Player Watch #20 Sam Reid

[Kennedy Parker]

Sam Reid

Sam Reid

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Sam Reid

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

’s outstanding athleticism and strong contested grab make him a genuine threat inside 50. The 2012 premiership forward showed exactly that when he booted six goals in the Sydney Swans’ clash with Collingwood in Mark Grook at the SCG to win the 2019 Goodes-O’Loughlin Medal. The 2009 draftee can also play as a loose man in defence or pinch-hit in the ruck. Reid has had very little luck on the injury front in his time in red and white, but he didn’t miss an AFL match in 2019. He’s played 143 career games at the top level for a return of 154 goals.

Sam Reid

20

Sam Reid

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

DOB: 27 December 1991
DEBUT: 2010
DRAFT: #38, 2009 National Draft
RECRUITED FROM: Wangaratta Rovers (Vic)/Murray U18

Sam Reid | AFL

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[DST]

You pay players what they are worth. If you have a young/shit team, you would front load contracts. **** paying overs, you would just front load contracts so that when the team develops you have a war chest to get a Danger/Martin/etc... to polish off the list.

If someone is getting payed 500K per season over 4 years (2 million in total), you dont need to pay them 500k per year in the AFL. you could pay them 1 million in their first year, the rest over the final years for example. There is an art to list management.

Agree, I didn't say that was the only method to manage the cap but the reality is that we are seeing a one off 25% increase in the cap next year and teams are going to struggle to use it or throw that around at free agents.

We need to adjust our mindset that what was once a $500k player is now a $600k player under the new deal.

Doesn't mean they are a better player or less injured, the reality is that there is now a sh@t load more money that has to be spent on players and all players will want a piece of it.


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[Bloody]

You pay players what they are worth. If you have a young/shit team, you would front load contracts. **** paying overs, you would just front load contracts so that when the team develops you have a war chest to get a Danger/Martin/etc... to polish off the list.

If someone is getting payed 500K per season over 4 years (2 million in total), you dont need to pay them 500k per year in the AFL. you could pay them 1 million in their first year, the rest over the final years for example. There is an art to list management. ****, you could pay them 1.8 million the first year and 200K over the next 3 years.

Basically, the AFL does not have a minimum wage per year as long as it is satisfied over a contract period.

How much say do players have over these structures though? No way i'd want that structure

Assume it's in contract and any changes need an amendment to the contract


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[doona]

Agree, I didn't say that was the only method to manage the cap but the reality is that we are seeing a one off 25% increase in the cap next year and teams are going to struggle to use it or throw that around at free agents.

We need to adjust our mindset that what was once a $500k player is now a $600k player under the new deal.

Doesn't mean they are a better player or less injured, the reality is that there is now a sh@t load more money that has to be spent on players and all players will want a piece of it.


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If players want more than they are worth, I say let them chase the money. A cap increase does mean more money, but that money is divided over a team, not 1 out of contract player. If a player like Reid wants to cash in, good riddance.

 

[doona]

How much say do players have over these structures though? No way i'd want that structure

Assume it's in contract and any changes need an amendment to the contract


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It would be an awesome pay structure. for example if you where on a 4 year contract with a total of 2 million over the period.

1.7 million the first year, 100k after that.

If you had half a brain you would put the 1.7 Million (or 1.2 million) of that in a guaranteed interest account and you would earn a lot more over the 4 year period. A ridiculous amount more. Therefore the player would earn a lot more money that is not in the salary cap.

Back ending contracts is where it is dangerous.

So would you be against earning more money over a 4 year period because you had to manage your finances?

edit: Or you could buy a house straight up, so never pay rent, never pay a home loan and you just need to live on a measly 100K+ per year.......

 

[Bloody]

It would be an awesome pay structure. for example if you where on a 4 year contract with a total of 2 million over the period.

1.7 million the first year, 100k after that.

If you had half a brain you would put the 1.7 Million (or 1.2 million) of that in a guaranteed interest account and you would earn a lot more over the 4 year period. A ridiculous amount more. Therefore the player would earn a lot more money that is not in the salary cap.

Back ending contracts is where it is dangerous.

So would you be against earning more money over a 4 year period because you had to manage your finances?

edit: Or you could buy a house straight up, so never pay rent, never pay a home loan and you just need to live on a measly 100K+ per year.......

More from a tax perspective is my complaint. I don't think any has an issue with a lump sum of cash


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[doona]

More from a tax perspective is my complaint. I don't think any has an issue with a lump sum of cash


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Depending on the tax brackets you fell into, you could be right.

Though, players front loading contracts would have smarter people than me working out the benefits.

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[Tedeski]

Agree, but equally people need to adjust to a $12.45m total salary cap next year.

There will be average pay packets of $470K next year so $600K for mid age injury prone key forwards will be the norm.

We have to accept that now.

Or not!

 

[Tedeski]

Remembering that to get someone that CAN make a difference as a match winner, we need to get aggressive with our list & thus far, though as exciting as sam Reid has seemed he hasn't been the answer at 500k per season, due to injury or whatever other reason.

 

[db swannie]

That new money is going to be needed as well for the likes of Zac Jones and Allir, Heyward, who clubs are going to come after.

Remember the old saying, you can't keep them all!

 

[MarkP]

People earning uneven and irregular income like entertainers, sportsmen and farmers get to average their income over a rolling period.

Helps them and also the ATO so the taxpayer doesn't get smashed for that one great year and also so they don't arrange their affairs around a known great year.

But of course when you are talking top end contracts all pretty moot. They are well over the top tax bracket anyway so averaging does little in the peak years.

 

[Kapanis]

I'm not going to bag Reid here, simply because I think he's tried his best, but has been injury plagued. And he's still well and truly one of ours...and I remember that goal he kicked in the 2012 GF...It was GOOD.

If you read my comments (of which most have been erased) re Reid you'll see I rarely bag him, in fact the opposite

 

[db swannie]

If you read my comments (of which most have been erased) re Reid you'll see I rarely bag him, in fact the opposite

I wasn't speaking about anyone in particular. It was just a general comment.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Reid on the field is worth every bit of $800k under the proposed new CBA and will get it, probably from the Swans.

 

[Punts]

Reid on the field is worth every bit of $800k under the proposed new CBA and will get it, probably from the Swans.

Your taking the piss correct ?

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Your taking the piss correct ?

No I'm not. I'm merely applying a formula based on supply, demand, exhibited value, and spending power.

 

[Dan87]

Swans can't spend that much on a guy that goes missing, isn't durable, plays as a decoy even if they might one day kick 60 in a season

However, a Melbourne club can pay that for a shot at a #1 forward and something to keep their members hopeful

 

[doona]

No I'm not. I'm merely applying a formula

You must have been really bad at maths. I don't think your formula is any good.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

You must have been really bad at maths. I don't think your formula is any good.

So tell me what value you place on key forwards. I'd be fascinated to know. Which key forward would you recruit to replace Reid? How much would you pay for him.

 

[doona]

So tell me what value you place on key forwards. I'd be fascinated to know. Which key forward would you recruit to replace Reid? How much would you pay for him.

800K+ I would be expecting a forward like Kennedy/Franklin/T.Lynch/Cameron... Not a Reid. Reid is not in the top echelon of forwards which is what an 800K+ player needs to be.

Reid, I would pay maybe 600K per year but realistically I don't even think he is worth that much.

 

[MarkP]

What was Boyd on $750k or so? For a long time as well yeh?

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

800K+ I would be expecting a forward like Kennedy/Franklin/T.Lynch/Cameron... Not a Reid. Reid is not in the top echelon of forwards which is what an 800K+ player needs to be.

Reid, I would pay maybe 600K per year but realistically I don't even think he is worth that much.

Cameron is on $1 million. Franklin $1 million. Lynch $800k. Not sure what Kennedy's on. Tippett's on $800k. Vickery's on $500k. Patton's on $900k. These contracts were all written under the current CBA. The new CBA is expected to have an uplift of 20%. If you're comparing those contracts $800k for Lynch v $600k for Reid then Reid's value under that is $720k. But that would be if life was fair. But it's not. Most of the uplift will go towards the higher end contracted players. Reid, by virtue of his size and position, is one of those higher end contract type players. There simply aren't as many decent key forwards as there are midfielders.

The market will pay Reid $800k. I hope he'll stay for $700k.

Players coming out of contract this year will do especially well out of the rise because clubs will be prepared to splash cash to recruit them.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

What was Boyd on $750k or so? For a long time as well yeh?

Boyd's on about $900k.

 

[doona]

The market will pay Reid $800k. I hope he'll stay for $700k.

Clubs pay ridiculous amounts to lure talent from other clubs. For example is Kelly worth 1 million per year that North are offering? No way. Or T. Boyd worth what the dogs are paying? Not a chance. But to lure players clubs will pay way overs. Similar to us with Franklin & Tippett for example.

Is Mayne worth 500K (source http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/chr...t/news-story/75a42538ceaf221b316ebfab0b938ab6) per year because Collingwood idiotically paid that?? No way. He is getting that cash somehow.

Note: I would be really surprised if GWS are paying Cameron & Patton 1.9 million of their salary cap. Do you have any proof for any of the salaries that you listed or are they pulled from thin air?

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Clubs pay ridiculous amounts to lure talent from other clubs. For example is Kelly worth 1 million per year that North are offering? No way. Or T. Boyd worth what the dogs are paying? Not a chance. But to lure players clubs will pay way overs. Similar to us with Franklin & Tippett for example.

Is Mayne worth 500K (source http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/chr...t/news-story/75a42538ceaf221b316ebfab0b938ab6) per year because Collingwood idiotically paid that?? No way. He is getting that cash somehow.

Note: I would be really surprised if GWS are paying Cameron & Patton 1.9 million of their salary cap. Do you have any proof for any of the salaries that you listed or are they pulled from thin air?

Kelly. No. Boyd. Absolutely. Mayne. No (I can't flipping believe that one).

Cameron's salary was reported in the media. Patton was reported to have been offered $900k prior to re-signing with GWS. Best I (or anyone for that matter) can do in terms of accuracy.

The Swans will need to make a decision as to whether they defend offers for Reid which will be $800k+ offers. In making that decision they will need to look at the options for replacing him. I suspect they will consider Tippett to be easier to replace for a cheaper price and will trade him out and keep Reid at the inflated price.

 

[MarkP]

Think Boyd is worth it.

Actually turned up to a grand final