2009 Potential Draftee and Trade Watch

[muttonchops]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch - Version 2009

From a lot of the phantoms i have seen Matthew Panos dropping a fair bit. I reckon he is pretty good from the videos i have seen from him and would take him with our first pick but earlier it seemed as if he would be gone ny our first pick. Maybe not now. I reckon getting him would be great with our first pick. Thoughts.

 

[NakedDeadGuy]

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Interesting to see the guy I really liked, Mcmillan-Pittard, according to Bigfooty phantomers is going from anywhere from pick 14 to undrafted. For mine, and I know it's a bloody long bow to draw, he reminds me more of Kenny Hinkley than Kenny Hinkley did, and he's my favourite cat of all time. Think he would be an absolute steal at 40/42.

 

[Pivo]

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Well Im glad I'm not completely delusional. Thanks for your efforts

I think it shows that there are plenty of players out there that may be more than "just alright" , Mcginty and McMahon are names I haven't seen in Phantoms yet both look to have something to offer. I think we can find another tallish kid in the Rookie Draft desperate for a chance to play in the ruck for the Cats.

OK, I have a bit of an update for you Turbo on McGinty - if you can call it that.

It seems that Guilhaus (who was listed on the Glenelg website as #48) pulled out of league footy at the start of the year and McGinty took his number.

So, based on this - I'd say the guy you see in the clip running around in #48 is McGinty.

As for the other bloke - you've got me. We'd probably need to ask a Bays supporter.

 

[Turbocat]

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OK, I have a bit of an update for you Turbo on McGinty - if you can call it that.

It seems that Guilhaus (who was listed on the Glenelg website as #48) pulled out of league footy at the start of the year and McGinty took his number.

So, based on this - I'd say the guy you see in the clip running around in #48 is McGinty.

As for the other bloke - you've got me. We'd probably need to ask a Bays supporter.

Hey thanks for the effort P-man , maybe somebody on the Crows board can shed some light on it.

 

[meto]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch - Version 2009

Apart from a ruckman, I'd like to see them recruit a few tall midfielders 186 - 190 range.
With Joel Corey, J Bartell and Ling getting older, think its time to stock a couple.
We have Tom Allwright in the VFL, but the rest are smaller and the older brigade got the flick.
Seems that there's a few likelys around that 188cm size.
You'd kill for another Jimmy B, if there's one out there.

 

[year of the cat]

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Apart from a ruckman, I'd like to see them recruit a few tall midfielders 186 - 190 range.
With Joel Corey, J Bartell and Ling getting older, think its time to stock a couple.
We have Tom Allwright in the VFL, but the rest are smaller and the older brigade got the flick.
Seems that there's a few likelys around that 188cm size.
You'd kill for another Jimmy B, if there's one out there.

The beauty of the 3 you have mentioned is that they can all take a contested mark. Infact we probably have the best group of mids that can take contested marks in the comp. Allright is pretty good in that regard too.

If you are going to recruit mids then i reckon you do it on a "best available" basis rather than recruiting a taller player just because he is taller. In this years draft Stevens and Gysberts are both tallish compared with the other mids) but I don't think either of them are overly strong above their heads. Sheppard, whilst played more as a HBF, is very strong overhead for a guy his size. Would love to get him down to KP.

 

[Turbocat]

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Pivotonian , this the response form the Crow board

23 is him playing under 18's
48 is him playing reserves

It is a great illustration of how the tempo the game is played at around people effects how athletic they look.

If correct , he must have been boarding at McDonalds or something seems seriously heavier in the 48 jumper. In fact if you look at the Draft Prospects section on the AFL site he certainly seems a big boy. More than a touch of Mumford about him I think in that he could be a lot better in an AFL environment. http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/87070/default.aspx

 

[Turbocat]

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The beauty of the 3 you have mentioned is that they can all take a contested mark. Infact we probably have the best group of mids that can take contested marks in the comp. Allright is pretty good in that regard too.

If you are going to recruit mids then i reckon you do it on a "best available" basis rather than recruiting a taller player just because he is taller. In this years draft Stevens and Gysberts are both tallish compared with the other mids) but I don't think either of them are overly strong above their heads. Sheppard, whilst played more as a HBF, is very strong overhead for a guy his size. Would love to get him down to KP.

For marking mid , i don't mind the look of Matt Dea form North Ballarat. Has some speed and a nice leap another that could be a reasonable Rookie Id say.

 

[year of the cat]

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For marking mid , i don't mind the look of Matt Dea form North Ballarat. Has some speed and a nice leap another that could be a reasonable Rookie Id say.

Pretty impressive athletically isn't he?!! I reckon we may take a couple of mids as rookies this year as we were caught a bit light on in the VFL this season. With Tenace going as well that has compounded the problem.

 

[meto]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch - Version 2009

Three possibilities, Ben Cunnington, Dustin Martin and Koby Stevens.
Liken themselves to Joel Selwood all around the 187cm, marking mids.

 

[Pivo]

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Pivotonian , this the response form the Crow board



If correct , he must have been boarding at McDonalds or something seems seriously heavier in the 48 jumper. In fact if you look at the Draft Prospects section on the AFL site he certainly seems a big boy. More than a touch of Mumford about him I think in that he could be a lot better in an AFL environment. http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/87070/default.aspx

Well, they would know better than I but I'm still with you - they look different players unless the footage was taken a year apart or something. I thought he looked OK in the #23 but wearing the #48 he didn't do much for me. If they are the same player that is a worry.

Three possibilities, Ben Cunnington, Dustin Martin and Koby Stevens.
Liken themselves to Joel Selwood all around the 187cm, marking mids.

Would be great but there is no chance that Cunnington and Martin will be available when it comes time for Geelong to speak for the first time this Thursday. Personally I'd take Martin - the kid is going to be a jet!!

 

[Turbocat]

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Well, they would know better than I but I'm still with you - they look different players unless the footage was taken a year apart or something. I thought he looked OK in the #23 but wearing the #48 he didn't do much for me. If they are the same player that is a worry.

Would be great but there is no chance that Cunnington and Martin will be available when it comes time for Geelong to speak for the first time this Thursday. Personally I'd take Martin - the kid is going to be a jet!!

Agree , but assuming it is the same player then thats why I'd say he has the potential to improve like Mumford. 48 looks unfit and (as if he has been on the sausages) yet the 23 showed the skill required to be a player.

As far as Cunnington and Martin goes , it seems a lock for them to be top 5 . It would be interesting to be Richmond , take Martin ( a potential Rich) or take Cunnington ( a potential Bartel/Rooke). Have to say I love "the get the ball or die trying" attitude of Cunnington.Im sure he would suit the new North coach.

 

[year of the cat]

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We should have a bit of a comp to predict Geelong's picks. Perhaps give you're ideal scenario (realistic) and then you're prediction:

Pick 17: Brad Sheppard; Callum Bartlett
Pick 28: Callum Bartlett; Ben Griffiths
Pick 40: Joe Dare; Joe Dare
Pick 42: Sam Reid; Marcus Davies
Pick 56: Dan O'Keefe; Dan O'Keefe

 

[costanza23]

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From watching the highlights on AFL.com, Callum Bartlett looks really good. We need more skilled left-footers and this guy has a spearing pass, much like Rich. Even with his knee reco, I'd still be happy to take him at 17. Gives us more run with Wojcinski going in a year or two and will add to our more hardened midfield.

We need another ruckman. Ottens will only be around for another year or two, Blake seems to get too comfortable with his mediocre efforts and West is more of a utility. And big Smokey Dawson seems to be a bit of a dud. I'd like to see us get Nathan Vardy or Max Gawn with our second pick.

We also need another small defender (with D. Johnson and Donohue's departures), we really don't have any others in reserve. I like the look of George Long. Haven't heard too much about him, but I was impressed with his willingness to take on the opposition and his long kicking. Where do people reckon he'd go in the draft or will he fall to the rookie draft?

Daniel O'Keefe seems to be the best recycled player to take with pick 56, but that's just my opinion of the Swans taking him at pick 15 or something three years ago.

 

[theCATSfromHELL]

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My Wish List:

Pick 17: Koby Stevens
Pick 28: Ben Griffiths
Pick 40: Jasper McMillan-Pittard (I know, a man can dream)
Pick 42: Joe Dare
Pick 56: One of the players training with the team, not really fussed who.

 

[meto]

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Really like Koby Stevens, I hope they get him early, looks the equal of Martin and Cunnington.
Very strong body and hard in and under, good mark and size.
Possibly our best option with P.17.

 

[thejester]

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In the Metro/Country game I was really impressed with Stevens, but seemed to have not really backed it up during the carnival; in the WA game I think that was partly as a result of coaching but could also have been the OP. That's really seen his rating slide and we're a big chance at 17. Is a typical Wells/Bomber player, ferocious attack on the footy and generally has a good inside game.

 

[Pivo]

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We should have a bit of a comp to predict Geelong's picks. Perhaps give you're ideal scenario (realistic) and then you're prediction:

OK, I'll play and be completely wide of the mark

The beauty of picks 40 & 42 means you can have 2 cracks which makes it easy.

#17 - (Ideal) Carlise/Sheppard. (Realistic) Griffiths/Bastanic/Moore
#28 - (Ideal) Duncan/Bartlett. (Realistic) Duncan/Bartlett
#40 - (Ideal) Dare/Fyfe/Reid. (Realistic) Dare/Sumner/Craig/Fyfe/Astbury
#42 - (Ideal) Smith (I know Geelong ruled out going for him but...). (Realistic) Dare/Fyfe/Sumner/Craig/Astbury
#56 - (Ideal) Davies/Thomson/Winmar. (Realistic) S. Taylor/O'Keefe/O'Keefe

I know I have thrown a few names up so I bolded the way the guys I'd most like.

With the ideal Geelong would get a tall forward/defender in Carlise, a half back/forward/midfielder in Duncan, a half back-cum-pitch hitting key back in Dare, a possible gun/bust in Smith and a solid running back/midfielder in Davies to provide some depth.

On the realistic side you get a monster forward (possible back) in Griffiths, a half back/forward/midfielder in Duncan (I steered clear of Barlett due to Griffiths having a query over his body, first two selections on guys who had years ruined by injury was too big a leap for me), a half back-cum-pitch hitting key back in Dare, a guy who I might be paying overs for in Fyfe but does possess some real X factor and adds to some depth up forward in the small/mid range in coming years and then a real in and under terrier from NT in Scott Taylor who has (reportedly) a great work ethic, loves contested footy and could turn into a very solid player for that pick.

 

[year of the cat]

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OK, I'll play and be completely wide of the mark

The beauty of picks 40 & 42 means you can have 2 cracks which makes it easy.

#17 - (Ideal) Carlise/Sheppard. (Realistic) Griffiths/Bastanic/Moore
#28 - (Ideal) Duncan/Bartlett. (Realistic) Duncan/Bartlett
#40 - (Ideal) Dare/Fyfe/Reid. (Realistic) Dare/Sumner/Craig/Fyfe/Astbury
#42 - (Ideal) Smith (I know Geelong ruled out going for him but...). (Realistic) Dare/Fyfe/Sumner/Craig/Astbury
#56 - (Ideal) Davies/Thomson/Winmar. (Realistic) S. Taylor/O'Keefe/O'Keefe

I know I have thrown a few names up so I bolded the way the guys I'd most like.

With the ideal Geelong would get a tall forward/defender in Carlise, a half back/forward/midfielder in Duncan, a half back-cum-pitch hitting key back in Dare, a possible gun/bust in Smith and a solid running back/midfielder in Davies to provide some depth.

On the realistic side you get a monster forward (possible back) in Griffiths, a half back/forward/midfielder in Duncan (I steered clear of Barlett due to Griffiths having a query over his body, first two selections on guys who had years ruined by injury was too big a leap for me), a half back-cum-pitch hitting key back in Dare, a guy who I might be paying overs for in Fyfe but does possess some real X factor and adds to some depth up forward in the small/mid range in coming years and then a real in and under terrier from NT in Scott Taylor who has (reportedly) a great work ethic, loves contested footy and could turn into a very solid player for that pick.

I'm not convinced about Carlisle, though I have only seen limited footage of him so it is perhaps unfair to make an assessment. Apparently he had a slow 20m time at DC which makes me wonder how equiped he would be to run with a leading KP forward. Griffiths by comparison ran I think a sub 3 second 20m.

Have you seen anything of a kid called Donaldson? Apparently played ruck for WA in the U18 champs but is only 195cm and better suited to a KP. He also tested well at DC recording a sub 3 sec 20m time. His coach in the colts had a pretty high opinion of him.

Aside from Talia and Black it looks like it is a pretty thin draft for elite KP players. I wonder whether Wells will just use the first two picks to pick up the best available rather than drafting on a needs basis.

 

[Pivo]

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I'm not convinced about Carlisle, though I have only seen limited footage of him so it is perhaps unfair to make an assessment. Apparently he had a slow 20m time at DC which makes me wonder how equiped he would be to run with a leading KP forward. Griffiths by comparison ran I think a sub 3 second 20m.

Have you seen anything of a kid called Donaldson? Apparently played ruck for WA in the U18 champs but is only 195cm and better suited to a KP. He also tested well at DC recording a sub 3 sec 20m time. His coach in the colts had a pretty high opinion of him.

Aside from Talia and Black it looks like it is a pretty thin draft for elite KP players. I wonder whether Wells will just use the first two picks to pick up the best available rather than drafting on a needs basis.

Haven't seen Donaldson play so can't really comment on him however, as often happens on BF, players come in and out of favour by the day. A month ago people weren't talking too much about Bartlett and McMillian-Pittard but suddenly they are both top 20 prospects.

Not saying that isn't going to happen but sometimes we all fall victim to BF "group-think" either consciously or sub-consciously.

As such, I still think Carlise is a good developing prospect who can play forward and back and, in light of the poor perception surrounding talls this year, I think he is one of the better ones. Talia and Butcher will both be gone by the time Geelong has a pick so it comes down to the next best - I think Carlise is in that group.

 

[year of the cat]

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Haven't seen Donaldson play so can't really comment on him however, as often happens on BF, players come in and out of favour by the day. A month ago people weren't talking too much about Bartlett and McMillian-Pittard but suddenly they are both top 20 prospects.

Not saying that isn't going to happen but sometimes we all fall victim to BF "group-think" either consciously or sub-consciously.

As such, I still think Carlise is a good developing prospect who can play forward and back and, in light of the poor perception surrounding talls this year, I think he is one of the better ones. Talia and Butcher will both be gone by the time Geelong has a pick so it comes down to the next best - I think Carlise is in that group.

Fair enough. I wouldn't mind if Black fell down to our pick. Like Carlisle, he can play both ends, and has nice hands and handy kick on him. It appears though he will go earlier.

I reckon you are right re the "BigFooty group think". Twelve months ago I was pretty horrified when Gillies name was read out as our second pick when other, reputedly more talented, players were still available. Now of course I couldn't be happier having seen Gillies in a few games last season. It just shows that the perception that you get from watching a few Youtube videos can be pretty wide of the mark. The Bigfooty masses all follow suit, particularly if that highlights package is particularly impressive. Callum Bartlett is a case in point!! Every man and his dog now on BigFooty wants to pick up Bartlett this year after watching him turn a few people inside out on his video.

 

[Pivo]

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Fair enough. I wouldn't mind if Black fell down to our pick. Like Carlisle, he can play both ends, and has nice hands and handy kick on him. It appears though he will go earlier.

I reckon you are right re the "BigFooty group think". Twelve months ago I was pretty horrified when Gillies name was read out as our second pick when other, reputedly more talented, players were still available. Now of course I couldn't be happier having seen Gillies in a few games last season. It just shows that the perception that you get from watching a few Youtube videos can be pretty wide of the mark. The Bigfooty masses all follow suit, particularly if that highlights package is particularly impressive. Callum Bartlett is a case in point!! Every man and his dog now on BigFooty wants to pick up Bartlett this year after watching him turn a few people inside out on his video.

I think that is why this year's draft will be fun to watch unfold - last year I was pretty certain with the players I wanted to see in Geelong colours and thought I had them pegged but not one landed.

This year, there are a number of players I like the look of - for example I'd love to see Bastinac come to Geelong - but I'm just not sure how it will pan out. Man, I just recalled Luff from WA who I think could be value with the 40/42/56 pick and I completely left him out of my initial "guess".

Logic tells me they need to look tall in light of retirements and delistings but they may very well just back in their judgement and take best available.

Can't wait until Thursday night.

 

[year of the cat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch - Version 2009

I suppose that is the thing about having late picks - it is far more unpredictable. Wells himself always seems to throw a spanner in the works as well so it's hard to really know what you are going to get before the name is actually called out.

I have a feeling this year though that he mau just draft one or two local kids. Dare is one that both you and I have mentioned that looks to be just a good old fashioned tough footballer. He might lack a yard but makes up for it with footy know how.

 

[Turbo911]

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With our first pick I think Geelong will take the best available player.
I wouldn't mind seeing P28 - Panos, with the later picks on the likes of Luff, Houghton, Dare.
I also hope there is a ruck prospect that we could rookie list to replace Mumford as well.
IMO I think Geelong will draft talls with 28,40,42 & take best player with pick 17(either tall or mid), howver if we draft a tall with p17, 28 will be used on the best available mid. Pick 56 I think will be used on a recycled player.

 

[year of the cat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch - Version 2009

Reading Emma Quayle's blog in The Age today she has us strongly linked with taking Bartlett with our first pick if he is available. Wouldn't be unhappy with that.