2007 draft revisted

[deflated]

Rioli is the second best small forward behind Betts.

Cotchin isn't close to the best midfielder in the league. So how's he much better?

Since when do elite small forwards have comparable value to great midfielders? Cotchin would be drafted first as the more valuable player.

 

[magut]

Since when do elite small forwards have comparable value to great midfielders? Cotchin would be drafted first as the more valuable player.

Per basic economic theory value is driven by to scarcity of resources; so therefore Cyril (as an elite small forward) is more valuable then Cotchin (a great midfielder).

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/scarcity-principle.asp

 

[Dixie Flatline]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Emma Quayle's book, The Draft. In-depth look at the lead-up to the 2007 draft including insight into how Hawthorn approached the draft that season and a discussion of a number of the players mentioned in this thread.

 

[Ambrosia]

Hooker has played 66 games less, 145-201, that's three seasons worth of games, and he did start his career slowly.

Ebert was extremely average at the beginning of his career as well

 

[Sydney Kicker]

thanks for your meaningful contribution to the thread on the 2007 draft.

Your contribution has really added to this forum.

Please keep giving us your incredible insights, they are mind blowing !

My pleasure! Troll on friend.

 

[Ambrosia]

Doesn't get it enough for an inside mid.

Nice left peg but limited otherwise

Was never going to be a superstar IMO. But chronic hamstring injuries robbed him of his pace which makes hit hard to criticise the selection IMO.

 

[TheGreatBambino]

"If Jarrad Grant's not the next best player after them (Kreuzer & Cotchin) ... then I'll swim to Williamstown from here."

Scott Clayton, 2007

 

[telsor]

Per basic economic theory value is driven by to scarcity of resources; so therefore Cyril (as an elite small forward) is more valuable then Cotchin (a great midfielder).

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/scarcity-principle.asp

Yeah, but that comes down to supply and DEMAND.

There is simply a lot more demand for quality mids. While most clubs (not all) would like an elite small forward, ALL clubs would want multiple high quality midfielders.

 

[hippyhippy]

sure did Tex was a gem..

tex was a nsw scholarship that called the crows to tell us to get him under the scheme or collingwood was calling... luckily we took him. the draft was just a formality. who knew where he would have actually went if he entered the draft.

 

[magut]

Yeah, but that comes down to supply and DEMAND.

There is simply a lot more demand for quality mids. While most clubs (not all) would like an elite small forward, ALL clubs would want multiple high quality midfielders.

In an era since Collingwood 2010 where forward pressure has been pivotal to a team's success one could argue all clubs would demand an elite small forward also.

Hawthorn '12-'16 had Cyril and a couple of very good ones in Bruest and Poupolo

 

[Grrr]

Cotchin cops a lot of disrespect here. One good season... really. Been a gun since he started and had a couple of average years due mainly to poor coaching and people say he is just an average footballer. Has been tagged for years, him or Delidio, and taggers are given way to much leeway their way.

 

[citizen-erased]

Only on bigfooty would Cyril Rioli be considered a better footballer than Cotchin.

Rioli has been great, but please. Rioli would not even make the top 5 of this draft due to his inability to grow into a midfielder.

Very one dimensional footballer

Completely delusional.

1. Rance
2. Dangerfield
3. Cotchin
4. Harry Taylor
5. Taylor Walker

Yet he performs when the pressure is on and has 4 premiership medals

Cotchin is yet to be sighted in a final

 

[The Joker]

Completely delusional.

1. Rance
2. Dangerfield

The epitome of delusional!!!

 

[Grrr]

Yet he performs when the pressure is on and has 4 premiership medals

Cotchin is yet to be sighted in a final

In the first final he was good against Carlton.
Second final against Port the entire side was blown out of the water 10 minutes in.
Third final he copped a heavy tag against North and was quiet.... therefore he's no good. He has stood up time and time again.. but yup, a couple of average finals and he's just meat and potatoes.

 

[citizen-erased]

In the first final he was good against Carlton.
Second final against Port the entire side was blown out of the water 10 minutes in.
Third final he copped a heavy tag against North and was quiet.... therefore he's no good. He has stood up time and time again.. but yup, a couple of average finals and he's just meat and potatoes.

not meat and potatoes, but not better than Rioli, who is anything but one dimensional

 

[citizen-erased]

Completely delusional:

1. Rance
2. Dangerfield
3. Cotchin
4. Harry Taylor
5. Taylor Walker

There you go

 

[Damon_3388]

In an era since Collingwood 2010 where forward pressure has been pivotal to a team's success one could argue all clubs would demand an elite small forward also.

Hawthorn '12-'16 had Cyril and a couple of very good ones in Bruest and Poupolo

But would they use a top 5/top 10 pick on one though, or use a later pick, or try a different type of player in the role (eg. Puopolo was a defender before being drafted)?

 

[blaisee]

not meat and potatoes, but not better than Rioli, who is anything but one dimensional

He is a one dimensional footballer that can only play as a small forward . Cannot play as a midfielder cannot play as a defender . Cotchin is a genuine midfielder who can play most positions on the ground . A brow low medalist and a leader .

 

[Snooza 100]

Yet he performs when the pressure is on and has 4 premiership medals

Cotchin is yet to be sighted in a final

if you had a choice to get cotchin or cyril at the bomers tomorrow. who would it be?

 

[citizen-erased]

if you had a choice to get cotchin or cyril at the bomers tomorrow. who would it be?

Cyril
Zero question

 

[citizen-erased]

He is a one dimensional footballer that can only play as a small forward . Cannot play as a midfielder cannot play as a defender . Cotchin is a genuine midfielder who can play most positions on the ground . A brow low medalist and a leader .

Not even his Brownlow
And I don't know if I've ever seen Cotchin play forward but I've certainly seen Cyril through the middle.

 

[blaisee]

Not even his Brownlow
And I don't know if I've ever seen Cotchin play forward but I've certainly seen Cyril through the middle.

really,

whose Brownlow was it ?

 

[Blue1980]

I don't think Kreuzer has become nearly the player he was expected to be. He's solid but he was being heralded as the next Paul Salmon pre-draft

Injuries did cut him down a bit bit another 4-5 seasons around this years level will see his rating lift quite high. Especially if he is part of any success.

 

[Rich01]

injuries. has played 10+ games in a season 3 times in his career.
Plus was played out of position early. big inside mid - spent a lot of early days off HBF.

On current form hope the Bombers haven't signed him up for longer than this season.

Unfortunately looks like the game has passed him by.

 

[Benny78]

Only on bigfooty would Cyril Rioli be considered a better footballer than Cotchin.

Rioli has been great, but please. Rioli would not even make the top 5 of this draft due to his inability to grow into a midfielder.

Very one dimensional footballer

Completely delusional.

1. Rance
2. Dangerfield
3. Cotchin
4. Harry Taylor
5. Taylor Walker