Draft Review 2007 - Redo the 2007 Draft

[Demon 16]

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masten>morton... melb supporters

Bahahaha..

 

[Demon 16]

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Rioli has been very good but not number 1...

1. Carlton: Matthew Kruezer
2. Richmond: Trent Cotchin
3. West Coast: Cale Morton
4. Melbourne: Patrick Dangerfield
5. Bulldogs: Cyril Rioli
6. Essendon: Tayte Pears
7. Fremantle: Rhys Palmer
8. Brisbane Lions: Jack Grimes
9. Saint Kilda: Chris Masten
10. Adelaide: Callan Ward
11. Sydney: Harry Taylor
12. Hawthorn: Andy Otten
13. West Coast: Brad Ebert
14. Melbourne: Lachlan Henderson
15. North Melbourne: Jarrad Grant
16. Port Adelaide: Ben McEvoy
17. Geelong: Patrick Vespremi

This is the best effort Ive so far imo. Otten, Grimes and Vezpremi might go slightly higher, and Ive noticed a few people underating how good Morton has been.

In any case, with hindsight its shaping up as one of the better drafts - quite a bit of quality here.

 

[hendo8888]

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Good to see it's unanimous that Dangerfield is better than Ebert.
Otten was a pretty good pickup too wasn't he.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

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You've forgotten Cale Hooker from Essendon. He's shown more than any KPP player apart from Pears and Taylor.

Myers looks a bad miss for now but he has time on his side.

Rioli 1, Kruezer 2 is a lock although if Palmer didn't injure his knee he would be right up there.

Dangerfield is a mover into the top 5 with Pears.

Cotchin, Masten, Morton slip to the bottom half of the 10.

 

[Jeremias]

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You are having a laugh if you think we wouldn't take Kreuzer at pick 1.

Cyril is ridiculously over-hyped on these boards. Very good young player but would not displace Kreuzer at 1 or Cotchin at 2.

 

[Tulip]

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try again mystical mac.

please no

 

[Vegas.]

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If you are basing it on what they've shown, Harry Taylor has to be number 1. Has done more than anyone else from that draft.

 

[dee64]

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If you are basing it on what they've shown, Harry Taylor has to be number 1. Has done more than anyone else from that draft.

Rubbish. He's a good player who compliments a great backline. Let's see how he goes when he's the main man, without Scarlett, Milburn and Harley. I still wouldn't rate him in the top 10.

Kreuzer and Cotchin would still be 1 and 2. 3 to 10 is a toss up between Rioli, Dangerfield, Pears, McEvoy, Masten, Ward, Palmer and Grimes.

IMO, Morton will play 200 games, but I still question what impact he'll have on the game. Too soft to be a gun mid, and has shown little to suggest he'll be a kpf. A good hbf or wingman is how I see him. Grimes on the other hand will be a gun mid.

 

[numbat06]

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This is the best effort Ive so far imo. Otten, Grimes and Vezpremi might go slightly higher, and Ive noticed a few people underating how good Morton has been.

In any case, with hindsight its shaping up as one of the better drafts - quite a bit of quality here.

Why, because Morton is at 3 and Grimes is at 8 ?
Morton is being overrated,
Masten/Palmer/Rioli/Cotchin/Dangerfield/Kreuzer have all been better.

 

[MushroomRocket]

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Kruezer will turn out to be the best KPP draft pick from the 2000's. he's unique and will end up playing 300 games.

i actually think he's fevola's natural replacement, since FF seems to be going the 195-200 cm way.

forward lines will get taller with 185 being a standard for a SF and 190 for a HFF.

 

[Vegas.]

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Rubbish. He's a good player who compliments a great backline. Let's see how he goes when he's the main man, without Scarlett, Milburn and Harley. I still wouldn't rate him in the top 10.

Kreuzer and Cotchin would still be 1 and 2. 3 to 10 is a toss up between Rioli, Dangerfield, Pears, McEvoy, Masten, Ward, Palmer and Grimes.

I take it you didn't see him take on THE main man in Riewoldt in THE biggest game of the year and give him a bath. Which he has done before, in a final too. He is playing as a key position player against the best forwards week after week and at the very least holding his own, yet you would take McEvoy ahead of him? Oh please.

 

[Smiggs Pig]

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Kreuzer, Cotchin, Palmer and Rioli are my top four. Worried about Cotchin's injuries but when he plays he looks like a veteran, Kreuzer is the best ruck prospect in years IMO and I love how he takes contested grabs and kicks goals, Palmer has been overlooked because of injury and some concerns over skill level but as soon as he starts playing again people will realise their mistake and Rioli is a star.

In regards to order, hard to tell and in regards to Rioli being overrated, he finished second in our B&F in an injury interupted season and clearly demonstrated he could be an amazing midfielder. He is also the undisputed best player from the list across the last two years and while others are expected to surpass him in the future on exposed form they have not yet IMO.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

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some real bargains in that draft.

Pears, Otten, even Grimes & Rioli amongst others were all pretty good bargains. The first two were very good bargains

 

[dee64]

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I take it you didn't see him take on THE main man in Riewoldt in THE biggest game of the year and give him a bath. Which he has done before, in a final too. He is playing as a key position player against the best forwards week after week and at the very least holding his own, yet you would take McEvoy ahead of him? Oh please.

There are few quality ruckmen in the AFL. From the few glimpses that I've seen, McEvoy will be in the top half dozen in a few years time. Unlike Blake, McEvoy's a natural footballer.

Who's more important to Geelong, Taylor or Ottens?

 

[Ghost of Grinter]

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Id take Dangerfield at no1..

I think this kids cut from the same cloth as the Voss,
Ruccuito, Buckleys etc, he is a leader and a goal kicking
midfielder. He is a big game player who leads from the front.

Not a chance in hell, that I would take Cotchin above
Dangerfield.

I wouldnt even take Cotchin in front of Morton, what has
Cotchin done exacty?

1. Dangerfield.
2. Kruise
3. Morton.
4. Rioli.

 

[Vegas.]

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There are few quality ruckmen in the AFL. From the few glimpses that I've seen, McEvoy will be in the top half dozen in a few years time. Unlike Blake, McEvoy's a natural footballer.

Who's more important to Geelong, Taylor or Ottens?

Obviously Ottens, but given the state of our ruck stocks, he is our most important (add to this that I rate Ottens as the 3rd best ruckman in the game). But the difference is that Ottens is a proven gun, McEvoy is unfilled potential at this stage, while Harry has shown plenty, with plenty more to come.

 

[qldbluesman_43]

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There is no chance that Carlton would have taken anyone other than Kreuzer. Not then and not now in a re-draft.

Unless of course you are rating what the players have done to date and then yes Rioli is no.1 with Pears, Palmer and taylor coming just before Kreuze IMO.

 

[Scatter]

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If you are picking now Cotchin's stocks have to fall because of his recurring injuries. As with Palmers knee injury. Both between 5-10.

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

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You are having a laugh if you think we wouldn't take Kreuzer at pick 1.

Cyril is ridiculously over-hyped on these boards. Very good young player but would not displace Kreuzer at 1 or Cotchin at 2.

Agree completely, Kruz was always going to be and will all ways be number 1 from that draft.

 

[Monkey King]

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It's another Case of the Overrated Rioli.

Even on exposed form Kreuzer would still go before Cyril... easily.

 

[dee64]

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Obviously Ottens, but given the state of our ruck stocks, he is our most important (add to this that I rate Ottens as the 3rd best ruckman in the game). But the difference is that Ottens is a proven gun, McEvoy is unfilled potential at this stage, while Harry has shown plenty, with plenty more to come.

How many years has is taken Ottens to be a proven gun? Any recruiter who uses a top 10 pick based on the players' short term impact, is a fool. Nobody should expect McEvoy to make an impact in his 1st 2 seasons, especially when he's competing for a place in a top team against seasoned ruckmen in Gardiner and King.

And you seem to forget that Taylor was drafted as a mature aged player. He was expected to have an immediate impact, which suited Geelong's purposes.

 

[Vegas.]

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How many years has is taken Ottens to be a proven gun? Any recruiter who uses a top 10 pick based on the players' short term impact, is a fool. Nobody should expect McEvoy to make an impact in his 1st 2 seasons, especially when he's competing for a place in a top team against seasoned ruckmen in Gardiner and King.

And you seem to forget that Taylor was drafted as a mature aged player. He was expected to have an immediate impact, which suited Geelong's purposes.

Ottens was AA in his 4th year, and had almost as many hitouts in fewer games in the previous year. He also kicked 20 goals and had 10 hitouts a game in his second year. Probably not a good example for you. But this isn't about Ottens, and yes, generally ruckman take time to develop.

However, yes - Taylor was drafted to make an immediate impact, to replace the AA CHB that we lost to a career ending injury. He has done that to an extent that none of us could have ever imagined, regularly beating the best in the game, while setting up and kicking goals going the other way with his long left boot.

McEvoy had chances this year, he played half of the games, and he might be a top 6 ruckman down the track (not a massive plaudit TBH), but I just can't have him anywhere near Taylor at this stage.

 

[Smiggs Pig]

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It's another Case of the Overrated Rioli.

Even on exposed form Kreuzer would still go before Cyril... easily.

Congratulations Monkey King you have proven yourself 'King of the Monkeys'. Kruezer more important than Rioli in the future - probably, Kruezer better than Rioli in the future - possibly, Kruezer better than Rioli so far - probably not, Kruezer easily better than Rioli over the last two years - your absolutely kidding yourself.

Rioli second in the Hawthorn B&F and an instrumental member of a premiership team in his first year. Kruezer, who I think will be a very good player, has been a contributor with some glimpses of excellence.

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

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Saints took a ruckmen because at that stage we had 2 ruckmen on our list who were basically 30. Wouldn't change that pick cos we've got a 10 year ruck duo in McEvoy and Stanley coming up.

Actually I saw someone had Grimes coming to us....yeah I'd probably take that.

 

[Moo]

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So Palmer is dropping (I assume because of his knee) but Cotchins stocks remain as high as ever?

Of course being BF everyone is going to bat for their guy (me included) but there haven't been this many partisan calls since the 1940
's in the Balkans.

To me Kruezer, Rioli & Palmer ...would be your top 3.

Krueze is a big man and hell Carlton are still suffering in that dept with him in their side let alone without him.

Tiges for mind would take Rioli - as would anyone else who was in the 2nd spot. He is a magnificent footballing talent and the Tigers need someone who is likely to play a lot of games.

WC would take Palmer - 1st year player copping the number 1 tag and still manages to win the RS? Committed too - for those of you who are not aware have a look into the prep this kid took the pre-season before being drafted ...not too many draftees are at his level (which is why I think he will come back from the knee and will overcome disposal issues).

Then it is a raffle ...Cotchin, Ottens, Masten, Dangerfield & Morton for me.

The positions on this list are at least 3 seasons away from being settled though.