2003 Squad preview, by me ****

[DaveW]

Originally posted by macca23
He's always done well on Jonathon Brown who is a fair player.

Port fans don't rate Brown either.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by DaveW
Port fans don't rate Brown either.

Wrong. We all rate Jon Brown. We just laugh at the fact that some people think hes better than Tredrea!

 

[Macca19]

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Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Kenny rarely get beaten - you can't ask more than that. You (along with some other Port supporters) just seem to hate him for some reason & don't have a balanced opinion based on how he plays (IMO).

I reckon Kennys come on a lot this year. Hes not the best or prettiest CHB going around but he does his job most weeks and you cant ask for more than that really.

Come on this is like asking who got the better out of the Chalmers - Downsborough deal. Both are crap players. Crows should do the right thing & delist Schell at the end of the year. If Port don't do the same with Cain, that's your own stupidity

Cain is still only 21 and has been unlucky with injuries. In the games hes played this year hes was BOG twice, in the best another 2 times and out of the best players only once. May have turned the corner? Id be keeping him as backup in any case.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

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Originally posted by Macca19
Cain is still only 21 and has been unlucky with injuries. In the games hes played this year hes was BOG twice, in the best another 2 times and out of the best players only once. May have turned the corner? Id be keeping him as backup in any case.

Fair enough I suppose as big men need more time to develop. Still reckon my carton of beer is looking safe that Cain won't become an All-Australian ruckman.

 

[Port01]

Originally posted by macca23
He's always done well on Jonathon Brown who is a fair player.

Brown is a fair player yeah, although hasn't played against the crows since last year when his games against the crows were about average for him. Lynch has kicked 19 goals in your last 3 meetings though, and someone who is one of the best tall defenders in the league should at least get a chance to stop him. I don't recall it happening though. (which may just be Ayres' reluctance to make changes, rather than a lack of confidence in McGregor).

The top line tall defenders get the top forward every week, regardless of FB/CHB. Kenny rarely does which means he doesn't get the respect for being anything more than a solid defender. I am assuming Ayres will give him the job on the resting ruckman again this week.

 

[Asgardian]

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Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
I agree you would appear to be ahead on the Bode - JnrB trade as Bodey has been very disappointing this year. Not completely one-sided though.

I guess I'm looking say 10 years down the track. The best I can envisage for Bode is that he was a good team player. The best I can envisage for Shaun Burgoyne is that he was one of the stars of the game. I know, judgements on potential is risky, but what the hey, we are talking footy here.

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Kenny rarely gets beaten - you can't ask more than that. You (along with some other Port supporters) just seem to hate him for some reason & don't have a balanced opinion based on how he plays (IMO).

Okay, lets have a go at this issue
Port supporters accepted for several seasons a totally negative CHB, Darren Mead, so that aint the problem.
In McGregor I see a player that could, if he tried his guts out, dominate a key forward position. I believe he is a very skillful player who, for whatever reason, seems content to be just a part of the playing squad. A guy like Ken should strive to be a team leader, a team champion, I just do not see him working his guts out to go those extra yards.
To me a wasted talent is the most horrible sight you can see on a footy field.
Have a look at Heuskes, Barrie Robran (injury), Tony Antrobus, Josh Mail, John Klug (injury), Adam Saliba, Nick Pesch and so many more. They all could have been so much more than what they were satisfied with, they were all wasted talents.
You see kids out on the field, bursting their guts to play, you can see they don't have that champion spark, but you can see 100000000% determination, but when you see a kid, who has all the ability under the sun, but is lazy or scared or whatever, it is enough to make you wanna grab the kid, and slap some sense into him.
Ken looks like a kid who is too scared to be a champion, and personally, that attitude absolutely S H I T S me.

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Come on this is like asking who got the better out of the Chalmers - Downsborough deal. Both are crap players. Crows should do the right thing & delist Schell at the end of the year. If Port don't do the same with Cain, that's your own stupidity

Again with the abuse, has this showdown got under your collective skins????
Anyway, I think Cain could be a halfway reasonable third tall forward, he filled that role in a couple of Power games, looked okay

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Your eyesight must be going, as Shirley's skills have surprsised me, particularly in the wet when he has thrived as compared to some bigger name players. He has usually got as much of the ball as his big name opponent he has a run-with role on. Don't form your opinions on reputation, but rather watching the game.

You must know my optician, he is talking about corrective eye laser surgery, I'm contemplating cowardice, and running like hell ....

Lets talk facts about Robert Shirley, he has played 10 games so far this year, he has averaged 11.2 possessions per game, it does not sound like he is getting as much of the ball, as the top notch player he is shadowing.

These are facts Kane Macca, not guesswork, and they merely back up my own opinion, which has been derived from watching many games of footy, with failing eyesight........

 

[Asgardian]

Originally posted by DaveW
Port fans don't rate Brown either.

Oh no Dave, Jon Brown is a player I'd have at Port in an instant.

I think Tredrea is the better player, but that doesn't detract from Brown at all.

Sorry about marrying you off, would you like some phone numbers for prospective wives?

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Asgardian
Sorry about marrying you off, would you like some phone numbers for prospective wives?

Oooh, please.

 

[DaveW]

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Originally posted by Asgardian
Barrie Robran (injury), [et al] They all could have been so much more than what they were satisfied with, they were all wasted talents.

I wonder what the many North supporters on this site would have to say about that!

(I assume you mean Matty? )

 

[Leigh Roy]

That always happens, the moments of pure stupidity can't be fully erased as they get quoted and therefore set in stone.

Beautiful to watch.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Leigh
That always happens, the moments of pure stupidity can't be fully erased as they get quoted and therefore set in stone.

Beautiful to watch.

I did that deliberately.

If someone else reads my reply and the original post has since been edited, and there's no remaining quote of the mistake, it makes things confusing.

 

[Asgardian]

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Originally posted by DaveW
I wonder what the many North supporters on this site would have to say about that!

(I assume you mean Matty? )

No Dave, I mean Barrie, IMO his talent was wasted because of a terrible knee injury.
That bloke could play like a master craftsman, with every chance of getting more Magareys.

To see him hobble around in his last few games was horrible, you could almost see his brain worked so much faster than the other players, but that leg just couldn't get him to the ball.

So yep, I reckon Barrie was a wasted talent, because of injury in his case.

 

[Leigh Roy]

AHA.

 

[DaveW]

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Originally posted by Asgardian
No Dave, I mean Barrie, IMO his talent was wasted because of a terrible knee injury.
That bloke could play like a master craftsman, with every chance of getting more Magareys.

To see him hobble around in his last few games was horrible, you could almost see his brain worked so much faster than the other players, but that leg just couldn't get him to the ball.

So yep, I reckon Barrie was a wasted talent, because of injury in his case.

It's still a bit much to lump him in with all those other blokes isn't it?

He still got 200 games out of himself and remains a champion of the game (in SA at least).

Can you really say that Barrie Robran "could have been so much more than he was satisfied with"?

 

[Asgardian]

Originally posted by DaveW


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Originally posted by Asgardian
Sorry about marrying you off, would you like some phone numbers for prospective wives?
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Oooh, please.

Sorry Dave, you sound a little too keen & eager

The girls may be in danger in your presence, after all, that animal crow magnetism is just too much of an irresistible lure for the church going virgins that I know...............

 

[Asgardian]

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Originally posted by DaveW
It's still a bit much to lump him in with all those other blokes isn't it?

He still got 200 games out of himself and remains a champion of the game (in SA at least).

Can you really say that Barrie Robran "could have been so much more than he was satisfied with"?

Yep, fair call, I stand corrected

I was clumsy in my attempt to say more than just attitude can ruin a career

Barrie Robran was a champion, whose career was wrecked by injury

John Klug was a good player, whose career was wrecked by injury

The others I mentioned wrecked their own careers through stupidity & poor attitude

 

[marvin]

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Originally posted by Asgardian

In McGregor I see a player that could, if he tried his guts out, dominate a key forward position. I believe he is a very skillful player who, for whatever reason, seems content to be just a part of the playing squad.

I don't really see how this tallies with your earlier assessment of Kenny as a hack. Surely if a hack turns himself into a competent team role player, that's maximizing his ability?

I agree with your general sentiment of abhorence for those who waste their talents, but my assessment of McGregor is that we've got a player with moderate (not great) pace, good hands, and as slow from brain to hand or foot as any player we've got, and I just can't see the skilful, potentially dominant key forward that you do.