (CHB)
    • Roger Clift (CHB)
    • Harold McDonald (DEF)
  • Forwards:
    • Peter Obst (HF),

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1870–1920

Jack McGargill (Coach)

Alf Bushby (LBP) | Ken McKenzie (FB) | Archibald Hosie (LBP)
Henry Eaton (LBP) | Pervical Gardiner (CHB) | John Londrigan (RHB)

Sampson Hosking (LW) | Harold Oliver (C) | John Quinn Sr. (RW)
Angelo Congear (ROV1) | John Woollard (RUCK) | Jack Ashley (ROV2)

Alexander McKenzie (LHF) | John Dunn (CHF) | John McKenzie (RHF)
Jimmy Tompkins (LFP) | Frank Hansen (FF) | Harry Phillips (RFP)

Interchange
Harry Smith (INT1)
George Webb (INT2)
William Bushby (INT3)
Goody Hamilton (INT4)​


Extended squad:
  • Defenders:
    • John W. Robertson (DEF)
    • Horace Pope (DEF)
    • Richard James (DEF)
    • George Earle (DEF)
  • Midfield
    • Henry Hills (MID)
  • Forwards
    • Charlie Fry (FWD)
 
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FF Wingard, Hodges, Lade
HF M Williams, Tredrea, R Gray
C Anderson, R Ebert, Abernethy
HB Leslie, Phillips, C Cornes
FB Woite, Delaney, Wanganeen

Primus
Bradley
Cunningham

INT Evans, Jonas, Johnston, Boak
EMERG Giles
 
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Bruce Light, Tony Giles, Darren Mead, Tim Ginever and Mark Williams deserve mentions here somewhere.

I remember Leslie as a HBF and Phillips as CHB.

If Bradley qualifies then so does Buckley, but I'm nit-picking :)
 

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[QUOTE="SgtSchulz1920–1970 (incomplete)
Richard Russell (LBP) | John Abley (FB) | Edward Whelan (RBP)
Neville Hayes (LHB) | CHB | Trevor Obst (RHB)
Lew Roberts (LW) | Geof Motley (C) | John Cahill (RW)
LHF | Rex Johns (CHF) | Dave Boyd (RHF)
Les Dayman (LFP) | Eric Freeman (FF) | James Prideaux (RFP)
Bob Quinn (ROV1) | Allan Reval (ROV2) | Ian Hannaford (Ruck)
Fos Williams (INT1) | Bob McLean (INT2) | Ernest Mucklow (INT3) | Jeff Potter (RW)

Fos Williams (Coach)
[/QUOTE]

Trevor Obst - not half back flank, toss up between him and Dick Russell for back pocket. Russell, good as he was, had his career start delayed by the war (hon. mention).
RHB - Basil Jaggard
Centre - Dave Boyd
RHF - Motley because of his 7 goals from there in 2nd half 1957 GF.
Rex Johns - full forward, never CHF as he couldn’t kick the distance.
Ian Hannaford - move to CHF.
Lloyd Zucker - bring in as 1st ruck
Peter Obst - LHF
Roger Clift - CHB (edges out Graham Cooper)
Eric Freeman - hon. mention, his career interrupted by test cricket.
Neil Hawke - hon.mention for 24 goals in two matches in 1957.
 

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1970 - present covers my lifetime so it's the only one I can give a proper opinion on

B - Michael Wilson, Darryl Wakelin, Gavin Wanganeen
HB - Bruce Abernethy, Greg Phillips, Martin Leslie
C - Craig Bradley, Russell Ebert, Bruce Light
HF - Chad Wingard, Warren Tredrea, Travis Boak
F - Robbie Gray, Scott Hodges, Brendon Lade
R - Matthew Primus, Roger James, Brian Cunningham

Int. - Chad Cornes, Peter Burgoyne, Tim Evans, Tony Giles

Coach - John Cahill

Too many special mentions to be able to narrow it down
 

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Yeah I'm in the "if Bradley makes it Buckley does" camp. His 1992 season was one of the greatest single seasons by a Port player.

Is it best players or some guys who were gooder for longerer.
 

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A couple of players to consider for CHB in the 1920 -1970 side

Marx Kretschmer played in 6 premierships 1951-8. He was named at CHB in two and back pocket in another two. Very versatile he also played forward and on ball. Played 143 games for Port and 4 state games.

Graham Cooper played CHB in 3 premiership sides, 1962-63 and 65. Played 118 games for Port and 3 state games.
 
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Yeah I'm in the "if Bradley makes it Buckley does" camp. His 1992 season was one of the greatest single seasons by a Port player.

Is it best players or some guys who were gooder for longerer.
We might as well include Hayden Bunton senior then for his 1945 season then.

Bradley won B&F's in 1982 as 18/19 year old, 1984 and 1985 as well as contributing as a 17 year old in 1981 finals and would have been more if he didn't get glandular fever and miss most of the season after debuting in Rd 4 or 5. In 1983 he would have won the B&F if he didnt go to England with the U/19 Oz cricket team. He probably would have won the Magarey Medal.

So no cricket tour means he would be the only person to have won 4 B&F's in a row for Port. Harry Tick Phillips won 3 in a row in 1891-3 and then it did not again until Robbie Gray did it in 2014-16.
 
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Fos' best team he coached 1950-1973, you would think that this would dominate a 1921-1970 team. His team he named in Dynasty was as follows and in bold are those who IMO played their best footy post 1970.

B.. Dick Russell..... John Abley.... Doug Spiers
HB Peter Woite.... Roger Clift.... Neville Hayes
C Bruce Light... Russell Ebert.. John Cahill
HF Dave Boyd.... Ian Hannaford... Geof Motley
F Jeff Potter.......... Rex Johns..... Paul Marrett
R Lloyd Zucker.... Ted Whelan..... Fos Williams
Res Ron Luke (1951 flag and only 46 games), Harold McDonald (5 flags), Ray Whittaker (2 flags), Peter Marrett (2 flags)

I'm surprised that neither of Trevor (4 flags) or Peter Obst (6 flags) made Fos' side. Neither did 6 times premiership player Marx Kretschmer.

The club named a a few of Fos' players in a different position in the Greatest Team compared to where Fos put them;

Geof Motley Fos HFF GT had him at HBF
Ted Whelan Fos RR GT had him at BP
Jeff Potter Fos FP GT had him on the bench
Peter Woite Fos HBF GT had him on the bench
Lloyd Zucker Fos R GT had him on the bench

Fos had the following players in the same position as the GT;
Dick Russell, John Abley, Neville Hayes, Russell Ebert, John Cahill, Dave Boyd and Fos Williams
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/club/history/Greatest-Team


The following players played 1921 -1950 made the greatest team
Bob Quinn FP
Les Bro Dayman CHF
Allan Bull Revell Follower
All 3 are in the HoF

or are in the HoF.

Leslie ‘Bro’ Dayman
Player: 1921-1931, 1937
Games: 166 | Goals: 401
2x premierships: 1921, 1928
Best and Fairest: 1923-24, 1928
Club leading goalkicker: 1928-31
League leading goalkicker: 1929

Ron ‘Brick’ Hoffman
Player: 1939-1948
Games: 103 | Goals: 181
Administrator: 1972-92

Allan ‘Bull’ Reval
Player: 1932-1943, 1945
Games: 184 | Goals: 79
4x premierships: 1936-37, 1939, 1942
Best and Fairest: 1939
Port Adelaide’s Greatest Team: Follower
Captain-coach: 1940-41

Lew Roberts
Player: 1937-1948
Games: 182 | Goals: 50
3x premierships: 1937, 1939, 1942
Best and Fairest: 1946
Captain: 1942-44
Captain-coach: 1948

Hosking and Oliver played post 1920 but their greatest deeds were pre 1921.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/club/history/hall-of-fame
 

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Fos' best team he coached 1950-1973, you would think that this would dominate a 1921-1970 team.
Any team from a later era should beat one from an earlier one, just by the increased height and training times across eras. Our 2018 side would wipe the floor with a best 1870-1990 side, if all were at their peaks, just by sheer size, strength and fitness, despite not being in the ballpark for pure football skills.
 
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Any team from a later era should beat one from an earlier one, just by the increased height and training times across eras. Our 2018 side would wipe the floor with a best 1870-1990 side, if all were at their peaks, just by sheer size, strength and fitness, despite not being in the ballpark for pure football skills.
By dominate I mean dominate players selected. You are picking the team on relativities not absolutes. Of course the best player of 2019 will be a better player than the best player of 1971, because as you say he is bigger, stronger, faster probably more skilled as he is a full timer vs a part timer.
 
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By dominate I mean dominate players selected selected. You are picking the team on relativities not absolutes. Of course the best player of 2019 will be a better player than the best player of 1970, because as you say he is bigger, stronger, faster probably more skilled as he is a full timer vs a part timer.
Any team from a later era should beat one from an earlier one, just by the increased height and training times across eras. Our 2018 side would wipe the floor with a best 1870-1990 side, if all were at their peaks, just by sheer size, strength and fitness, despite not being in the ballpark for pure football skills.
Always an impossible task to compare players from different eras.

Harold Oliver was tall for his era. Today he would be shorter than average in the AFL.
 

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We might as well include Hayden Bunton senior then for his 1945 season then.

Bradley won B&F's in 1982 as 18/19 year old, 1984 and 1985 as well as contributing as a 17 year old in 1981 finals and would have been more if he didn't get glandular fever and miss most of the season after debuting in Rd 4 or 5. In 1983 he would have won the B&F if he didnt go to England with the U/19 Oz cricket team. He probably would have won the Magarey Medal.

So no cricket tour means he would be the only person to have won 4 B&F's in a row for Port. Harry Tick Phillips won 3 in a row in 1891-3 and then it did not again until Robbie Gray did it in 2014-16.
Was Bunton's season top draw or are you including his name because of what he did at Fitzroy. A bit different to my argument.

And there are a lot of coulda shoulda moments in your comments about Bradley.

I'm saying Buckley should be included for his time at Port and nothing else that came after. His 1992 season was literally perfect.
 

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Was Bunton's season top draw or are you including his name because of what he did at Fitzroy. A bit different to my argument.

And there are a lot of coulda shoulda moments in your comments about Bradley.

I'm saying Buckley should be included for his time at Port and nothing else that came after. His 1992 season was literally perfect.
Yeah he was past his prime whilst at Port Adelaide playing a role similar to Luke Hodge at Brisbane recently. Invaluable to the side but past his best individually. Still garnered a couple Magarey votes.
 

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Any team from a later era should beat one from an earlier one, just by the increased height and training times across eras. Our 2018 side would wipe the floor with a best 1870-1990 side, if all were at their peaks, just by sheer size, strength and fitness, despite not being in the ballpark for pure football skills.
Not necessarily, if it was umpired to "pre-1990" ish rules and 'standards', or played at grounds in 'average' conditions for that era. Our sides weren't usually notable as the *most* skilled, but as the most professional and the hardest by the standards of the day, and regularly humbled "more skilled" sides for a century. Lightning fast modern flat track at current rules - the less congested centre bounces, chopping the arms rule, our hair-trigger umpiring out of most rough stuff - totally different story.
 
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Peter Obst, Lloyd Zucker and Roger Clift for possible 1920 to 1970 extended squad?

Buckley and Andy Obst interesting post 1970 possibles. The time they were with Port were excellent seasons., but not long periods.i would select them.

May need to apply some qualifications to selections. Bunton's and Hank's only seasons during WW2 I do not know enough about tocomment uthoitatively on.

In the post 1970 era I ha e Kutchie at CHB, Chad in place of Schulz, and Delaney at FB.
 

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How would people rank Russell Johnston, Matthew Primus, Brendon Lade, Dean Brogan, Paddy Ryder?

They are all completely different.
Totally different.

I didn't see enough of Johnston to rate. Lade > Primus >>> Brogan over the journey.

Primus was such a dominating ruck prior to the rule change, but Lade was such a clever and effective footballer and held his own in competing for AA honours against 2 of the greatest ruckmen of all time in Cox and Sandi. Lade had the body of the old fashioned lumbering ruckman combined with a brilliant football mind and terrific skills for his size.

Ryder is probably ahead of Brogan but behind the other two. If I had to pick 1 from our AFL era, it's probably Lade.
 

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Brogan is clearly behind Primus, Lade and Ryder. He's viewed with rose coloured glasses because he was a good old-fashioned Port Adelaide player and he was around for our flag, but based purely on talent and output he's not even close to the other three.
 

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In a 1924 interview of Jack McGargill he lists the following players as the best in his time:

Best player: Goodie Hamilton (rover) "A rover of exceptional ability"
Best ruckman: Welshie Davis (ruck man)
Best kick: Francis Hansen (Full forward) "Frank could get goals from almost any angle"
Best defender: Percy Gardiner (defender) "His dash and reliability were simply wonderful"

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/...=mcgargill football &searchLimits=
 
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