2008 PDFL split

["The Roar Is Back"]

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How can they announce the split when the vote isn't until Sunday Night. I also believe that if the split is to occur, then Rennie will be placed in the South/East comp. Yes...it would be nice to have Jerilderie and Berrigan playing against Rennie. But placing Rennie in the North/West would be hard for both Mathoura and Rennie with such long travel distances. You have to remember that there is a fourths that start at 9am!!!!

I think the vote will be very close on Sunday night.

Think clubs may be having some discussions amongst each other , which personally think is a good idea. Nothing has to my knowledge been confirmed or released, and nor should it be untill the meeting on Sunday night.
Think it only needs Katunga and Jerilderie, if they haven't already , to have a chat and you might see those to sides swap leagues from the recent proposal and most would be happy, think it would also be good for both clubs.
Comps would look like :

Katandra, Tungamah, Dookie, Shepp East, Rennie, Berrigan, Jerilderie, Waaia, Kattamatite.
and
Blighty, Deni, Mathoura, Picola, Strathy, Katunga, Yarroweyah, Wunghnu

 

[jetter18]

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Think clubs may be having some discussions amongst each other , which personally think is a good idea. Nothing has to my knowledge been confirmed or released, and nor should it be untill the meeting on Sunday night.
Think it only needs Katunga and Jerilderie, if they haven't already , to have a chat and you might see those to sides swap leagues from the recent proposal and most would be happy, think it would also be good for both clubs.
Comps would look like :

Katandra, Tungamah, Dookie, Shepp East, Rennie, Berrigan, Jerilderie, Waaia, Kattamatite.
and
Blighty, Deni, Mathoura, Picola, Strathy, Katunga, Yarroweyah, Wunghnu

from info gathered in the last 24 hours i would expect the vote to be extremly close as a few clubs have changed opinions in the last day or so, it will be interesting to see how these clubs vote. I am leaning towards it not going ahead, on info gathered but how correct the info is i am not sure, guess will find out sunday.

 

[YMBJ]

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My take on this is that it won't go ahead (the split) and would i be right in saying a 3/4 majority would be needed so 12-4, nah won't get across the line sadly, and that Rennie will not make it in this year, so where that leaves them is any bodies guess.

 

[smooth mover]

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Not having a crack at Wunghnu but it would make sense for them to be in the SOUTH/East comp than the NORTH/West comp, and on the Wunghnu subject at least they are in there each week trying there guts out, for which I admire them, but after your little rant I noticed you barrack for ESSENDON so that would pretty much explain your rubbish.

Ha Ha I like it, little bit of main league rivallry now!! Only prob is i think your confused?? you live in nsw & you barrack for a crusty team that is in sa?? need some help Ha Ha cheers

 

[YMBJ]

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Nah barrack for Sydney just stuffed up when I registered and not sure if I can fix it up.

 

[smooth mover]

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Nah barrack for Sydney just stuffed up when I registered and not sure if I can fix it up.

Oh thats ok then, well in that case i'll lend you some support! Yeah you can change it, next time you log on up the top of the page where u have a line of options go into "my big footy" once in there on the left hand side of the page u will have another list of options, bout 2nd or 3rd down it says "change my details" go in there mate & you'll be able to select your beloved swans! See us bombers supporters aren't all that bad are we?? cheers mate

 

[YMBJ]

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Nah not to bad I suppose, thanks Mate.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

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My take on this is that it won't go ahead (the split) and would i be right in saying a 3/4 majority would be needed so 12-4, nah won't get across the line sadly, and that Rennie will not make it in this year, so where that leaves them is any bodies guess.

2 3rds majority was being questioned as required to get the split over the line, but majority will see it happen, as per the constitution.

 

[GrassKat]

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I think that the PDFL will be a single comp in 2009. Not enough clubs will approve the split as is. Watch out if Finley and Congupna have another year in the doldrums. The proposed SE/NW split isn't the answer. Too many clubs are worried about having 8 team comps as it is too close to mayhem if a club falls over (hopefully not). If a split is going to happen in 2009 it will be in this make up I think:

SE: Strathmerton, Katunga, Waaia, Katamatite, Tungamah, Katandra, Dookie United, Shepp East.

NW: Deni Rovers, Blighty, Picola United, Mathoura, Jerilderie, Berrigan, Wunghnu, Yarroweyah

But again, very unlikely. Throw Congupna, Finley, Rennie & Tally in the mix and see what happens. Proposition them for 2010 and go from there is my bet.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

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I think that the PDFL will be a single comp in 2009. Not enough clubs will approve the split as is. Watch out if Finley and Congupna have another year in the doldrums. The proposed SE/NW split isn't the answer. Too many clubs are worried about having 8 team comps as it is too close to mayhem if a club falls over (hopefully not). If a split is going to happen in 2009 it will be in this make up I think:

SE: Strathmerton, Katunga, Waaia, Katamatite, Tungamah, Katandra, Dookie United, Shepp East.

NW: Deni Rovers, Blighty, Picola United, Mathoura, Jerilderie, Berrigan, Wunghnu, Yarroweyah

But again, very unlikely. Throw Congupna, Finley, Rennie & Tally in the mix and see what happens. Proposition them for 2010 and go from there is my bet.

I beleive it has already been discussed and agreed Rennie will be offered a position in the SE comp. if the split takes place, not sure of all clubs positions but would think most clubs would be in fairly reasonable shape financially , maybe numbers is an issue but that you would think will only improve with the split.

 

[GrassKat]

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I beleive it has already been discussed and agreed Rennie will be offered a position in the SE comp. if the split takes place, not sure of all clubs positions but would think most clubs would be in fairly reasonable shape financially , maybe numbers is an issue but that you would think will only improve with the split.

What you are saying is, once the split occurs there will be other clubs coming on board. Over the life of this forum I would say no less than 10 other clubs have been linked to being a possible PDFL team. Clubs like Hay, Colly, Billabong, Tally, Congupna, Finley, Goorambat, Violet Town, Benalla All Blacks, Rennie.... oh well there's ten, I am sure there is a couple of others.

Lots of teams worried about having 8 or 9 team comps and have mentioned the fact that if (God forbid) a team were to fold then they would be left in a 7 team comp. If numbers do decline then couldn't the leagues be put back together again?

A nine team comp is perfect. 18 rounds and you get 2 byes to keep the Mrs happy.

 

[Toss]

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Lots of teams worried about having 8 or 9 team comps and have mentioned the fact that if (God forbid) a team were to fold then they would be left in a 7 team comp. If numbers do decline then couldn't the leagues be put back together again?

A nine team comp is perfect. 18 rounds and you get 2 byes to keep the Mrs happy.

Totally agree with nine teams being perfect. I've played in 9 team comps before, and at least you get to play each team twice, so you look forward to the rematch.

Obviously all clubs will be involved next year, so why not give the split a 12 month trial??

 

[The Cunning Stunt]

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Totally agree with nine teams being perfect. I've played in 9 team comps before, and at least you get to play each team twice, so you look forward to the rematch.

Obviously all clubs will be involved next year, so why not give the split a 12 month trial??

Agree (whether Rennie get in or not). The proposed 16 team draw for 2009 is not a fair one for some clubs - those few that have to play a top club twice are immediately disadvantaged. I have read posts back to the start of 2007 talking about splitting the comp &/or taking in more clubs. The fence sitting and procrastinating (i.e putting it off another year to 2010) has to stop. Postponing this will not help the struggling clubs. In fact, those clubs with dwindling numbers and support will only go backwards further. Some clubs and people have to show some balls for once.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

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What you are saying is, once the split occurs there will be other clubs coming on board. Over the life of this forum I would say no less than 10 other clubs have been linked to being a possible PDFL team. Clubs like Hay, Colly, Billabong, Tally, Congupna, Finley, Goorambat, Violet Town, Benalla All Blacks, Rennie.... oh well there's ten, I am sure there is a couple of others.

Lots of teams worried about having 8 or 9 team comps and have mentioned the fact that if (God forbid) a team were to fold then they would be left in a 7 team comp. If numbers do decline then couldn't the leagues be put back together again?

A nine team comp is perfect. 18 rounds and you get 2 byes to keep the Mrs happy.

Yes believe at the same meeting Rennie was rejected from the current format the proposal to include Rennie if the league was split was agreed upon in principle and at the last meeting it was agreed that Rennie would join, be offered, a position in the S/E comp.
Obviously if a club did face difficulty then would think it would be changed to have 8 per league and if two fell over or left then it would go back to a 15 side comp, hence the reason for leaving both comps under the PDFL banner.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

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Agree (whether Rennie get in or not). The proposed 16 team draw for 2009 is not a fair one for some clubs - those few that have to play a top club twice are immediately disadvantaged. I have read posts back to the start of 2007 talking about splitting the comp &/or taking in more clubs. The fence sitting and procrastinating (i.e putting it off another year to 2010) has to stop. Postponing this will not help the struggling clubs. In fact, those clubs with dwindling numbers and support will only go backwards further. Some clubs and people have to show some balls for once.

Agree, time to change , could also be the reason those clubs that are thought to be struggling, are fully supporting the split !
Having been involved with a club which has been bandied around regularly as struggling, the biggest thing which affects the club is travel, which severly affects the clubs depth, which inturn puts pressure upon senior players to train regularly and therefore allowing clubs to win games rather than be in them till 3/4 time, and having spoke to a couple of clubs in a similar position this situation certainly isn't isolated, financially the clubs appear OK, just to big of a burdon on fringe or reserve players !
If they think there best chance of survival is via the split and the worst case scenario is, if 2 clubs falls over, to reform the league in its entirity, then thats what should be done. Clubs thought to be struggling get their wish and best opportunity to survive and those that aren't don't stand to lose a lot.

 

[BACKS SORE!]

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Well, Well, Well..... Tonight is D'day for league (Again)
I often wonder if Rennie didn't put in to come into the league weather we would be having this meeting???
But we can't be afraid of change either.... Hopefully clubs will see the big picture and realise we need another year to gather more ideas, and work things out properly... And "MAYBE" 2010 will be a history making year for not just the league, but for the whole district..

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

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My info is that it has been voted in favour for PDFL to be split in season 2009,at todays league meeting, the proposal from the last league meeting will form the base of the leagues ,with clubs having 7 days to inform the league in writting if wishing to change comps. and the league will then make a final decision on the make up of the comps. 14 days after that.
Some clubs apparently bitterly opposed the split and are considering their options.

 

[Hand Grenade]

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My info is that it has been voted in favour for PDFL to be split in season 2009,at todays league meeting, the proposal from the last league meeting will form the base of the leagues ,with clubs having 7 days to inform the league in writting if wishing to change comps. and the league will then make a final decision on the make up of the comps. 14 days after that.
Some clubs apparently bitterly opposed the split and are considering their options.

Rennie advised that they have been accepted into the split PDFL "South Eastern" Comp. Have to get approval now from NSWAFL which should be a formality. Fantastic news for the club, it's supporters and the drought ravaged district out there. Can now start trying to recruit some players now they know where they are heading. Looking forward to forging some new friendships and rivalries.

 

[Toss]

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I hear that the vote was a very close 9-7.

It's good to see that the league will split in 2009 and congratulations to those clubs who voted for it. Now the league can start moving forward and stop procrastinating about an issue that would probably happen (in some form) regardless of whether the league made the decision or the VCFL.

Great news for Rennie and those clubs who have struggled to get players in the past.

Now clubs can start recruiting and look forward to building better relationships and familiarity with other clubs.

 

[TTTT]

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I hear that the vote was a very close 9-7.

It's good to see that the league will split in 2009 and congratulations to those clubs who voted for it. Now the league can start moving forward and stop procrastinating about an issue that would probably happen (in some form) regardless of whether the league made the decision or the VCFL.

Great news for Rennie and those clubs who have struggled to get players in the past.

Now clubs can start recruiting and look forward to building better relationships and familiarity with other clubs.

i think clubs like picola, wunghnu and strathy will be more worried about keeping players instead of recruiting.

despite the split being approved i still dont think it will happen in 2009 with clubs trying to switch from one comp to the other. prime example would be berrigan who would rather be in the north/west comp and id say strathy, picola,wunghnu and yarra will all be trying to move into the south/east comp.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

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i think clubs like picola, wunghnu and strathy will be more worried about keeping players instead of recruiting.

despite the split being approved i still dont think it will happen in 2009 with clubs trying to switch from one comp to the other. prime example would be berrigan who would rather be in the north/west comp and id say strathy, picola,wunghnu and yarra will all be trying to move into the south/east comp.

Heard the same rumours , think it might all be a bit of the cat and mouse game !
Apparently the league has sort legal advice previous to this meeting which was , that if the majority voted at yesterdays meeting for the league to be split in 2009 , then that is what is to happen !!
Don't know clubs positions well enough but would have thought, Picola, Yarroweyah and Wunghnu would have wanted to stay in the North/West comp.
My info is Picola came up with the base model of which the split has been conducted, Wunghnu asked to be changed with Waaia from that intial base model, which had them in the South/East, and Yarroweyah I personally think would have preferred the N/W, as they would be left as the only side likely to be recruiting from that area to play within the N/W comp.
Strathy I can understand as like Berrigan, there nearest rival in Katunga is in the South/East comp.
All in all it is becoming a bit of a joke, about a month ago clubs were sent out a questionare, apparently to give feedback to the executive so they could make a decision based on all clubs feedback on which was the best way to split the comp.
That executive decision/ model has been put to the clubs and the clubs have voted in favour of that split, yet we are now asking clubs to re-submitt there wishes, been dragging on for to long !!

Matters which are apparently confirmed :
The split will occur in 2009 !!
Rennie if involved will be in the South/East comp.
Those clubs which are happy within the comp. they have been named in, will remain in that comp.

My thoughts on where clubs might be at ???? :
Katandra, Waaia, Dookie, Shepp East, Tungamah, Kattamatite will be happiest in the South/East.
Katunga and Berrigan may want to change.
Deni, Blighty, Wunghnu, Mathoura, Picola, Yarroweyah will remain in the South/East.
Strathy and Jerilderie may want to change.

 

[Charles Mac]

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You are spot on there PTF is it a bit of a joke. The majority voted so we all need to accept the decision and move on. The strathy, berrigan one is a talking point but there will always be clubs close to boundaries so we just have to accept the decision. Presonally i would like to see strathy stay in the Northern league as i feel it is important to keep some victorian clubs involved to keep the standard of footy up. Although saying that i can see why strathy would want to play in the southern league with the coach and recruits from shep.
The biggest thing we need to look at, is not next year or the year after but where the clubs and leagues will be in 5 to 10 years and we need to do whats best for then, not so much now.
All in all im looking forward to playing every club twice and finally getting to know a few more people around the traps.

 

[smooth mover]

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So pace with all this league split going ahead whats the plans for our forum? I know its abit early but are we still guna have just the 1 site for both leagues or is it guna get split also? My opinion ( if it counts ha ha ) is keep it as is so its alot more easier & time efficient to see whats going on in each league! Any other thoughts or ideas???

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

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So pace with all this league split going ahead whats the plans for our forum? I know its abit early but are we still guna have just the 1 site for both leagues or is it guna get split also? My opinion ( if it counts ha ha ) is keep it as is so its alot more easier & time efficient to see whats going on in each league! Any other thoughts or ideas???

Short term this forum/board will remain as one unless there is a exceptional reason/circumstance given for seperation which I don't see occuring and therefore any attempt by anyone to seperate the main thread will be dismissed.
Personally think the league and rightfully so will see clubs switch between comps for quite some time.
This particular thread may see some changes once all details are confirmed/finalised and most likely will form part of the main PDFL thread.

 

[theintimidator]

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My info is that it has been voted in favour for PDFL to be split in season 2009,at todays league meeting, the proposal from the last league meeting will form the base of the leagues ,with clubs having 7 days to inform the league in writting if wishing to change comps. and the league will then make a final decision on the make up of the comps. 14 days after that.
Some clubs apparently bitterly opposed the split and are considering their options.

Based on some discussions, facts, rumours and assumptions this is how I believe the final split may look.

Southern:

Katandra
Dookie
Shepp East
Katamatite
Waaia
Tungamah
Strathy
Yarroweyah

Northern:

Picola
Wunghnu
Katunga
Berrigan
Deni
Jerrilderie
Blighty
Mathoura

Rennie could go either way. But I still dont know why they are allowed in if the vote was 15-1 against them???

The above is based on strathy's (and yarroweyah's if what I was told by one of their players is correct) wish to be in the southern div. Have also heard the Berrigan and for some unknown reasen KATUNGA wish to be in the northern. Apperently Katunga dont beleive they can compete in the southern league finacially.