2007 draft revisted

[Rimmer]

Taylor at his peak was better than Rance, and I'd def have him before Cotchin.

Harry Taylor is a great footballer but I doubt many would agree with you that he is better than Rance at Rances peak (which has been for the past 4 years), as to a comparison with Cotchin that make no sense, one is a midfielder the other a key backman. Nobody tries to compare Rance with Dangerfield, or Buddy with Gary Ablett.

Nice troll ...

and for what its worth this is the first year since 2007 where other clubs might take Kreuzer before Cotchin, he was always injured, Carlton even tried to dump Kreuzer 2 years ago but there were no takers.

 

[SBYM]

Harry Taylor is a great footballer but I doubt many would agree with you that he is better than Rance at Rances peak (which has been for the past 4 years), as to a comparison with Cotchin that make no sense, one is a midfielder the other a key backman. Nobody tries to compare Rance with Dangerfield, or Buddy with Gary Ablett.

Nice troll ...

and for what its worth this is the first year since 2007 where other clubs might take Kreuzer before Cotchin, he was always injured, Carlton even tried to dump Kreuzer 2 years ago but there were no takers.

Don read so good, hey?

Didn't compare Taylor and Cotchin...said I'd have one before the other. If I could choose one, I'd choose Taylor. Sorry if that offends you, but I reckon you'd find quite a few who think that way.

As for Taylor v Rance...well, I reckon HT's flexibility gets him over the line, but Rance is four years younger, so who knows how I'll feel about it by the time they've both finished. That's the beauty of our footy opinions isn't it? We're all arseholes...

And for what it's worth I never brought up Kreuzer. Thanks for the history of his career, though...I don't really pay attention to any Carlton players!

Nice troll...

 

[SBYM]

Henderson over dangerfield makes me cry.

You would have just traded him to us anyway...

 

[Juggs Magnetic]

Laughable that Rioli would be described as 'one dimensional'.

 

[deflated]

Per basic economic theory value is driven by to scarcity of resources; so therefore Cyril (as an elite small forward) is more valuable then Cotchin (a great midfielder).

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/scarcity-principle.asp

Meh. The incremental benefit of elite production from small forward over what is commonly available for the position is not worth paying for the scarcity. Brownlow-level mids have similar scarcity but return more value.

 

[blaisee]

Laughable that Rioli would be described as 'one dimensional'.

why ?

 

[Juggs Magnetic]

A 'one dimensional' player is generally only able to play in one position or be limited in their abilities. Considering Rioli is an exceptional crumbing forward first and foremost, but also has the ability to play through the midfield,
Has quality kicking and handballing skills not to mention his tackling. Plus he has an X factor and ability to do things that are rare.

Would you describe Cotchin as one dimensional because he really is only able to play midfield?

 

[blaisee]

A 'one dimensional' player is generally only able to play in one position or be limited in their abilities. Considering Rioli is an exceptional crumbing forward first and foremost, but also has the ability to play through the midfield,
Has quality kicking and handballing skills not to mention his tackling. Plus he has an X factor and ability to do things that are rare.

Would you describe Cotchin as one dimensional because he really is only able to play midfield?

he is one dimensional because he has never been able to evolve into a midfielder. ever.

Cotchin can play anywhere, as can all genuine midfielders.

 

[magut]

he is one dimensional because he has never been able to evolve into a midfielder. ever.

Cotchin can play anywhere, as can all genuine midfielders.

He started in the middle in the 2015 Granny.

 

[Juggs Magnetic]

he is one dimensional because he has never been able to evolve into a midfielder. ever.

Cotchin can play anywhere, as can all genuine midfielders.

I really don't think cotchin can play anywhere. What's he like at full back? I'd say that rioli has evolved into a better midfielder than cotchin has as a small forward.

 

[Grrr]

Really Cotchin and Rioli are about equal. Both very good players that every side would have so there is no point comparing. Some say Rioli is overrated, but when he's on he's one of the best going around. Cotchin likewise is underrated and from day one has been a star (apart from the last two years). Playing great footy this year again.

 

[Freomaniac]

Hooker and Talyor walker would both be in the top 10. Not bad as both were taken after pick 50

 

[Freomaniac]

Is this Cale Hooker thing some sort of inside joke that I'm not getting?

Given the Choice, Who you rather Cale Hooker, Jarhan Jacky or Cale Morton?

 

[blaisee]

I think Rance has proven his mettle as the best player taken in the 2007 draft

 

[citizen-erased]

I think Rance has proven his mettle as the best player taken in the 2007 draft

Last years Brownlow medallist?

 

[Snooza 100]

Cyril
Zero question

so you would rather a player who gets it 14 times a game, compared to a guy who gets it 28 times a game.
Good call..

 

[citizen-erased]

so you would rather a player who gets it 14 times a game, compared to a guy who gets it 28 times a game.
Good call..

I would rather a game winner than a stat chaser

 

[Snooza 100]

I would rather a game winner than a stat chaser

A BROWNLOW MEDALIST!!

 

[BlueTucker456]

What a stupid article. Kreuzer has played 1 month of good footy in 10 bloody years and they want to discuss where he stands? I'll tell you where he stands. At present he is an absolute flop.

Christ, the amount of money Carlton has sunk into the bloke and what they've gotten back to date is outrageous. Needs to put together a few consistent seasons and they sure as shit could have done with a better #1 pick who was on the park more the last 10 years

Ruckmen don't usually peak until 27-28, and kreuzer's clearly been outstanding this year. Hope he can continue this through the next few years but I think his importance to the team has been long understated.

 

[citizen-erased]

A BROWNLOW MEDALIST!!

A la Shane woewodin.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Ruckmen don't usually peak until 27-28, and kreuzer's clearly been outstanding this year. Hope he can continue this through the next few years but I think his importance to the team has been long understated.

He's been important to carlton because the other options in the ruck were so poor. He's just missed too many of his good years through injury (either missed games or not playing at 100%), that it's impossible to rate him too highly. Here's hoping he stays injury free and enjoys the next few years.

 

[Hawk_francais]

The 2007 draft never existed ... or has at least been removed from the mental storage units of all Lions

Could be worse. Could be Melbourne.

 

[Hawk_francais]

he is one dimensional because he has never been able to evolve into a midfielder. ever.

Cotchin can play anywhere, as can all genuine midfielders.

Sam Mitchell to full forward?

Rioli has never been a midfielder because of his hamstring injuries. Instead he's just become a livewire crumbing forward who is unstoppable when he's on form.

He is worth the price of entry, and it doesn't really matter what you say about him - his exploits in big games and on grand final day will mean he will be remembered longer than most in the competition.

 

[Scotland]

Weird draft year that the best player was #10.

We had 4 picks in the first 22 and missed all these guys:

Dangerfield
Rance
Taylor
Ward
Rioli
Cotchin
Steven
Hooker
Tarrant
Wood

Super.

 

[rooboy29]

if you had a choice to get cotchin or cyril at the bomers tomorrow. who would it be?

Cyril! Match winner in finals absolute jet when it matters!
People saying cyril couldnt be a midfielder i reckon is crap. Has regularly had midfield minutes and attends a fee centre bounces! Unlike richmond the hawks whilst cyril has been there have had the most dynamic midfield in the comp