Player Watch #17: James Stewart - Groin injury, not running yet. couple of weeks once he starts running - 23/4

Joined
Jun 9, 2018
Posts
203
Likes
152
AFL Club
Essendon
That rod we've made ourselves at the selection table is now firmly in place. Hopefully Stewart gets the opportunity to take apart a VFL minnow soon.

Has Brown done anything that we think is beyond Stewart?

I know who I'd rather have in the team.
I think the main reason Stewart got dropped was his inability to play to the structures of our forwardline, DreamTime was particularly egregious.

I don't think he is a legitimate key forward, I doubt Tom Lynch at Adel. would ever be asked to play as one either.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Vander18

Club Legend
Joined
Apr 22, 2011
Posts
2,269
Likes
2,718
AFL Club
Essendon
That rod we've made ourselves at the selection table is now firmly in place. Hopefully Stewart gets the opportunity to take apart a VFL minnow soon.

Has Brown done anything that we think is beyond Stewart?

I know who I'd rather have in the team.
It’s true...problem is Brown keeps playing ok,Stewart keeps underwhelming and we keep winning!
 

eth-dog

Premium Gold
Joined
Jan 11, 2007
Posts
73,203
Likes
32,821
Location
Melbourne
AFL Club
Essendon
Other Teams
Coburg Lions, All Boston sides
That rod we've made ourselves at the selection table is now firmly in place. Hopefully Stewart gets the opportunity to take apart a VFL minnow soon.

Has Brown done anything that we think is beyond Stewart?

I know who I'd rather have in the team.
Sorry but this is bullshit. Stewart made his own bed by not performing, he got dropped for someone who was at VFL level, and hasn't improved his form since. He had his opportunity against a VFL minnow in his first game down there and wasted it.
 

BrunoV

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
May 5, 2009
Posts
14,884
Likes
18,235
AFL Club
Essendon
I think the main reason Stewart got dropped was his inability to play to the structures of our forwardline, DreamTime was particularly egregious.

I don't think he is a legitimate key forward, I doubt Tom Lynch at Adel. would ever be asked to play as one either.

So Brown performs the key forward structural function better?
 

Vander18

Club Legend
Joined
Apr 22, 2011
Posts
2,269
Likes
2,718
AFL Club
Essendon
Sorry but this is bullshit. Stewart made his own bed by not performing, he got dropped for someone who was at VFL level, and hasn't improved his form since. He had his opportunity against a VFL minnow in his first game down there and wasted it.
You are both right...he deserved to get dropped but we will better if he can find form and return.
 

VelvetSledge

Resident Photoshopper
Joined
May 24, 2007
Posts
13,755
Likes
21,480
Location
Andrew McGrath's Jawline
AFL Club
Essendon
Other Teams
Liverpool FC, Victory, Storm
Form drop from last year or his last 6 weeks compared to his first 6 at afl level this year
In this year. He was good for a couple of goals each week, even though he floated in and out of the game. You'd accept that if he got on the scoreboard.

This year though...
 

Milanista28

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Dec 2, 2014
Posts
10,745
Likes
16,164
AFL Club
Essendon
Brown stays in, Definitely deserves his spot, I was a Brown knocker but you can't deny his effort and application, He knows he's 1 bad performance away from being dropped and as long as he remains serviceable he stays in, fwiw he's been much more than serviceable this past month.
 

yodellinhank

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Oct 22, 2008
Posts
10,200
Likes
10,743
Location
Geelong
AFL Club
Essendon
Sorry but this is bullshit. Stewart made his own bed by not performing, he got dropped for someone who was at VFL level, and hasn't improved his form since. He had his opportunity against a VFL minnow in his first game down there and wasted it.
Brown was also playing pretty poor in the 2's from reports. He's been pretty good in the seniors but i think BrunoV has a point about the logic of it all.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

BrunoV

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
May 5, 2009
Posts
14,884
Likes
18,235
AFL Club
Essendon
He kicked 7 goals in 2 games before he came in, so no.


Go back and look at his game against Footscray.

His form ended where Stewart's did.

Stewart can influence a game in about three ways where as Brown is kind of just there.

When in doubt, and there was doubt, pick your best players otherwise you get stuck with the reality of VFL draw which, eth-dog, you seem to understand in every other context.
 

eth-dog

Premium Gold
Joined
Jan 11, 2007
Posts
73,203
Likes
32,821
Location
Melbourne
AFL Club
Essendon
Other Teams
Coburg Lions, All Boston sides
Go back and look at his game against Footscray.

His form ended where Stewart's did.

Stewart can influence a game in about three ways where as Brown is kind of just there.

When in doubt, and there was doubt, pick your best players otherwise you get stuck with the reality of VFL draw which, eth-dog, you seem to understand in every other context.
Brown had form prior and he's performed well for 3 games. Not amazingly, but well. If Stewart had kicked 4.1 instead of 1.4 against Coburg do you really think he wouldn't have played against North?
 

Darealrath

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Jul 6, 2002
Posts
11,313
Likes
2,342
Location
Melbourne
AFL Club
Essendon
Other Teams
Arsenal, Pacers
Get the impression McKernan and Brown are better key forwards for our structure, but Stewart's a better 3rd tall. Daniher getting hurt and Hooker moving back has hurt him as that was the ideal set up for him. Now he's competing with Stringer as the third tall and it's no contest.
 

BrunoV

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
May 5, 2009
Posts
14,884
Likes
18,235
AFL Club
Essendon
Get the impression McKernan and Brown are better key forwards for our structure, but Stewart's a better 3rd tall. Daniher getting hurt and Hooker moving back has hurt him as that was the ideal set up for him. Now he's competing with Stringer as the third tall and it's no contest.

For this to be true Brown would have to be more suited to the role or performing it better. What is Brown doing that is more suited to the role?
 

Ambrosia

Norm Smith Medallist
Joined
Mar 11, 2010
Posts
9,348
Likes
4,747
AFL Club
Essendon
For this to be true Brown would have to be more suited to the role or performing it better. What is Brown doing that is more suited to the role?
Brown seems to be smarter on the lead and with Stewart having the yips he is a much better set shot. That being said I do agree that Stewart should come in for Brown ASAP because of his athleticism creates goals that Brown simply can't
 

Darealrath

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Jul 6, 2002
Posts
11,313
Likes
2,342
Location
Melbourne
AFL Club
Essendon
Other Teams
Arsenal, Pacers
For this to be true Brown would have to be more suited to the role or performing it better. What is Brown doing that is more suited to the role?
I reckon he's a bit smarter in knowing when and where to lead. Has taken important marks hitting up down the line in the last couple weeks.

I like Stewart but he can go missing for quarters at a time. You need your key forwards to have more of a consistent presence.
 

TheFrenchCut

Premiership Player
Joined
Apr 22, 2014
Posts
3,406
Likes
7,649
AFL Club
Essendon
For this to be true Brown would have to be more suited to the role or performing it better. What is Brown doing that is more suited to the role?
I think the crux of it is Brown is getting to more contests and linking up better than Stewart was.

This is from our Carlton game earlier this year onwards. I've gone with that considering it's the first time we were missing Daniher. Over that time..

Brown avg. 6 score involvements and 4.33 score involvements excluding his own scoring shots

Mckernan avg. 7.14 SI, 4.28 SI excluding his SS

Stewart avg. 4.5 SI, 3 excluding his SS

Imo Stewart is more talented than Brown but I think the latter is providing us with more at the moment.
 

yaco55

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jul 25, 2007
Posts
35,446
Likes
11,870
Location
hong kong
AFL Club
Essendon
Dalreath summed it up best - The issue for Stewart is with no Hooker or JD he is usually getting the number one tall defender which doesn't suit his skill-set - Stewart is fine with the number three tall defender and can cope with the number two defender.
 

Ambrosia

Norm Smith Medallist
Joined
Mar 11, 2010
Posts
9,348
Likes
4,747
AFL Club
Essendon
Dalreath summed it up best - The issue for Stewart is with no Hooker or JD he is usually getting the number one tall defender which doesn't suit his skill-set - Stewart is fine with the number three tall defender and can cope with the number two defender.
I don't think it's the quality of defender that troubles Stewart it's the different requirements of the role .
 
Top Bottom