2006 ladder

[Stiffy_18]

Pity it wasn't golf training!

 

[Damien_R1]

Pity it wasn't golf training!

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

That cracked me up when I read that !

 

[PowerKop]

Pity it wasn't golf training!

Have to admit that is champagne comedy.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Yeah see Jars, he was wrong. Who's the mental midget now. Anyway I'm off to cricket training. See ya later on tonight.

We can't compete with this guy, he's good.

 

[PowerKop]

We can't compete with this guy, he's good.

And it took u this long to realise. Hallelulia!

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

I think Adelaide will be about 6-10 on the ladder in 06. I think next season they will make the finals...fresh start, new coach, new gameplan, young players. Will shock and surprise many teams and finish in 7th spot for the finals. Will win the first week then get knocked out in the semis. I think in 06 tho that you will fall back a little bit...probably 9th. Roo, Hart, Stevens, Mcleod, Goodwin all on their last legs.

Its an important transition for your club at the moment. Most of your best players are on the verge of retirement. To become a premiership threat in 3-6 years time you nerf to replace those stars with new superstars (the likes of Johncock and Watts could be those) and then find quite a number of players to go to the level that Mcgregor, Johncock, Goodwin are at now. If some of these players dont come on as expected then you could spend quite a few years down in the "nothing range" of 6-12.

Port...I think we are a genuine chacne at the premiership again next year and a small chance the year after. The next two years are very important for our club as well. 06 will see an almost 100% changeover in our defence. Wakelin, Bishop, Monty, Wanganeen will need to be replaced by Gilham, Chaplin, Pettigrew, Symes. The likes of James, Wilson, Primus and Lade will be on the edge of retirement as well. We have the young talent to stay at or near the top for the next 5-6 years but 06 is important. Im expecting us to drop off in 06 to that 6-10 period as well as our defence and half our midfield goes thru that transition but i think if all goes well we could be a strong premiership chance around 08-09 as well.

Overall

Adelaide - 9th 10 wins
Port 8th. 11 wins

I agree, you will be a good chance in 2005 ( will probably win it ) and will be around the mark in 2006, but 5-6 years, your dreaming. Considering 12 of your first 22 will be over 28 in 2005 ( Bishop, Wilson, Wangas, Monty, Kinglsey, Wakelin, Pickett, Lade, Primus, Francou, James and Walsh ) where's all this young talent coming from?
Surely your not including Pettigrew, Symes, Chaplin, Peel, Gilham in your list of talented youngsters. They may look good at SANFL level but they are all yet to play an AFL game. You also have to admit the jury is also out on Surjan, Ebert and White until they have played between 20-30 games.
So that would leave K Cornes, S Burgoyne and Salopak as proven legitimate young talent.
This is not a troll, but a legitimate question so don't go getting all defensive.

Your thoughts..

 

[Damp Squarie]

Adelaide -AFL
Port Adelaide -SANFL

Got any harder questions

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

And it took u this long to realise. Hallelulia!

Yep Koppy, your BF's answer to Forrest Gump.

 

[Damien_R1]

I think Adelaide will be about 6-10 on the ladder in 06. I think next season they will make the finals...fresh start, new coach, new gameplan, young players. Will shock and surprise many teams and finish in 7th spot for the finals. Will win the first week then get knocked out in the semis. I think in 06 tho that you will fall back a little bit...probably 9th. Roo, Hart, Stevens, Mcleod, Goodwin all on their last legs.

Its an important transition for your club at the moment. Most of your best players are on the verge of retirement. To become a premiership threat in 3-6 years time you nerf to replace those stars with new superstars (the likes of Johncock and Watts could be those) and then find quite a number of players to go to the level that Mcgregor, Johncock, Goodwin are at now. If some of these players dont come on as expected then you could spend quite a few years down in the "nothing range" of 6-12.

Port...I think we are a genuine chacne at the premiership again next year and a small chance the year after. The next two years are very important for our club as well. 06 will see an almost 100% changeover in our defence. Wakelin, Bishop, Monty, Wanganeen will need to be replaced by Gilham, Chaplin, Pettigrew, Symes. The likes of James, Wilson, Primus and Lade will be on the edge of retirement as well. We have the young talent to stay at or near the top for the next 5-6 years but 06 is important. Im expecting us to drop off in 06 to that 6-10 period as well as our defence and half our midfield goes thru that transition but i think if all goes well we could be a strong premiership chance around 08-09 as well.

Overall

Adelaide - 9th 10 wins
Port 8th. 11 wins

Quality post but I think you give the AFC a bit too much credit, I'd be surprised if we make the finals next year. I am hoping though !

Port will do well next year no doubt. With Hardwick and Carr gone you haven't lost too much although Carr was real quality in the middle. Id be real surprised if you didnt make the final 4. It'll definitaly be interesting to see how you go about turning your players over when they all start to retire. I'm with SC, where is all this young talent coming from ?

As for 2008/2009 being a strong premiership chance, isn't that just a little bit vague ? If all goes well for ANY club, ANYONE could be a realistic premiership chance in 2008/2009.

 

[macca23]

I think Adelaide will be about 6-10 on the ladder in 06. I think next season they will make the finals...fresh start, new coach, new gameplan, young players. Will shock and surprise many teams and finish in 7th spot for the finals. Will win the first week then get knocked out in the semis. I think in 06 tho that you will fall back a little bit...probably 9th. Roo, Hart, Stevens, Mcleod, Goodwin all on their last legs.

Its an important transition for your club at the moment. Most of your best players are on the verge of retirement. To become a premiership threat in 3-6 years time you nerf to replace those stars with new superstars (the likes of Johncock and Watts could be those) and then find quite a number of players to go to the level that Mcgregor, Johncock, Goodwin are at now. If some of these players dont come on as expected then you could spend quite a few years down in the "nothing range" of 6-12.

Port...I think we are a genuine chacne at the premiership again next year and a small chance the year after. The next two years are very important for our club as well. 06 will see an almost 100% changeover in our defence. Wakelin, Bishop, Monty, Wanganeen will need to be replaced by Gilham, Chaplin, Pettigrew, Symes. The likes of James, Wilson, Primus and Lade will be on the edge of retirement as well. We have the young talent to stay at or near the top for the next 5-6 years but 06 is important. Im expecting us to drop off in 06 to that 6-10 period as well as our defence and half our midfield goes thru that transition but i think if all goes well we could be a strong premiership chance around 08-09 as well.

Overall

Adelaide - 9th 10 wins
Port 8th. 11 wins

Good work Macca, and I think it will be that close. Very good summary IMO of the next 2 years for both teams.

After that the variables are enormous, and you could be spot on or miles out on both, so I won't hazard a guess at that.

But right or wrong it's a well thought out post.

 

[- PC -]

For me its too early to tell who will finish above each other just yet.

2005 will have alot to do with this. It will depend on the Port list at the end of the year with alot of older players possibly retiring, it will also depend on how the young guys from each side come on.

I am very confident in our young so I will obviously go with us. I do not know enough of the Port youngsters to make a fair judgment so I wont....they are ********!

Yes the only concern I would have as a Crow supporter is if NC decides the players he has really wont cut it.And has a hissy fit and gets rid of 10 players

 

[jc67]

Yes the only concern I would have as a Crow supporter is if NC decides the players he has really wont cut it.And has a hissy fit and gets rid of 10 players

It sounds as if next years draft might be strong enough to cut a few more players than normal.
Also quite a few of our fringe players will be out oif contract, so 6 or 7 changes to the list might be a good thing.

 

[noddy]

Quality post but I think you give the AFC a bit too much credit, I'd be surprised if we make the finals next year. I am hoping though !

Port will do well next year no doubt. With Hardwick and Carr gone you haven't lost too much although Carr was real quality in the middle. Id be real surprised if you didnt make the final 4. It'll definitaly be interesting to see how you go about turning your players over when they all start to retire. I'm with SC, where is all this young talent coming from ?

As for 2008/2009 being a strong premiership chance, isn't that just a little bit vague ? If all goes well for ANY club, ANYONE could be a realistic premiership chance in 2008/2009.

I wouldn't be surprised all that much if we make the eight next year as we still have a core group players that if they have a reasonable year injury wise can carry our up & comers for another year at least, 06 could see whether we have recruited well these past 2 years as it is then when the 2nd group have to step right up & take over from the Hart's, Ricciuto's, McLeod's etc, as someone said Craig & co could have a field day come delisting time next year.

On Port Adelaide i agree they should make the 4 & are in my opinion equal favs for the flag along with St Kilda, losing Josh Carr will hurt them badly & i don't care how often some Pap supporters say otherwise you can't lose a top class in & under midfielder who doesn't know the meaning of the word danger without it making a difference to your overall team structure,

& before anyone mentions Francou & Primus coming back into the side to make up for losing Carr well dream on as both those guys no matter how good they once were are well into there 30s & coming back from consecutive knee reconstructions.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Have to admit that is champagne comedy.

So how was it standing in as a stump?

 

[MrMeaner]

On Port Adelaide i agree they should make the 4 & are in my opinion equal favs for the flag along with St Kilda, losing Josh Carr will hurt them badly & i don't care how often some Pap supporters say otherwise you can't lose a top class in & under midfielder who doesn't know the meaning of the word danger without it making a difference to your overall team structure,

& before anyone mentions Francou & Primus coming back into the side to make up for losing Carr well dream on as both those guys no matter how good they once were are well into there 30s & coming back from consecutive knee reconstructions.

noddy, you're right about losing Carr hurting us. However, I think that us "Paps" hope that Cassisi, Salopek or K Cornes take over that role. Our chances of success over the next couple of years hinge on that hope (assuming that everything else works in our favour).

 

[portentous]

I agree about Carr and Francou is very much an unknown IMO. Primus should be OK playing mainly in the forward line. Both of them are getting towards the end of their careers though. From what I've seen of Pettigrew, Chaplin, White, Surjan and Ebert, they all have the dreaded "P word" but the proof is in the pudding. Should be an interesting next few seasons for both clubs I reckon. Hart, McLeod and Ruccuito won't be around forever either.....

 

[noddy]

noddy, you're right about losing Carr hurting us. However, I think that us "Paps" hope that Cassisi, Salopek or K Cornes take over that role. Our chances of success over the next couple of years hinge on that hope (assuming that everything else works in our favour).

MM, i use to bloody detest that little pr#ck when watching him play not because of his ability to play the game but the way he could antagonize the most placid opposition player out there & get away with it.

Great player Josh Carr & as much as i rate K Cornes you guys will miss the him.

So highly i rate J Carr i believe he will be the difference in the Dockers having a good year & making the finals in 05, his style in the mid-field will compliment their other mid-fielders in Bell, Haselbey etc.

 

[Mad Dog]

Pity it wasn't golf training!

.........now there's an image that makes me chuckle !!

frazled powerknob....like something out of a Wylie Coyote cartoon !!

 

[MrMeaner]

MM, i use to bloody detest that little pr#ck when watching him play not because of his ability to play the game but the way he could antagonize the most placid opposition player out there & get away with it.

Great player Josh Carr & as much as i rate K Cornes you guys will miss the him.

So highly i rate J Carr i believe he will be the difference in the Dockers having a good year & making the finals in 05, his style in the mid-field will compliment their other mid-fielders in Bell, Haselbey etc.

Those are the reasons most (if not all) of us were sorry to see him leave. Dare I say that his attributes were traditional those of a traditional Port player (eg Clifford, Ginever etc)? We do need to get that 'mongrel' from elsewhere now that Josh is gone. Again, we are hoping that someone else steps up in that regard.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

I agree about Carr and Francou is very much an unknown IMO. Primus should be OK playing mainly in the forward line. Both of them are getting towards the end of their careers though. From what I've seen of Pettigrew, Chaplin, White, Surjan and Ebert, they all have the dreaded "P word" but the proof is in the pudding. Should be an interesting next few seasons for both clubs I reckon. Hart, McLeod and Ruccuito won't be around forever either.....

Tries to Whistle Dixie but "We are the pride of South Australia" comes out instead.

 

[Mad Dog]

I think Adelaide will be about 6-10 on the ladder in 06. I think next season they will make the finals...fresh start, new coach, new gameplan, young players. Will shock and surprise many teams and finish in 7th spot for the finals. Will win the first week then get knocked out in the semis. I think in 06 tho that you will fall back a little bit...probably 9th. Roo, Hart, Stevens, Mcleod, Goodwin all on their last legs.

Its an important transition for your club at the moment. Most of your best players are on the verge of retirement. To become a premiership threat in 3-6 years time you nerf to replace those stars with new superstars (the likes of Johncock and Watts could be those) and then find quite a number of players to go to the level that Mcgregor, Johncock, Goodwin are at now. If some of these players dont come on as expected then you could spend quite a few years down in the "nothing range" of 6-12.

Port...I think we are a genuine chacne at the premiership again next year and a small chance the year after. The next two years are very important for our club as well. 06 will see an almost 100% changeover in our defence. Wakelin, Bishop, Monty, Wanganeen will need to be replaced by Gilham, Chaplin, Pettigrew, Symes. The likes of James, Wilson, Primus and Lade will be on the edge of retirement as well. We have the young talent to stay at or near the top for the next 5-6 years but 06 is important. Im expecting us to drop off in 06 to that 6-10 period as well as our defence and half our midfield goes thru that transition but i think if all goes well we could be a strong premiership chance around 08-09 as well.

Overall

Adelaide - 9th 10 wins
Port 8th. 11 wins

a pretty good analysis Macca19...not much to disagree with here. I think the AFC equation is more difficult to predict over the next few years because there are so many more unknown variables. How we prepare for the retirements of Hart, Macca, Roo, Edwards is going to be critical. There's no question there will be a fair turnover of players over the next 2 years, and I fear we will be hard pressed to be ready for those retirements possibly at the end of '07.
I think the Power's line is a little easier to predict...there are some good quality youngsters coming thru - and there will need to be with a large senior group. Again - recruitment for the next few years will be critical to backfill the existing youngsters who will be required en masse to fill some pretty big shoes.

'05....AFC 6 to 10 (favourable draw)....Pap....top 4
'06....AFC 6 to 10...Pap...top 4
'07....AFC can be top 4...Pap ..4 to 8
'08....AFC 4 to 12 (??).....Pap ..4 to 8

 

[- PC -]

gotta love a bit of hindsight

Though its early its still fun to bump this after 4 rounds