Player Watch #20 Sam Reid

[Kennedy Parker]

Sam Reid

Sam Reid

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Sam Reid

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

’s outstanding athleticism and strong contested grab make him a genuine threat inside 50. The 2012 premiership forward showed exactly that when he booted six goals in the Sydney Swans’ clash with Collingwood in Mark Grook at the SCG to win the 2019 Goodes-O’Loughlin Medal. The 2009 draftee can also play as a loose man in defence or pinch-hit in the ruck. Reid has had very little luck on the injury front in his time in red and white, but he didn’t miss an AFL match in 2019. He’s played 143 career games at the top level for a return of 154 goals.

Sam Reid

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Sam Reid

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

DOB: 27 December 1991
DEBUT: 2010
DRAFT: #38, 2009 National Draft
RECRUITED FROM: Wangaratta Rovers (Vic)/Murray U18

Sam Reid | AFL

Follow Sam Reid's progress through AFL

www.sydneyswans.com.au

 

[The King!]

coming up with new and improved ways to make a high paid forward seem handy

hes twice the price jesse white ever was and no better

 

[Jewelsbon]

We can only really judge on recent output and Reid's 2019 was a pretty solid year. He contributed more than just his 28 goals and a Marn Grook BOG against the Pies. He was 8th in the AFL for i50 tackles while still spending a fair bit of time in ruck and defence. He also provided a strong marking target across half-back, having been in the top 10 of contested marks in the AFL in two years. He's had his share of injuries in the past, missing 2.5 of 9 seasons but he played almost every game in 6 of those 9 seasons.

To recent form and in 2019 Sam Reid placed top 10 in almost every team stat including Goals (2nd), marks, tackles, tackles i50 (1st), hitouts (2nd), contested possies, Contested marks (1st), marks i50 (1st), Centre clerances, one percenters, score involvements, TOG, goal assists, frees for, supercoach and dreamteam. He has few clangers and gives away few frees. 2019 stats suggest that Reid isn't just in our best 22 but very much in our top 10 overall.

A fit Reid would be in my best 22 every day of the week.

 

[Tedeski]

Goals 2010-2020

Stephen Milne (retired 2013) - 197
James Podsiadly (retired 2014) - 195
Jonathon Brown (retired 2014) - 171
Sam Reid (occasionally still playing) - 154
Barry Hall (retired 2011) - 135

The fact that you go to that length to discredit someone is a little sad actually.
Cheaper than Buddy.

 

[Punts]

The fact that you go to that length to discredit someone is a little sad actually.
Cheaper than Buddy.

Sad that you always wack buddy every opportunity

Let’s be honest and you should know because you know most players figures that Reid hasn’t been Hard done By in terms of dollar and years

 

[swansfan51]

The fact that you go to that length to discredit someone is a little sad actually.
Cheaper than Buddy.

Every game Sam Reid has played since Franklin joined the Swans (6 years, ~$3m): 93 goals

Franklin's 2014 season on its own (~$1m): 79 goals

What great value Franklin is compared to the other guy, not even counting the fact that Franklin helped drive record memberships. The fact that you keep posting trolling and incorrect information is a little sad actually.

 

[Kennedy Parker]

Back on Sam Reid, yeah he's a C-grader, and we won't get any value out of him in a trade so I just see his purpose now as a stopgap between Franklin's retirement and Blakey reaching his peak.

 

[Tedeski]

Every game Sam Reid has played since Franklin joined the Swans (6 years, ~$3m): 93 goals

Franklin's 2014 season on its own (~$1m): 79 goals

What great value Franklin is compared to the other guy, not even counting the fact that Franklin helped drive record memberships. The fact that you keep posting trolling and incorrect information is a little sad actually.

You've been "trolling" this forum for quite a while then if you classify my posting as trolling.
Very rarely do you have much good to say about the club. You seem ashamed of it actually.

Reid can only be what his body allows him to be. Reid has one more p'ship as a Swan than Buddy has.

 

[Tedeski]

Sad that you always wack buddy every opportunity

Let’s be honest and you should know because you know most players figures that Reid hasn’t been Hard done By in terms of dollar and years

That's not a whack at Buddy. It's a whack for anyone that thinks he will finish a "great" investment when reflected upon later.
He will cost our club by the end of his time as a Swan more than Reid has. He has also done plenty prior but that was all over after 2017.
2018, 2019, 2020 & 2021, through no fault of his, much like Reid, he will have cost the club & our cap some $5-5.5M.
But hey he does magic tricks 3 times a year.

 

[Tedeski]

Back on Sam Reid, yeah he's a C-grader, and we won't get any value out of him in a trade so I just see his purpose now as a stopgap between Franklin's retirement and Blakey reaching his peak.

So you see him like 90% of all the other forwards in the comp going forward. He has a role. When his body allows.

 

[Kennedy Parker]

So you see him like 90% of all the other forwards in the comp going forward. He has a role. When his body allows.

Yeah, I see him as an average role player, I think the club overestimated his capabilities initially and overvalued his contract, which has led to inflated expectations on him.

In any case, can't change that now so hopefully he's able to maintain fitness and be effective in his role.

 

[Jewelsbon]

That's not a whack at Buddy. It's a whack for anyone that thinks he will finish a "great" investment when reflected upon later.
He will cost our club by the end of his time as a Swan more than Reid has. He has also done plenty prior but that was all over after 2017.
2018, 2019, 2020 & 2021, through no fault of his, much like Reid, he will have cost the club & our cap some $5-5.5M.
But hey he does magic tricks 3 times a year.

I'm a Reid fan and have already stated in this thread that when fit he is in my best 22, but I just cannot agree with your view of Buddy and how you see him as anything but a great investment. The membership, merchandise sales, bums on seats, all these things have to be taken into account when weighing up if something has been a success or not.
Ted for someone how so vehemently defends our other players, I find your constant denigrating of Buddy strange to say the least.

 

[Tedeski]

Yeah, I see him as an average role player, I think the club overestimated his capabilities initially and overvalued his contract, which has led to inflated expectations on him.

In any case, can't change that now so hopefully he's able to maintain fitness and be effective in his role.

Well yes I agree with this 100%. When young & with the fear of losing him to the Vic enemy I think, like we always do, we had to pay him more than he was worth. Still contributed to a premiership though.

 

[Tedeski]

I'm a Reid fan and have already stated in this thread that when fit he is in my best 22, but I just cannot agree with your view of Buddy and how you see him as anything but a great investment. The membership, merchandise sales, bums on seats, all these things have to be taken into account when weighing up if something has been a success or not.
Ted for someone how so vehemently defends our other players, I find your constant denigrating of Buddy strange to say the least.

You are 100% correct about Buddy too Jewelsy. But unlike any other player on our list & based on some of the harsh judgement & criticism put on other players on our list, I see Buddy as the one that going forward post 2017, is most to blame for the lack of depth in our list these last few years. I am happy to watch him do tricks too but he is the ONLY player now putting a strain on our cap. Not Sam Reid or Luke Parker etc, etc.
Membership was great when we had Plugger too but that changed with the fickle base when he was done.

If we are going to pull out stats for a certain period that suits the argument then I would like to see those stats pulled out for the last 3 years of his contract when he is being paid $4M.
Well less now that they will need to all take pay cuts. This Covid crisis may well allow us to be rid of his contract without having to have it part of the cap in seasons 2021 & 2022.

So I guess what I'm saying is that if we are going to be harsh on ability to get on the ground & worth to the team, then Buddy should be the first one questioned going forward because he will after all, collect a pretty penny for sitting on the sidelines for most matches & at training, given we have all been told for 2 years now that Buddy hasn't been able to train as required for two years.

But yes Buddy was awesome for 5 years Jewelsy.

 

[Bear31]

You are 100% correct about Buddy too Jewelsy. But unlike any other player on our list & based on some of the harsh judgement & criticism put on other players on our list, I see Buddy as the one that going forward post 2017, is most to blame for the lack of depth in our list these last few years. I am happy to watch him do tricks too but he is the ONLY player now putting a strain on our cap. Not Sam Reid or Luke Parker etc, etc.
Membership was great when we had Plugger too but that changed with the fickle base when he was done.

If we are going to pull out stats for a certain period that suits the argument then I would like to see those stats pulled out for the last 3 years of his contract when he is being paid $4M.
Well less now that they will need to all take pay cuts. This Covid crisis may well allow us to be rid of his contract without having to have it part of the cap in seasons 2021 & 2022.

So I guess what I'm saying is that if we are going to be harsh on ability to get on the ground & worth to the team, then Buddy should be the first one questioned going forward because he will after all, collect a pretty penny for sitting on the sidelines for most matches & at training, given we have all been told for 2 years now that Buddy hasn't been able to train as required for two years.

But yes Buddy was awesome for 5 years Jewelsy.

To be fair though. He was paid $700k for the first two years of his contract when he was in his prime. We got a bargain then and we are compensating him now. For the best (arguably) player in his position over a long period of time and match winner on many occasions, I find it hard to reconcile that he can only earn about a $million dollars a year when many AFL execs earn more. What Sport in the world other than AFL pays its executives more than their star players?

 

[brad cooper]

To be fair though. He was paid $700k for the first two years of his contract when he was in his prime. We got a bargain then and we are compensating him now. For the best (arguably) player in his position over a long period of time and match winner on many occasions, I find it hard to reconcile that he can only earn about a $million dollars a year when many AFL execs earn more. What Sport in the world other than AFL pays its executives more than their star players?

Excellent point, yep why is Gill paid so much money to
1. do whatever McGuire says
2.read out the brownlow votes
3. give us a trade ban for following the rules the AFL created.

any other CEO would have been sacked by now

 

[bungee]

coming up with new and improved ways to make a high paid forward seem handy

hes twice the price jesse white ever was and no better

Your opinion isn't backed up by Reid's 2019 output which demonstrates better than anything his current value to the team. He's only 28 so if he's fit soon after his op he could give us 3 or 4 more good years.

Despite playing a similar role to Jesse White, Reid has already collected 11 Brownlow votes, 3 bags of 6 goals and has taken >10 marks in 4 games. White played until 29 but got just the one Brownlow vote in his career, twice managed 4 goals but never took > 10 marks in a game. Reid crashes packs hard and tackles hard. White always held back, despite being a big boy, like he was afraid to scratch the ink.

Jesse White at pick 79 was still the best pickup of our crap 2006 national draft and in 2013 we traded him up for the pick 44 we used to get Aliir.

 

[bungee]

Every game Sam Reid has played since Franklin joined the Swans (6 years, ~$3m): 93 goals

Franklin's 2014 season on its own (~$1m): 79 goals

What great value Franklin is compared to the other guy, not even counting the fact that Franklin helped drive record memberships. The fact that you keep posting trolling and incorrect information is a little sad actually.

Buddy's great value but you can't compare our No1 forward with our No.3/4 forward, ruck, defender. How many goals Rampe has kicked for the money ?

 

[bungee]

Yeah, I see him as an average role player, I think the club overestimated his capabilities initially and overvalued his contract, which has led to inflated expectations on him.

In any case, can't change that now so hopefully he's able to maintain fitness and be effective in his role.

Did the club really over-estimate young Reid ? We all agree that McCartin is pretty good for such a young forward. Compare 2011 Reid with 2019 McCartin. In 2011 Reid was another very young forward in a similar role but at 20 years old he was even more impressive than McCartin is. Let's hope Tom can become the player that Sam might have been.

Sam Reid and Tom McCartin AFL Stats Comparison

Sam Reid and Tom McCartin AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

 

[bungee]

Sad that you always wack buddy every opportunity

Let’s be honest and you should know because you know most players figures that Reid hasn’t been Hard done By in terms of dollar and years

Sad that you always wack buddy Reid every opportunity

Pot. Kettle. Black.

 

[bungee]

It's great that we've all got something to argue about during the great time waste but the whole Buddy, Reid value arguments are a bit meaningless if we only look back.

Think of the $$$$ clubs would have paid for Daniher at the end of 2017 ? Turns out he was worth very little of his contract and will be worth even less if he can't get some time on the park this year.

The bottom line is clubs have to pay players based on predicted future output. If Dustin Martin struggles with niggles next season even his value could plummet if clubs thought he might not have much left.

We're all a bit shell-shocked when a club great is not offered a new contract. It's not what they've achieved, it's what clubs believe they can still achieve that counts.

Who's likely to contribute the most value (bang for buck) to the team (overall) in the next few years, Buddy or Reid ? For the money left on his contract we ought to hope it's Buddy but even better if both play out their contracts. Personally I think Reid represents potentially more value for the remainder of their contracts.

No-one could deny that Buddy wasn't a massive gamble on our part and one that could have seen the club derided by some of our fans, not to mention fans from other clubs. As it turns out I think we've already recouped much of his outlay but it would be good to see additional value from the tail of the contract.

 

[Kennedy Parker]

Did the club really over-estimate young Reid ? We all agree that McCartin is pretty good for such a young forward. Compare 2011 Reid with 2019 McCartin. In 2011 Reid was another very young forward in a similar role but at 20 years old he was even more impressive than McCartin is. Let's hope Tom can become the player that Sam might have been.

Sam Reid and Tom McCartin AFL Stats Comparison

Sam Reid and Tom McCartin AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

IIRC Reid played 1 game in 2010, then a promising season in 2011, then was a role player in the 2012 premiership before signing a big 5 year deal. So effectively he played 2 seasons and then got offered a long term contract on decent coin which I think is probably an overvaluation. Tom is being renewed on a rolling basis and we're periodically reassessing his value based on his progress.

And statistically I think its apples and oranges because Tom plays in an eda where our main forward is Buddy Franklin while in Reid's early years the other tall forward was Goodes. Goodesy will push up into the midfield regularly at stages during the game so Reid gets to be the focus up forward. McCartin never consistently had that opportunity. Naturally, Reid would have better forward statistics than McCartin.

 

[The King!]

You've been "trolling" this forum for quite a while then if you classify my posting as trolling.
Very rarely do you have much good to say about the club. You seem ashamed of it actually.

Reid can only be what his body allows him to be. Reid has one more p'ship as a Swan than Buddy has.

Reid could retire if his body can’t cope

he has continually accepted long term large contracts so how about we judge him on what we see

you put one player above the club

 

[The King!]

Your opinion isn't backed up by Reid's 2019 output which demonstrates better than anything his current value to the team. He's only 28 so if he's fit soon after his op he could give us 3 or 4 more good years.

Despite playing a similar role to Jesse White, Reid has already collected 11 Brownlow votes, 3 bags of 6 goals and has taken >10 marks in 4 games. White played until 29 but got just the one Brownlow vote in his career, twice managed 4 goals but never took > 10 marks in a game. Reid crashes packs hard and tackles hard. White always held back, despite being a big boy, like he was afraid to scratch the ink.

Jesse White at pick 79 was still the best pickup of our crap 2006 national draft and in 2013 we traded him up for the pick 44 we used to get Aliir.

your Reid claims are mostly just spurious and subjective things like he crashes packs hard and tackles hard, what do you measure this by? white hung back? Again this is just fluff

Reid barley gets near the ball then I can go with that, doesn’t crash packs and if he does he gets hurt

Reid’s 2019 output? What about it ? His own club didn’t rate it , despite playing every game he didn’t crack the top 10 In the best and fairest at a bottom 4 club. Not even the coaches support the idea it was good output, interesting your only argument against white comparisons was the 2019 year??

he is only 28? He is closer to the end ? Which key forwards improve from 29 onwards? Because he is injured at the moment so probably won’t play if we return soo

Brownlow votes and a few cherry picked stats like 10 mark games in total? Why don’t we just compare the career

disposals ave Reid 11 white 10 marks 4 each goals white 1.2 Reid 1.1? Because cherry picking is the only way to tell the difference?

white did go at 29 correct so will reid if the club has any sense

 

[BloodySwan]

Reid is on "greater than $500k" per year. He's in the highest 20% of players wages. He hasn't lived up to his wage but it's not like he's the highest paid player in our team. Should be about the 8th best paid player in our club. I can understand why the club would offer 500k to a key forward.

 

[scaryness]

5th oldest player on the roster and still waiting for the breakout season