Draft Review 2005 - Redo the 2005 Draft

[Keystone agony]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

Stats.

Priddis is good but Swallow is a better player.

But...... how so?

Must remember you Victorians see a whole lot more of Swallow than Priddis. I probably agree that Swallow is a better player but its hard when looking for a reason why. Impact on games? umpires certainly haven't seen it that way with Priddis in the last 2 years polling extremely well. Both got the most votes for the B&F this year and Priddis was playing for the much better side.

Whos done more? Swallow probably only had 2 real good years (last 2), Priddis has been good for 5 years now.

 

[Spitta09]

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But...... how so?

Must remember you Victorians see a whole lot more of Swallow than Priddis. I probably agree that Swallow is a better player but its hard when looking for a reason why. Impact on games? umpires certainly haven't seen it that way with Priddis in the last 2 years polling extremely well. Both got the most votes for the B&F this year and Priddis was playing for the much better side.

Whos done more? Swallow probably only had 2 real good years (last 2), Priddis has been good for 5 years now.

Swallow has been good for at least 3 years now. Won our B&F 2009 and 2011. Plus AA top 40 last two years.
You are right there probably isn't a lot between them but i would say Swallow has more class about him.
I think the best of Swallow is still to come, being a few years younger than Priddis as well.

 

[Keystone agony]

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Swallow has been good for at least 3 years now. Won our B&F 2009 and 2011. Plus AA top 40 last two years.
You are right there probably isn't a lot between them but i would say Swallow has more class about him.
I think the best of Swallow is still to come, being a few years younger than Priddis as well.

Yeah i guess it depends on whether you are basing the draft on what they have done so far in their careers (Priddis before Swallow) or if they were to be redrafted all these 2005 players what would the order be (Swallow before Priddis).

Closer than people give it credit for though. Swallow looks like he is still improving and has more upside.

 

[Sin City]

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But...... how so?

Must remember you Victorians see a whole lot more of Swallow than Priddis. I probably agree that Swallow is a better player but its hard when looking for a reason why. Impact on games? umpires certainly haven't seen it that way with Priddis in the last 2 years polling extremely well. Both got the most votes for the B&F this year and Priddis was playing for the much better side.

Whos done more? Swallow probably only had 2 real good years (last 2), Priddis has been good for 5 years now.

Since when was I Victorian? I hate the Kangaroos and like West Coast a lot more but I can still see that Swallow is a better player than Priddis.

 

[qldbluesman_43]

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Kieran Jack seriously underrated here. He's just about Sydney's best midfielder. Deserves to be top 10 definitely. I would pick him over all but Pendlebury, Murphy, Thomas, Kennedy. It'd be a toss of a coin choosing between Jack and Swallow or Priddis to take out positions 5-7 for me.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

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Swallow is better because Priddis doesn't have his hawt face.

I havnt been a Priddis fan but he just gets better with age.

 

[liz]

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Kieran Jack seriously underrated here. He's just about Sydney's best midfielder. Deserves to be top 10 definitely. I would pick him over all but Pendlebury, Murphy, Thomas, Kennedy. It'd be a toss of a coin choosing between Jack and Swallow or Priddis to take out positions 5-7 for me.

I think that this thread is still a tad early in players' careers to be ranking a lot of them. Some have had just one excellent season (Jack and Vince are two examples). Jack was sensational last year but failed to back that up in 2011. A nasty ankle injury fairly early in the season is a valid explanation of why he didn't back it up, but he needs another couple of seasons at the 2010 level before he clearly sits amongst the best of his draft year. At this stage, both Swallow and Priddis have produced their top form more often (ie for more seasons) than Jack so they deserve to be ranked above him. But his best is probably on a par with their best.

A year ago people (especially Pies fans) were carping on about how Pendlebury was head and shoulders above Murphy and the clear number one from that draft. This was despite it being common knowledge that Murphy had had almost no pre-season and probably carried his hip injury into the 2010 season. And yet now I think most would agree that in 2011 they were neck and neck. We need a few more seasons to see who is capable of sustaining close to top form over an extended period of time before really assessing who the absolute cream of the draft are.

 

[WSPHU]

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Essendon should have traded Ryder 2 years ago when he had more currency. Only reason that he was ranked so high originally was because Sheedy said that he is similar to Buddy. In reality, they are nothing alike. He doesn't have the hunger nor the arrogance that Buddy possesses and that to me is vital in a champion.

I think that in time, Kennedy could end up the pick of the bunch. Good KPF are much harder to come across than mids. Pendles, Murphy, Thomas, Swallow and Priddis are all great players though.

Clark can be a very good player, but is a Ruckman, not a Forward...similar to Ryder. Problem is that they are both slightly under sized.

 

[Prem87]

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Very solid draft.

 

[Slattery_20]

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Paddy Ryder has to be top 10 without a second thought the second best tall from this draft behind Kennedy.

Also dont think Jack is getting his due course. He is considered better than Vince for me. Id pick him ahead of Vince anyday if i re did the draft now. Had an injury interrupted season and people tend to remember the last season the most but he had a superb season the year before.

Are you really a Port supporter? Not even listed Essendon as a second team?

 

[Smyth94]

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Paddy Ryder has really slid down people's lists from three years ago. Hasn't kicked on like most expected.

1. Pendlebury
2. Murphy/Thomas
4. Kennedy
5. Swallow

For mine.

Amazing what a 5 week run of bad games, beat up by the Herald Sun can do to the general public's perception of a player.

 

[Powered Up]

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Essendon should have traded Ryder 2 years ago when he had more currency. Only reason that he was ranked so high originally was because Sheedy said that he is similar to Buddy. In reality, they are nothing alike. He doesn't have the hunger nor the arrogance that Buddy possesses and that to me is vital in a champion.

Has somebody got a gun to your head? To say this must be held hostage by someone, Ryder is one of the most picked on players in the AFL, yet has excellent skills, could have the best from all the ruckmen, has some def tap work happening, can shut down J Brown a few years back, this year Cloke for 3/4 until the pot fell of the stove, Kicks more goals than any other ruckman forward in the league.
Judged wrong because people judge upside from the type of body they have, not what they have between the ears.
Upside comes from something being understood by the brain and then being able to act upon it, when it clicks for Ryder he will be electrifying.

 

[00Stinger]

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Amazing what a 5 week run of bad games, beat up by the Herald Sun can do to the general public's perception of a player.

It's funny what a few good games can do to over value your importance to your supporters

 

[WSPHU]

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Has somebody got a gun to your head? To say this must be held hostage by someone, Ryder is one of the most picked on players in the AFL, yet has excellent skills, could have the best from all the ruckmen, has some def tap work happening, can shut down J Brown a few years back, this year Cloke for 3/4 until the pot fell of the stove, Kicks more goals than any other ruckman forward in the league.
Judged wrong because people judge upside from the type of body they have, not what they have between the ears.
Upside comes from something being understood by the brain and then being able to act upon it, when it clicks for Ryder he will be electrifying.

You fail to mention that he had 9 goals kicked on him by Buddy (twice). I watch every Essendon game and I have only once seen him win us a game. That was ANZAC day when Hille went down early. In saying that, he rucked against Josh Fraser, who is arguably the worst listed ruckman in the league. Also, in the return bout later in the year, Frazer killed Ryder.

Ryder to me will never be more than a bits player. He doesn't have what it takes between the ears to be a champion. I am happy to be proven wrong, but if you look at his development in 6 years on an AFL list, you can see that he won't ever become something special....which is a shame!

 

[Slattery_20]

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Has somebody got a gun to your head? To say this must be held hostage by someone, Ryder is one of the most picked on players in the AFL, yet has excellent skills, could have the best from all the ruckmen, has some def tap work happening, can shut down J Brown a few years back, this year Cloke for 3/4 until the pot fell of the stove, Kicks more goals than any other ruckman forward in the league.
Judged wrong because people judge upside from the type of body they have, not what they have between the ears.
Upside comes from something being understood by the brain and then being able to act upon it, when it clicks for Ryder he will be electrifying.

I don't know where this perception that he's suddenly inconsistent, or dropped off, has come from, he's pretty much been at the same level for 3 years.
Handy ruck, not quite top notch, but adds something (pace away from the contest & skills with the ball) quite literally no-one else does. Certainly that bad patch has been blown out of all proportion.
Hopefully getting over his little troubles this year gives him a bit of confidence in himself.

Ryder was good or very good in every game after round 14. Good in round 12, <bad patch>, good in round 6, rounds 1-3.
Bellchambers came into the side in round 2 and basically stayed until round 14 and Hille was playing 2nd ruck in a lot of those games, relegating Ryder to third crack.
So, it boils down to - ruckman not played as ruckman fails to have impact.
Shock horror.

 

[Jade]

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No to the squib at one.

Murphy is harder and a lot more in and under than Pendlebury.

Errrrr...... huh?

 

[Powered Up]

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You fail to mention that he had 9 goals kicked on him by Buddy (twice). I watch every Essendon game and I have only once seen him win us a game. That was ANZAC day when Hille went down early. In saying that, he rucked against Josh Fraser, who is arguably the worst listed ruckman in the league. Also, in the return bout later in the year, Frazer killed Ryder.

Ryder to me will never be more than a bits player. He doesn't have what it takes between the ears to be a champion. I am happy to be proven wrong, but if you look at his development in 6 years on an AFL list, you can see that he won't ever become something special....which is a shame!

you would have slaughter Goddard if he was a Bomber player, Watts must be glad he is at Melbourne, at least they stick up for their guys.

Essendon supporter turning on their own player, nothing new.
Why because you think he won't be a champion.
I would hate to see what you have said about players like Watson, Hocking, Crameri who all took a while to get up and going.
Myers would have copped a fair old wack by you aswell I guess.

I will tell you the way Hird and Bomber have stuck by him, they will get the best out of him, Like the Bomber / Ottens thing, His best may not be champion quality, but will put him in your top 5 players, and if it is champion quality his price range would be like the Louis Vuitton variety.

 

[BlackCaviar]

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Amazing what a 5 week run of bad games, beat up by the Herald Sun can do to the general public's perception of a player.

bombers fans I'm part of that public's perception of Ryder
what's his result's in the bombers B and F over the last 3 years?
coz I might be wrong but it could tell a story from the clubs rating too

 

[yaco55]

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bombers fans I'm part of that public's perception of Ryder
what's his result's in the bombers B and F over the last 3 years?
coz I might be wrong but it could tell a story from the clubs rating too

Best results in the B and F

4th in 2009
7th/8th 2010/2011.

Needs a break out season and finish Top 3.

 

[WSPHU]

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you would have slaughter Goddard if he was a Bomber player, Watts must be glad he is at Melbourne, at least they stick up for their guys.

Essendon supporter turning on their own player, nothing new.
Why because you think he won't be a champion.
I would hate to see what you have said about players like Watson, Hocking, Crameri who all took a while to get up and going.
Myers would have copped a fair old wack by you aswell I guess.

I will tell you the way Hird and Bomber have stuck by him, they will get the best out of him, Like the Bomber / Ottens thing, His best may not be champion quality, but will put him in your top 5 players, and if it is champion quality his price range would be like the Louis Vuitton variety.

I am actually not a player bagger. I am simply stating that Ryder was an over-hyped draft pick that everybody is expecting to become a Champion of the club. This will not happen.

 

[jabbers]

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Thought I'd have a crack at the Top 20 as I see them:
1 Scott Pendlebury (5)
2 Mark Murphy (1)
3 Andrew Swallow (43)
4 Dale Thomas
5 Josh Kennedy (4)
6 Grant Birchall (14)
7 Patrick Ryder (7)
8 Nathan Jones(12)
9 Bernie Vince (32)
10 Shaun Higgins (11)
11 Shannon Hurn (13)
12 Travis Varcoe (15)
13 Richard Douglas (16
14 Samuel Gilbert (33)
15 Mitchell Clark (9)
16 Courtenay Dempsey (19)
17 Garrick Ibbotson (26)
18 Mathew Stokes (61)
19 Trent West (31)
20 Dylan Addison (27)

 

[00Stinger]

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Thought I'd have a crack at the Top 20 as I see them:
1 Scott Pendlebury (5)
2 Mark Murphy (1)
3 Andrew Swallow (43)
4 Dale Thomas
5 Josh Kennedy (4)
6 Grant Birchall (14)
7 Patrick Ryder (7)
8 Nathan Jones(12)
9 Bernie Vince (32)
10 Shaun Higgins (11)
11 Shannon Hurn (13)
12 Travis Varcoe (15)
13 Richard Douglas (16
14 Samuel Gilbert (33)
15 Mitchell Clark (9)
16 Courtenay Dempsey (19)
17 Garrick Ibbotson (26)
18 Mathew Stokes (61)
19 Trent West (31)
20 Dylan Addison (27)

Not bad.

I would swap Thomas to 5 and move Kennedy to 4.
Clark would move up to 11, Higgins drops and Hurn goes to 10.

 

[Rustin Cohle]

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Hurn is better than Ryder, Jones, Vince and Higgins. Mitch Clark should be above Sam Gilbert.

 

[jabbers]

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Hurn is better than Ryder, Jones, Vince and Higgins. Mitch Clark should be above Sam Gilbert.

I just rate KPP and ball winning mids higher than back pocket/half back types. I'm not sure Clark's record is better than Gilbert's. He played a decent year as a mobile ruck, but not much else.

 

[Slattery_20]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

7 & a bit seasons down the track, only 13 hundred-gamers out of this draft:

Stokes
Bartram
Patfull
Swallow
Gilbert
Varcoe
Birchall
Hurn
Nathan Jones
Ryder
Pendles
Thomas
Murphy


Getting close:
Ibbotson
Josh Kennedy (Carl/WCE)
Higgins
Clark
Douglas
Vince
Alipate Carlile