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Jarryd_S said:
Double standards? We didn't want to submit the stupid thing. We shouldn't have to forgo our heritage, the jumper we've worn for 134 years. Because that Marketing ********er at the AFL wants a raise. I remember one reporter asked him what would happen if, for instance, Melbourne and Essendon played in the Grand Final:

"Well we really haven't thought about that"

Thank god geniuses like this are in charge in the AFL.
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It is stupid but 15 other clubs are doing it and it is a requirement of them to do so.
 
Jarryd_S said:
Double standards? We didn't want to submit the stupid thing. We shouldn't have to forgo our heritage, the jumper we've worn for 134 years. Because that Marketing ********er at the AFL wants a raise. I remember one reporter asked him what would happen if, for instance, Melbourne and Essendon played in the Grand Final:

"Well we really haven't thought about that"

Thank god geniuses like this are in charge in the AFL.
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The double-standards is the AFL's, not Collingwood's. The AFL are hell-bent on this gimmicky clash concept, yet it's fraught with contradictions and clashes still. (Like the Melb-Ess example you gave). But there are more. Swans v Eagles. Etc.

So, if they're hellbent on it, and forcing every club to run out in gimmicky 'ghey' outfits, they should at least force teams like Cwood and Essendon to be for real about it. The AFL rejected their submissions yet in the end allowed them. Joke. The whole thing's a joke too.

The best system is the home (colored) guernsey vs the away (white guernsey) concept used by many pro-sports around the world. And NOT therefore legislating against teams using similar colors to other teams, as that just gets far too hard to control and there shouldn't be a rule preventing teams wearing colors that represent them. Think international cricket and how many nations wear green.
 
loyallion said:
I am aware of the differences in the 2 jumpers :rolleyes: it just wont make much difference for the players on the field. They have hardly put any effort into it is what I'm saying.
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Interesting comment by Luke Power, in the Herald Sun, modelling Brisbane's new jumper, that he had trouble distinguising targets when he played against Essendon. Red and black are different from maroon and blue. Perhaps its the speed of the game and the rapid decision making and disposal that are now required of the players.
 

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loyallion said:
Seriously What the hell is Collingwood on? :rolleyes: How do they get that their clash jersey is much different from their normal jersey? sure it wont have the black on the back of it like the current jersey but still its too much like the home jersey.
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who do we clash with?

i dont know who the afls says, but i think maybe the saints. the back of their jumper is black like ours, the front totally different, so the white back fixes that.

we dont clash with north imo, the back of their jumper is white, ours black and if you cant tell the dif between light blue and black on the front you are blind.

so that clash strip will be fine.
 
magilla said:
who do we clash with?

i dont know who the afls says, but i think maybe the saints. the back of their jumper is black like ours, the front totally different, so the white back fixes that.

we dont clash with north imo, the back of their jumper is white, ours black and if you cant tell the dif between light blue and black on the front you are blind.

so that clash strip will be fine.
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You forgot Port Adelaide when you play in Adelaide. Coz we aint wearing our clash jumper on our home ground.
 
I don't see how Collingwood's clash jumper would cause a problem against Port or St. Kilda's home colours.

The only problem I could genuinely see is the Kangaroos, and if the current solution isn't deemed good enough, then we wear the 2002-2004 away jumper (dark, with the magpie on the chest and The Black And White Stripes beneath). Problem Solved! Simple. And no need for a Lions-esque monstrosity. It's only AFL marketing that will genuinely benefit from any other solution.
 
Matt_TY said:
I don't see how Collingwood's clash jumper would cause a problem against Port or St. Kilda's home colours.

The only problem I could genuinely see is the Kangaroos, and if the current solution isn't deemed good enough, then we wear the 2002-2004 away jumper (dark, with the magpie on the chest and The Black And White Stripes beneath). Problem Solved! Simple. And no need for a Lions-esque monstrosity. It's only AFL marketing that will genuinely benefit from any other solution.
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Which looks awfully similiar to the Port Adelaide's black and white prison bar jumper, which, because of Eddie McGuire, we can't even wear in heritage round. Look for that to change though this year.
 
g.g. said:
The double-standards is the AFL's, not Collingwood's. The AFL are hell-bent on this gimmicky clash concept, yet it's fraught with contradictions and clashes still. (Like the Melb-Ess example you gave). But there are more. Swans v Eagles. Etc.

So, if they're hellbent on it, and forcing every club to run out in gimmicky 'ghey' outfits, they should at least force teams like Cwood and Essendon to be for real about it. The AFL rejected their submissions yet in the end allowed them. Joke. The whole thing's a joke too.

The best system is the home (colored) guernsey vs the away (white guernsey) concept used by many pro-sports around the world. And NOT therefore legislating against teams using similar colors to other teams, as that just gets far too hard to control and there shouldn't be a rule preventing teams wearing colors that represent them. Think international cricket and how many nations wear green.
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So because other sports do it we should do it?
 
g.g. said:
No, not BECAUSE they do it, we should....but BECAUSE it's by far the easiest best solution to these 'clash' problems.
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I don't understand why the AFL simply can't enforce the same rule they did in 1987, it's bull******** that clubs like Essendon and Collingwood have to change their jumpers for basketcases like Melbourne and North Melbourne who are only surviving on AFL money.
 
Ok heres some possible Clashes that each team has

Adelaide : Melbourne, Essendon, St Kilda Richmond, Brisbane
Brisbane : Sydney, Essendon, Adelaide
Carlton : Geelong, St Kilda, Collingwood, Richmond Essendon Port adelaide,
Collingwood: St Kilda, Geelong, Richmond, Essendon, Kangaroos, Port Adelaide,
Essendon: Melbourne, Brisbane, St Kilda, Richmond Collingwood, Carlton, Adelaide. Port Adelaide Sydney,
Fremantle: Melbourne Bulldogs, St Kilda,
Geelong : Carlton, Collingwood, Kangaroos,
Hawthorn: Richmond,
Kangaroos: West Coast , Bulldogs, Collingwood, Geelong
Melbourne: Adelaide, Essendon, St Kilda, Fremantle
Port Power: Collingwood, Essendon, St kilda, Richmond, Carlton
Richmond : Adelaide, Hawthorn, St Kilda, Essendon, Collingwood, Port Adelaide West Coast
St kilda : Sydney, Essendon, Adelaide, Carlton, Fremantle, Collingwood, Melbourne, Port Adelaide,
Sydney: Brisbane St Kilda, Essendon,
West Coast: Kangaroos, Bulldogs, Richmond,
Bulldogs: West Coast, Kangaroos,


Yes I know that some of these teams are complete different colours to the teams selected But When the game is as fast as it is its very confusing for the players to spot out their team mates.

Its because teams like Adelaide, Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon, Melbourne, Richmond, Port Adelaide and St Kilda have Dark colours on the back of thier uniform.
Other teams have very similar designs aswell.
 

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loyallion said:
Ok heres some possible Clashes that each team has

Adelaide : Melbourne, Essendon, St Kilda Richmond, Brisbane
Brisbane : Sydney, Essendon, Adelaide
Carlton : Geelong, St Kilda, Collingwood, Richmond Essendon
Collingwood: St Kilda, Geelong, Richmond, Essendon, Kangaroos, Port Adelaide,
Essendon: Melbourne, Brisbane, St Kilda, Richmond Collingwood, Carlton, Adelaide. Port Adelaide Sydney,
Fremantle: Melbourne Bulldogs
Geelong : Carlton, Collingwood, Kangaroos,
Hawthorn: Richmond,
Kangaroos: West Coast , Bulldogs, Collingwood, Geelong
Melbourne: Adelaide, Essendon, St Kilda,
Port Power: Collingwood, Essendon, St kilda, Richmond,
Richmond : Adelaide, Hawthorn, St Kilda, Essendon, Collingwood, Port Adelaide West Coast
St kilda : Sydney, Essendon, Adelaide, Carlton, Collingwood, Melbourne, Port Adelaide,
Sydney: Brisbane St Kilda, Essendon,
West Coast: Kangaroos, Bulldogs, Richmond,
Bulldogs: West Coast, Kangaroos,
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Good god, that is terrible. Is that you Vlad?
 
Jarryd_S said:
I don't understand why the AFL simply can't enforce the same rule they did in 1987, it's bull******** that clubs like Essendon and Collingwood have to change their jumpers for basketcases like Melbourne and North Melbourne who are only surviving on AFL money.
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1. You can't legislate against teams wearing whatever colors they like, that rpresent their region, heritage etc. DESIGNS, yes. But not colors. It's just wrong.

2. As more teams enter the comp, or new teams replacing old teams, there are going to be more and more uses of popular colors like blue, red, black, and more uses of popular combinations like red-blue, black-red, etc.

3. Often, colors clash when not the same. Purple is very similar to navy. Or a combination like Purple-Green-Red will clash with a combination like Blue-Red....because dark colors like these still blend into being harder to distinguish.

4. Therefore, how does a league running a comp keep teams from clashing on field?

That's why, the color v white system for ALL games is just easier. The main reason why the Clash guernsey concept is not going to work is because many many teams are not doing an all-white version. But a straight reversal. But if Black-Red clashes with Blue-Red, then Red-Black is still going to clash with Blue-Red. Etc.
 
loyallion said:
Ok heres some possible Clashes that each team has

Adelaide : Melbourne, Essendon, St Kilda Richmond, Brisbane
Brisbane : Sydney, Essendon, Adelaide
Carlton : Geelong, St Kilda, Collingwood, Richmond Essendon
Collingwood: St Kilda, Geelong, Richmond, Essendon, Kangaroos, Port Adelaide,
Essendon: Melbourne, Brisbane, St Kilda, Richmond Collingwood, Carlton, Adelaide. Port Adelaide Sydney,
Fremantle: Melbourne Bulldogs, St Kilda,
Geelong : Carlton, Collingwood, Kangaroos,
Hawthorn: Richmond,
Kangaroos: West Coast , Bulldogs, Collingwood, Geelong
Melbourne: Adelaide, Essendon, St Kilda,
Port Power: Collingwood, Essendon, St kilda, Richmond,
Richmond : Adelaide, Hawthorn, St Kilda, Essendon, Collingwood, Port Adelaide West Coast
St kilda : Sydney, Essendon, Adelaide, Carlton, Fremantle, Collingwood, Melbourne, Port Adelaide,
Sydney: Brisbane St Kilda, Essendon,
West Coast: Kangaroos, Bulldogs, Richmond,
Bulldogs: West Coast, Kangaroos,


Yes I know that some of these teams are complete different colours to the teams selected But When the game is as fast as it is its very confusing for the players to spot out their team mates.

Its because teams like Adelaide, Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon, Melbourne, Richmond, Port Adelaide and St Kilda have Dark colours on the back of thier uniform.
Other teams have very similar designs aswell.
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You need to get your eyes tested if you think there are that many clashes.
 
g.g. said:
1. You can't legislate against teams wearing whatever colors they like, that rpresent their region, heritage etc. DESIGNS, yes. But not colors. It's just wrong.

2. As more teams enter the comp, or new teams replacing old teams, there are going to be more and more uses of popular colors like blue, red, black, and more uses of popular combinations like red-blue, black-red, etc.

3. Often, colors clash when not the same. Purple is very similar to navy. Or a combination like Purple-Green-Red will clash with a combination like Blue-Red....because dark colors like these still blend into being harder to distinguish.

4. Therefore, how does a league running a comp keep teams from clashing on field?

That's why, the color v white system for ALL games is just easier. The main reason why the Clash guernsey concept is not going to work is because many many teams are not doing an all-white version. But a straight reversal. But if Black-Red clashes with Blue-Red, then Red-Black is still going to clash with Blue-Red. Etc.
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The 1987 rule is as follows:

In a game in 1987 Hawthorn was to play Brisbane, but the jumpers clashed horribly. The AFL ruled that Brisbane should change their jumper since they were introduced more recently, thus their jumper was newer. So according to this ruling, the team that changed their jumper last is the one who has to change it, whether they be the home team or not. Seems simple and logical.
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
You need to get your eyes tested if you think there are that many clashes.
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Heys it's not from my point of view its from the players We can see them clearly of course because we have a better view than the players. Why do you reckon you see alot of mistakes come in from kick ins and handballing from a distance for?.
 

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Troy Wingate said:
Which looks awfully similiar to the Port Adelaide's black and white prison bar jumper, which, because of Eddie McGuire, we can't even wear in heritage round. Look for that to change though this year.
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Good. I am in favour of you being allowed to wear your prison bars in heritage round... As long as you're not playing us!
 
Jarryd_S said:
The 1987 rule is as follows:

In a game in 1987 Hawthorn was to play Brisbane, but the jumpers clashed horribly. The AFL ruled that Brisbane should change their jumper since they were introduced more recently, thus their jumper was newer. So according to this ruling, the team that changed their jumper last is the one who has to change it, whether they be the home team or not. Seems simple and logical.
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Collingwood changed their guernsey from white to all-black version only in the last few years. Therefore they should be forced under that rule to always wear an all-white version WHENEVER they play Port Adelaide (home OR away). By that rule.

I personally don't like it, prefer the color v white concept. Just easier and less hassle and argument. Look at how Cwood would be screwed in that 1987 rule and the arguments it would cause. Color v white is tried tested true and easiest. Who cares where a good idea comes from???? Geez. If that's such a problem then let's stop using the internet because Americans invented it.
 
loyallion said:
Ok heres some possible Clashes that each team has

Hawthorn: Richmond
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I remember a couple of years ago in a Hawthorn v Richmond match the umpires wore yellow, and I'm not joking when I say that. Anyone remember that? The AFL just doesnt have a clue on this issue.
 
CONS_SS said:
I remember a couple of years ago in a Hawthorn v Richmond match the umpires wore yellow, and I'm not joking when I say that. Anyone remember that? The AFL just doesnt have a clue on this issue.
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Wasn't that Hawthorn v Sydney?
 

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