Absolute crap.Some of your staff are now trying to rush a bloke back from an acl reco
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Absolute crap.Some of your staff are now trying to rush a bloke back from an acl reco
I agree...that mindless slagging (I've done it too! ) is uncalled for and old school stuff, Michaels is totally right here!Let me make myself very clear.
Anyone who wants to attack oppo posters for no reason at all is copping days.
No need for that ********, we are better than that.
dimma will throw him into the middle again lolRance has said he'll be back for finals. But, whether the fitness team agree is another thing. Still he's in the conversation, which is great. I'd love him back because even if he plays loose man he'd add so much.
And he's a legend. This would only make the legend bigger.
It’s got me stuffed why there are so many acl injuries in footy compared to other sports and the other thing, if you consider the amount of players and percentage of acl’s
Your more than likely to do a knee more than once in your sporting life compared to the percentage who don’t do one at all.
Makes me wonder if it’s the amount of straight line drills as a junior compared to BBall ,Hockey and Soccer
You can also see it in the womens footy the amount there’s been last few years
they make too much $$$ out of people re doing emHow is it 2019 and we still have such a crude and barbaric method for fixing knees. I suspect we will look back on this in a similar way we look back on drilling holes in heads and bloodletting. How have we not come up with a way to get nanobots in there to repair the damaged ligament or test tube grown super strong ligaments that can be inserted into the knee stronger than before.
It’s got me stuffed why there are so many acl injuries in footy compared to other sports and the other thing, if you consider the amount of players and percentage of acl’s
Your more than likely to do a knee more than once in your sporting life compared to the percentage who don’t do one at all.
Makes me wonder if it’s the amount of straight line drills as a junior compared to BBall ,Hockey and Soccer
You can also see it in the womens footy the amount there’s been last few years
It’s got me stuffed why there are so many acl injuries in footy compared to other sports and the other thing, if you consider the amount of players and percentage of acl’s
Your more than likely to do a knee more than once in your sporting life compared to the percentage who don’t do one at all.
Makes me wonder if it’s the amount of straight line drills as a junior compared to BBall ,Hockey and Soccer
You can also see it in the womens footy the amount there’s been last few years
most of us are anyway.I agree...that mindless slagging (I've done it too! ) is uncalled for and old school stuff, Michaels is totally right here!
We are better than that!
How is it 2019 and we still have such a crude and barbaric method for fixing knees. I suspect we will look back on this in a similar way we look back on drilling holes in heads and bloodletting. How have we not come up with a way to get nanobots in there to repair the damaged ligament or test tube grown super strong ligaments that can be inserted into the knee stronger than before.
Exactly as i was told.Yeah, the only reason I came across this conversation between surgeons and physios was because I had mine reconstructed back in Feb. The bloke who did mine and the physio don't have an official Richmond affiliation, but a couple of other clubs here in Melbourne.
Their concerns were basically exactly as you said. Elite athletes are always going to have muscle conditioning up to scratch not long after the surgery, which makes them feel 'ready' to go (which is why they were showing concern at the discussion around being ahead of 'schedule', being that the graft itself is a great unknown and thus doesn't really have a schedule, so to speak). They theorise that when graft is harvested from the hamstring it is super strong at that point immediately after the surgery (but swelling and proprioception mean you still feel s**t). Then between 6-12 weeks it weakens incredibly, then from about 5-6 months onwards it gradually gets stronger as it lays down its own collagen before theoretically reaching a peak at 24 months (ready for return to sport after 9-12 months).
I piped up because I was interested in whether or not Alex would make it back, and since he was the topic of their conversation, they gave me a little bit of the 'history' of ACL reconstructive surgery and how they used to actually get blokes back on the park in 4-5 months quite regularly. I thought that maybe Richmond supporters would want that relayed so that they could make a better assessment for themselves on the realistic chances of Rance getting back in time for a finals tilt or if it does happen, the risk appetite for doing so.
cant compare a lars technique to a normal tendon graft. However AFAIK a tendon is a tendon is a tendon, so this theory about hamstring or other still must follow tendon pathology practice.The one noticable difference to what you just posted to Rance is the type of graft used, which plays a big part in this I suspect.
It appears (not 100% confirmed) that a quadricep graft was used, not the hamstring graft.
This was a huge part of the reason why Goldsack was able to get back earlier than expected IMO.
I have had both the hamstring and a LARS reconstruction and that weakness is definitely felt from the hamstring graft for a long long time.
The LARS graft however felt very strong straight away.
Obviously this isnt a LARS situation but just showing that the type of graft used can definitely play a part in the timeline I suspect.
Mate if you have had bad backs, knees etc you would know the docs are still very much in the dark.How is it 2019 and we still have such a crude and barbaric method for fixing knees. I suspect we will look back on this in a similar way we look back on drilling holes in heads and bloodletting. How have we not come up with a way to get nanobots in there to repair the damaged ligament or test tube grown super strong ligaments that can be inserted into the knee stronger than before.
There are shitloads in netball too.The amount of ACL injuries in AFL compared to other sports comes down to how dynamic & explosive AFL is vs those other sports.
A lot more jumping & landing with contact, twisting, turning sharply.
The sheer force players put through their legs with the movements required is huge.
Unfortunately I don't think we will see a decline in these injuries anytime soon :-(
Euro sports are lead by soccer, which likes to have wet grounds, not something we like. This means more give in the ground, and the sport is more straight line and less 360 degree play.I heard on a sport science podcast that the number of ACL's that we get here in Australia is much much higher than in Europe even when controlling for the sport type. This article discusses overall numbers I think https://www.scimex.org/newsfeed/australia-tops-the-world-for-rates-of-common-sports-injury
I think it has something to do with how we prepare our sporting fields and how hard they are compared to in Europe. With the attention towards concussion etc I'm amazed the AFLPA haven't come out and demanded some sort of ground preparation standard. A ground penetration test or something similar should be conducted before each game.
Yep, they went through all the options with me and apparently use quad graft for athletes who need to retain sprint speed. I just went with what's most commonly used so fewer complications. But the graft itself still goes through the process of decay then laying collagen to strengthen which occurs independent of the muscle gain.
Turning as he came down and rolling his ankle on the back of McKays leg was just a freak situation, put him 2cm back and chances are the knee doesn't go pop. Can't train for bad luck, but hopefully they find something soon which minimises the chances as we lose too many players to ACLsRance's knee was such a simple movement. Jumped up and down in a fairly straight line. Nothing he hasn't done 10,000 times before. And it went 'pop'. Not sure how you train for that. Jack at least got spun round in s circle by Gawn. Bad luck.
Guys getting their ankle's stepped on, Short having some idiot land on top of him. Freak accidents. And we've had a decades worth in one half of one season.
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Did some reading, seems like the quadricep graft is larger in size and has more collagen present of all the graft options.
Either way, 9 months min seems the safest approach but if Tigers are in finals, can see Rance putting his boots on.
Appreciate your input in this discussion, how did you do your acl? And more importantly, how are you tracking?
Not really anything new in the article in the Herald Sun. Basically 'If it's too risky he won't play'. Larkins says around the 25 week mark is when it's at its weakest but that would be the 25th week of a traditional 12 month recovery would it not? From all reports he's way ahead of that. He always seems to go worst case Larkins.
Just do what I do and come off two steps these days.Cricket mate. Running into bowl, big pop. Complete ACL tear, dislocation, meniscus damage.
I'm tracking well. 4 months post op now and muscle size is now almost equal between both legs, pushing some major weights in the gym, and running up to 5km, with light agility work. Still doesn't feel right though and probably won't for a few years, but now it's just patience to make sure I don't overdo it!