2008 PDFL split

["The Roar Is Back"]

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Thanks. Do you think that the PDFL is expanding in the wrong direction (geographically) and should be heading towards taking in the KDFL Clubs instead?

Not neccessarily , personally would have preferred that if the league was going expand in numbers it would have do so within the current boundaries, not just continue to expand the boundaries and expect people to continually travel further.

 

[Doobie Renshaw]

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Not neccessarily , personally would have preferred that if the league was going expand in numbers it would have do so within the current boundaries, not just continue to expand the boundaries and expect people to continually travel further.

Are there other clubs within the current "boundary" (didn't know there were any boundaries!) that are interested in crossing to the PDFL?

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

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Are there other clubs within the current "boundary" (didn't know there were any boundaries!) that are interested in crossing to the PDFL?

Area, boundary, proximity, zone, district what ever you want to call it, if there isn't one within the region, radius, leave as it is, not sure why the obsession with extending the comp. personally don't think its improving it ??

 

[Ex Tee]

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Area, boundary, proximity, zone, district what ever you want to call it, if there isn't one within the region, radius, leave as it is, not sure why the obsession with extending the comp. personally don't think its improving it ??

how has league not improved?

 

[Doobie Renshaw]

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Area, boundary, proximity, zone, district what ever you want to call it, if there isn't one within the region, radius, leave as it is, not sure why the obsession with extending the comp. personally don't think its improving it ??

Then why did you make a point of highlighting 5 KDFL Clubs within the 65km from Picola. I don't quite get what point you are trying to make there. You're whinging about new clubs coming into the comp over the last few years, you've highlighted those 5 KDFL Clubs (are you suggesting they would be better off coming into the PDFL?). You've expressed your preference that the league be expanded by clubs within the "current boundaries" then a few hours later indicate as above that there are no boundaries. Do you think that the PDFL should just stay as it is, or even better, get rid of those other clubs that have come in over recent years?

 

[smooth mover]

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Word is - 16 round season. Rennie a top club on and off (I'm biased). Tell me, what clubs are (and are not) part of the Picola District? Geographically, what clubs should and should not be part of the PDFL? And based on your answers, should the league be called the PDFL or something else? For example. what the hell are some of the outlying clubs (i.e Shep East, Tuga, Jerilderie, Rovers, want me to keep going?) doing in the PDFL if you are so uptight about who is in the Picola League?

Well listen here doobs, first off all i'm not uptight about anything! all i want to do is play footy whether that be against 1 team or 50!!! secondly i'm a firm believer off "if it aint broke dont fix it" so i dont know why the vcfl keep changing the league around?? 4 new teams in three years is a bit of overkill especially when there wasn't anything wrong with the set-up originally! but anyway it's happened so we'll get on with it! next is the fact that the VCFL (VICTORIAN COUNTRY FOOTBALL LEAGUES) keep having to deal with the problems of nsw based clubs ie: jerilldrie & rennie! If they've got problems they should go to thier own states league board & ask to go somewhere else up there?? So effectively at the end of the day there is no point all us players, supporters, staff & club officialls arguing about it with each other on here when we have no real power to do anything about it!!! Bring on 09 i say!!!!!

 

[Doobie Renshaw]

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Well listen here doobs, first off all i'm not uptight about anything! all i want to do is play footy whether that be against 1 team or 50!!! secondly i'm a firm believer off "if it aint broke dont fix it" so i dont know why the vcfl keep changing the league around?? 4 new teams in three years is a bit of overkill especially when there wasn't anything wrong with the set-up originally! but anyway it's happened so we'll get on with it! next is the fact that the VCFL (VICTORIAN COUNTRY FOOTBALL LEAGUES) keep having to deal with the problems of nsw based clubs ie: jerilldrie & rennie! If they've got problems they should go to thier own states league board & ask to go somewhere else up there?? So effectively at the end of the day there is no point all us players, supporters, staff & club officialls arguing about it with each other on here when we have no real power to do anything about it!!! Bring on 09 i say!!!!!

Fair answer SM.

Perhaps the PDFL (and VCFL) should take it as a compliment that NSW Clubs are wanting to come into your comps. From what I have seen and heard, VCFL affiliated leagues are run far more professionally - this is one of the reasons why Jerilderie and now Rennie are venturing south. Don't forget though that NSW Clubs have been playing in VCFL comps (and certainly adding to them in terms of quality) for many many years. Imagine the Murray League without the likes of Mul, Barooga, Toc , Finley and Deni. Have a think about all the other NSW Clubs along the border in VCFL comps. NSWAFL is a bit of a rabble. Clubs like Jerilderie and Rennie were (and are) just trying to get off the ship before it sinks. I'd love to see NSWAFL get some control of their clubs and comps but it just doesn't look likely to happen any time soon. Subsequently, you can't blame the mentioned clubs for seeking to play in the best possible competitions (for their clubs).

If Rennie are successful in getting into the PDFL, I'm sure you will enjoy your footy against them.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

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Then why did you make a point of highlighting 5 KDFL Clubs within the 65km from Picola. I don't quite get what point you are trying to make there. You're whinging about new clubs coming into the comp over the last few years, you've highlighted those 5 KDFL Clubs (are you suggesting they would be better off coming into the PDFL?). You've expressed your preference that the league be expanded by clubs within the "current boundaries" then a few hours later indicate as above that there are no boundaries. Do you think that the PDFL should just stay as it is, or even better, get rid of those other clubs that have come in over recent years?.

Now Doobie don't get carried away, firstly the post in relation to the distance to Picola etc. was made some time ago and was re-posted to answer a question I think you asked.
Secondly I believe, if the league wanted to expand I personally believe it would have been better done without increasing the boundaries /area whatever, and if a club within that boundary area couldn't be found then don't expand, my apologise probably wasn't explained very well.
Personally think the league increasing has created a lot less friendly league and isn't as enjoyable, and is of no fault of the clubs involved.

 

[smooth mover]

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Fair answer SM.

Perhaps the PDFL (and VCFL) should take it as a compliment that NSW Clubs are wanting to come into your comps. From what I have seen and heard, VCFL affiliated leagues are run far more professionally - this is one of the reasons why Jerilderie and now Rennie are venturing south. Don't forget though that NSW Clubs have been playing in VCFL comps (and certainly adding to them in terms of quality) for many many years. Imagine the Murray League without the likes of Mul, Barooga, Toc , Finley and Deni. Have a think about all the other NSW Clubs along the border in VCFL comps. NSWAFL is a bit of a rabble. Clubs like Jerilderie and Rennie were (and are) just trying to get off the ship before it sinks. I'd love to see NSWAFL get some control of their clubs and comps but it just doesn't look likely to happen any time soon. Subsequently, you can't blame the mentioned clubs for seeking to play in the best possible competitions (for their clubs).

If Rennie are successful in getting into the PDFL, I'm sure you will enjoy your footy against them.

ah how good it feels to hear that new south welshmen want a part of something victorian because its a better set-up than their own states!! on a serious note tho, yeah having the quality clubs u mentioned playing in our league & the murray league has provided great quality football & some even greater rivalries over the years which is always great to have i think! The only point i was trying to get out before was that at some point u would think that the vcfl have got to stand up & say thanks but no thanks, not saying thats what should be done with rennie but at some point they have got to let the league settle down for a few years & just let the clubs get into a groove!? do they know how hard it is for some of the struggling clubs around that are trying to build all grades get full sides for each grade when each year the travel gets a little further & further! i know it only 1 extra travel & that is if u get them on an away game! But it looks from a players point of view that the vcfl only make these decisions based on how the league will look & not how it could affect each club personally! it all starts with the 4ths & 3rds but when they want to start changing leagues because of travel theres only 1 body to blame & thats the vcfl for not doing the appropriate & thorough research that this could happen! we can only hope that it will all help in the long run??? cheers

 

[Hand Grenade]

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Some very good points the last few days. Very healthy debate.

Let's bear in mind that Rennie have not been accepted into the PDFL as yet! Although I personally hope they are successful, let's not put the cart before the horse.

Smooth Mover you made some very important points regarding the issue of travel and keeping a 3rds and 4ths team going. Those are 2 of a number of issues influencing Rennie's wishes to go into your comp. The PDFL means less travel for Rennie (than in the Hume FL), and the future Rennie players (the juniors) mainly come from Yarra/Mul and the Grasshoppers can only keep them by coming into your comp.

I agree with your (and other's) concerns re the size of the comp. Personally, I think the ideal size is 9 or 10 teams. I guess if Rennie do get in, the only conclusion one can draw is that the VCFL are aiming towards eventually splitting the PDFL into 2 comps of that size.

 

[ark n go]

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Some very good points the last few days. Very healthy debate.

Let's bear in mind that Rennie have not been accepted into the PDFL as yet! Although I personally hope they are successful, let's not put the cart before the horse.

Smooth Mover you made some very important points regarding the issue of travel and keeping a 3rds and 4ths team going. Those are 2 of a number of issues influencing Rennie's wishes to go into your comp. The PDFL means less travel for Rennie (than in the Hume FL), and the future Rennie players (the juniors) mainly come from Yarra/Mul and the Grasshoppers can only keep them by coming into your comp.

I agree with your (and other's) concerns re the size of the comp. Personally, I think the ideal size is 9 or 10 teams. I guess if Rennie do get in, the only conclusion one can draw is that the VCFL are aiming towards eventually splitting the PDFL into 2 comps of that size.

not having a crack at u HG but if this is VCFLs aim why not tell the clubs involved in the league so that they can pass on information to supports worried about the affects of more travel ect.

 

[smooth mover]

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Some very good points the last few days. Very healthy debate.

Let's bear in mind that Rennie have not been accepted into the PDFL as yet! Although I personally hope they are successful, let's not put the cart before the horse.

Smooth Mover you made some very important points regarding the issue of travel and keeping a 3rds and 4ths team going. Those are 2 of a number of issues influencing Rennie's wishes to go into your comp. The PDFL means less travel for Rennie (than in the Hume FL), and the future Rennie players (the juniors) mainly come from Yarra/Mul and the Grasshoppers can only keep them by coming into your comp.

I agree with your (and other's) concerns re the size of the comp. Personally, I think the ideal size is 9 or 10 teams. I guess if Rennie do get in, the only conclusion one can draw is that the VCFL are aiming towards eventually splitting the PDFL into 2 comps of that size.

Yeah i'm not against the thought of these guys in the pdfl! Its always good to play against some new faces, new teams & new game plans/styles! i agree with ark that if it is the plan of the vcfl to split it into two in the coming years that maybe they shoulkd sit down with all associated clubs & let them know their plan of attack!!

Also i think that if they do split the league that they would have to change the name of the 2nd league rather than pdfl div 1 & div 2 because unfortunately some will see this as a down grade & wont want to be in a div 2 league! i personally dont think relegation system would work in country leagues (i know they do it in some melb leagues), so i think the only feesable way would be to change the name of 1 of the split groups if that is their plan!??

 

[Hand Grenade]

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not having a crack at u HG but if this is VCFLs aim why not tell the clubs involved in the league so that they can pass on information to supports worried about the affects of more travel ect.

I'll get back to you with that answer (straight after I come up with a cure for cancer, the common cold, and the winning trifecta for the Melbourne Cup).

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

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Found this upon the KDFL board anyone got any idea who the club might be ??


Bonge69
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Ive heard a club from pdfl has applied to enter but im not sayin a name yet just for suspense and it may not happen

 

[smooth mover]

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Found this upon the KDFL board anyone got any idea who the club might be ??


Bonge69
Re: Will there be any clubs joing the KD in 09? any leaving?

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Ive heard a club from pdfl has applied to enter but im not sayin a name yet just for suspense and it may not happen

Its not a pdfl team but i know that longwood have applied to join the kdl, not sure of their progress yet or if a decision has been made but thats on the cards? so when will we know who the pdfl team is that may be seeking a transfer pace?????

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

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Its not a pdfl team but i know that longwood have applied to join the kdl, not sure of their progress yet or if a decision has been made but thats on the cards? so when will we know who the pdfl team is that may be seeking a transfer pace?????

S.M. not sure who, which side, this guy is talking about which is why I posed the question, was aware that a BDFL club had shown interest to join the KDFL, believe it had something to do with the club losing points to all netball sides, because they didn't have enough turn up to a league meeting i think ??
Will keep an eye on that thread and inform when this poster revells the club.

 

[GrassKat]

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I've had yet another go at doing the VCFL's job and come up with this proposal. I don't know if I like it but I'll put it on here anyway. I have taken no consideration for the strength of each side (footy or netty) I have just based it on minor league status and the municipal shire in which each team lies. Here goes!

Greater Shepparton (8): Ardmona, Dookie United, Katandra, Merrigum, Murchison, Shepparton East, Tallygaroopna, Undera

Campaspe (9): Colbinabbin, Elmore*, Girgarre, Lancaster, Lockington-Bamawn United, Mathoura*, Mt Pleasant (Toolleen), Rushworth, Stanhope

Moira (8): Katamatite, Katunga, Picola United, Strathmerton, Tungamah, Waaia, Wunghnu, Yarroweyah

Could be joined with​

NSW (4-5): Berrigan, Blighty, Deniliquin Rovers, Jerilderie (possibly Rennie)

Strathbogie/Benalla/Mansfield (11): Avenel, Benalla All Blacks, Bonnie Doon, Broadford*, Goorambat, Heathcote*, Longwood, Nagambie, Swanpool, Tatong, Violet Town.

Which leaves the 3 'Bendigo based' Heathcote League teams, Huntly, North Bendigo & White Hills to join the Loddon Valley League to make a 12 team comp, with no widening of league boundaries.

* these teams do not lay within shire boundaries but are close by.

What do people think? ?

 

[BACKS SORE!]

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What does anyone think the out come will be tonite, with Rennie??? I reckon it's NOT looking good for em.... No offence to Rennie they seem like a good little club! But on the other hand it could become a 17 team comp after tonite. Good Luck Rennie.

 

[smooth mover]

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What does anyone think the out come will be tonite, with Rennie??? I reckon it's NOT looking good for em.... No offence to Rennie they seem like a good little club! But on the other hand it could become a 17 team comp after tonite. Good Luck Rennie.

I think they're guna get in, most people i've spoken 2 about it have said they think they'll get the votes so i'm tippin today is the last day of a 16 team pdafl comp & tomorrow is the start of the 17 team pdfl comp! lets see!

 

[Hand Grenade]

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Rennie didn't get in. Very disappointing. No further comment until things calm down.

 

[themagicfrog]

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No Rennie, 16 side comp ???, same draw as this year just reverse where the games where played and lets get on with, at least that way everyone gets to play every opposing side on their home ground within two seasons.

Rennie got the 9 votes they thought they only needed but according to the constitution they needed 11. They are not out of it just yet as all current PDFL clubs have until Friday week to decide how they want the PDFL to look next year, as in two comps under one controlling body or just have the current system again.
So all those out there that want a change this is the time to voice their opinions to those in charge. Those in charge who want change have quite a few options that have been put on here by the like of PTF and iwantanotherflag to work from.
Should be an interesting meeting next Friday and a nervous wait for Rennie

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

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Rennie didn't get in. Very disappointing. No further comment until things calm down.

No Rennie , 16 side comp ???, if so same draw as last year just reverse where the games are played and lets get on with it, at least that way everyone gets to play every opposing side on their home ground within two seasons.

 

[TOUGH]

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if Rennie do get in, does that make it a division 1 and a division 2 or do you need 18 teams in for that? because ya have to think about teams such as Mathoura who might have to travel to Rennie one week and then 2 weeks after have to head to Jerilderie that a far old trip for teams like that. how many % want Rennie in?

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

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Rennie got the 9 votes they thought they only needed but according to the constitution they needed 11. They are not out of it just yet as all current PDFL clubs have until Friday week to decide how they want the PDFL to look next year, as in two comps under one controlling body or just have the current system again.
So all those out there that want a change this is the time to voice their opinions to those in charge. Those in charge who want change have quite a few options that have been put on here by the like of PTF and iwantanotherflag to work from.
Should be an interesting meeting next Friday and a nervous wait for Rennie

Well now that the secret is out, personally think its a very good approach by the league , however think it should have been done previous to Rennies application and then given Rennie the opportunity to see which comp they may have wished to join, should it go that way.
Some of the options which have been previously suggested are :
NSW / VIC split
East / West split
North / South split
Relegation / Derelegation
Most recent joinees of PDFL / older PDFL clubs
Old Tungamah League / The rest
Old Tungamah, Murray League clubs/ The rest

 

[smooth mover]

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Well now that the secret is out, personally think its a very good approach by the league , however think it should have been done previous to Rennies application and then given Rennie the opportunity to see which comp they may have wished to join, should it go that way.
In doors for a bit today so will try to sort through this thread and get all previous proposals together, which involve the current clubs and /or Rennie, know with Rennie being included in, will throw a spanner in a few of the proposals, as posted by Magic it appears 2 comps. controlled by the one body is on the table, with Rennie likely to be offered the option of joining, or remain a 16 side comp.
Will also posts some possible distances travelled in each proposal.

Well personally in the end i was hoping they'd get in? oh well guess they got that small % of chance that they could still make it! good luck!! on the other topic i'm hoping big time that they dont split the leagues but if they do i really think that they should be named something different to div 1 & div 2 as i think it may cause a few issues & i think it would be more appropriate if each league had they're own name so they can be seen as individual leagues? but thats just my opinion! was really starting to like the idea of 17 teams with 16 rounds everyone plays each other once with possibly 2 byes then the following year all venues get reversed! easy! anychance this could still happen pace???