1979 Covert Israeli Nuclear Test & radioactive fallout upon Australia

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I thought it was accepted fact they conducted that test? In cahoots with apartheid Saff govt?

(The real story there is the bioweapons research the Saffs and Israelis were doing jointly on germs/diseases that would only affect certain races.)
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America knows how to look after rogue States. Get them to do all the dodgy shit and they'll be looked after. As long as they hand over the science. If rogue state goes rogue, they use that dodgy shit against you.
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https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...ident-nuclear-test-israel-south-africa-214507

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israel-s-nuclear-program-the-vela-incident

A recently unearthed document from the Carter Library also provides interesting details in support of the nuclear test thesis. In December 1980, as the Carter administration was winding up, the DIA reported to the White House that the analysis of thyroid glands from Australian sheep killed in October 1979 indicated that that year showed “abnormally high levels” of Iodine 131, a “short-lived isotope that occurs as the result of a nuclear event.” More analysis had to be done to demonstrate whether the iodine might have had industrial non-weapons origins, but the implication of the report was that the September 22 event produced enough fallout to contaminate meadows in Australia (if not rain water in New Zealand) for a brief period.

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Memorandum for the Record by Allen W. Locke, “Requesting Australian Assistance in Verifying Possible South African Nuclear Test,” 25 September 1979, Secret

Later that day, the White House decided that the Australian government should be informed at the most "senior level" about the Vela findings. Otherwise, “U.S. Air Force activities conducted from Australian territory would be described on the basis of a cover story.”

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U.S. Embassy Wellington telegram 06157 to State Department, “SITREP V: Possible Evidence of Southern Hemisphere Nuclear Test,” 16 November 1979, Secret

While waiting to hear more from the Institute of Nuclear Sciences, the Embassy in Wellington sent a “Nodis Cherokee” message about another effort to identify “testable” sources of radioactive contamination: the thyroid glands of cows and sheep. Richard Batt, the chair of the Biochemistry/Biophysics Department at Massey University had been sending samples regularly to a professor at the University of Tennessee as part of a routine radiation monitoring program. Recent samples, including from Australia, taken during the relevant period showed “zero abnormal radioactivity.” Batt was “slightly contemptuous” of the Institute for Nuclear Sciences and believed that the University of Tennessee’s “track record of detecting nuclear explosion is excellent.”

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Intelligence Coordination to Zbigniew Brzezinski, “Evening Report,” 1 December 1980, Secret. Source: Jimmy Carter Presidential Library, NLC 10-33-4-4-6

The DIA’s Jack Varona had argued that a nuclear test might not have produced radioactive fallout, but the testing of thyroid glands in Australian sheep mentioned in Document 27 suggested an alternative possibility. According to this memo from Brzezinski’s intelligence staff, the thyroid glands of sheep slaughtered near Melbourne during October 1979 showed “abnormally high levels” of Iodine 131, a “short-lived isotope that occurs as the result of a nuclear event.” The sheep had grazed in an area where it had rained during 26-27 September 1979. DIA would be investigating whether the Iodine 131 could have been ingested as a result of nearby industrial or pharmaceutical activities. Why it took so long for the test results to reach DIA was not explained.

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Interestingly, in 1979 Australian Radiation Laboratory did not issue their standard annual report and when Dr. Moroney in November 1979 gave a talk in Tokyo entitled “Radioactive Fallout in the Southern Hemisphere from Nuclear Weapons Tests,” there was no mention about the otherwise widely discussed Vela incident and whether any debris was seen or not seen in the Australian network, J. Moroney, ”Radioactive Fallout in The Southern Hemisphere from Nuclear Weapons Tests,” Australian Radiation Laboratory report ARL/TR013, (November 1979).

Why did the ARL not issue a report for 1979?
Was it because of LVM's sheep thyroid data?
and why did Dr Roger Melick say nothing either?
Unless they were both closely involved in advising the Fraser government directly.
By 1981, the Fraser government had bought on mandatory cancer reporting laws. Why?

Why did whoever it was wait until 1979 to test their bomb? Was it because the Australian collection of body samples for strontium testing of radioactive fallout by ARL finished in 1978?
But no-one told them that Dr Roger Melick was still sending sheep thyroids to Dr Lester Van Middlesworth.

How much did John Moroney know about the event that was to occur on 22/9/1979 before it actually happened?

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Message sent to countries with research stations in Antarticia in 1979

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THE UNITED STATES IS SEEKING TO GATHER ALL AVAILABLE INFORMATION FROM RESEARCH STATIONS IN THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE, INCLUDING THOSE IN ANTARCTICA, THAT MAY HELP DETERMINE THE EXACT NATURE AND LOCATION OF A POSSIBLE NUCLEAR EVENT THAT OCCURRED AT 0052 GMT ON 22 SEPTEMBER. -- WE ARE REQUESTING YOUR ASSISTANCE IN THIS ENDEAVOR. -- IT IS POSSIBLE THAT YOUR SCIENTIFIC STATION(S) MAY HAVE RECORDED SIGNALS THAT COULD PROVIDE INFORMATION RELATED TO THE SEPTEMBER 22 EVENT. -- WE ASK THAT THE APPROPRIATE SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATIONS IN YOUR COUNTRY BE REQUESTED TO RAPIDLY REVIEW ALL OF THEIR RECORDINGS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC, SEISMIC OR ACOUSTIC READINGS WHICH WOULD RELATE TO AN EVENT AT 0052 GMT ON SEPTEMBER 22 OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER. IN THE CASE OF A POSITIVE RESULT WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN RECEIVING A COPY OF THE RECORDING. -- WE ARE SPECIFICALLY INTERESTED IN: CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 03 STATE 291875 (A) RADIO EMISSIONS AT ANY FREQUENCY BETWEEN ONE AND 50 KILOCYCLES RECORDED BY IONOSPHERIC RESEARCH INSTRUMENTS; (B) AURORA AND AIRGLOW RECORDINGS; (C) SEISMIC RECORDINGS; (D) ACOUSTIC (LOW FREQUENCY SOUND) RECORDINGS; (E) AIR SAMPLING; OR (F) IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY OF THE ABOVE ANY RECORDINGS THAT RESEARCH TEAMS MADE ON 22 SEPTEMBER THAT THEY BELIEVE COULD BE RELEVANT TO THE POSSIBLE NUCLEAR EVENT DURING THE PERIOD OF INTEREST. -- IF THE RESULTS OF THIS REVIEW OF SIGNALS PROVIDES ANY POSITIVE DATA WE WILL SHARE OUR ANALYSIS WITH YOU. VANCE


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