2010 Best 22

[SaintsSeptember]

I thought Eljay had a breakout year, he certainly wasn't going to get any sponsorship from clearasil. ( I guess its probably bad form to joke about players we've moved on ).

I really can't see Riewoldt and Lenny stepping it up, I think they are in top gear already.
BJ still has some untapped potential.

Gwilt in the forward line still looks dangerous, even though he hasn't really been able to do much in the way of marking/scoring. He looks like he could. Can he step it up a notch or has he peaked?

 

[Squizz]

I thought Eljay had a breakout year, he certainly wasn't going to get any sponsorship from clearasil. ( I guess its probably bad form to joke about players we've moved on ).

BJ still has some untapped potential.

Gwilt in the forward line still looks dangerous, even though he hasn't really been able to do much in the way of marking/scoring. He looks like he could. Can he step it up a notch or has he peaked?

Apologies to Eljay if he is reading, but there is some amusement in that line.

BJ - definitely can impact more (although he seems restricted by his role).

Gwilt seems better on the softer grounds - more so than when the ball is pinging back and forward at Jihad.

 

[Plugger35]

Think Peake will be off half-back or the wing. I'm trying not to get too excited as some people think he's rubbish. But we have lacked pace and long kicking, an he and Lovett bring exactly that to the table.

Yeah Peake's best position is probably running off half back or wing, where he can use his pace. However, like Lovett, he is a good kick for goal on the run (one of our weaknesses with our current midfielders) so he should look at floating forward as much as possible.

I certainly don't think Peake's rubbish either. Like Farren Ray he has plenty of talent (shown when he finished 3rd in Freo's B&F in '06) but hasn't really fulfilled his potential, hopefully Lyon can get the best out of him. I also think playing in a more successful environment should benefit him and give him more confidence to display his attacking flair.

 

[Persevering Saint]

If you had Mark Harvey as a coach, would it be even possible to play well?

 

[Squizz]

He'd be more "dangerous" though.

 

[Saint4Ever]

B: Blake, Dawson, Baker
HB: Gilbert, Fisher, Gram
C: Goddard, Hayes, Montagna
HF: Ray, Riewoldt, Lovett
F: Schneider, Kosi, Milne
R: Gardiner, DalSanto, Jones
INT: King, Armitage, McQualter, Geary

EME: McEvoy, Steven, Peake

What are your thoughts guys?

 

[karmafree]

Nervously I have seen the light regarding Baker. So Here is mine, no fence sitting and some new joy to the line up, I am convinced we have to surprise to keep the other teams guessing. If it don't work you can go back to Blake, Milne etc. you know what you will get. Any thoughts on Del?

B: Baker, Dawson, Dempster
HB: Gilbert, Fisher, Gram
C: Goddard, Hayes, Montagna
HF: Lynch, Reiwold, Lovett
F: Schneider, Kosi, Steven
R: Garginer, DelSanto, Jones
INT: McEvoy, Armitage, McQualter, Ray

 

[dan0z]

FB: Smith, Dawson, Dempster
HB: Gilbert, Fisher, Ray
C: Montagna, Hayes, Gram
HF: Goddard, Riewoldt, Lovett
FF: Heyne, Walsh, Schneider
R: Koschitzke, Dal Santo, Jones
I: McEvoy, Blake, Armitage, Peake

just something different.. maybe by years end lol

something tells me gwilt and eddy have done there dash, could be wrong though..

 

[dg102]

Eddy is still young and hasn't done his dash by a long way.
Does anyone know will it be Gardiner/McEvoy starting ruck next season with King an emergency?

I really hope McEvoy, Armo and Geary play at least 20 games next year. Nothing compares to real match practice when it comes to development.

 

[paul of tuval]

1 - Wouldn't under any circumstances take Blake out of CHB. He provides the solidity (is that English?) that allows Fisher, Gram, Goddard, Gilbert to run and drive.
2 - I think Kosi needs to get his hands on the ball more and be more involved. We also know that Gardiner can play forward and his body may not continue to stand up to the rigours of ruckwork. So, I'd like to see Kosi and Gardiner rotate ruck and FF. Wouldn't hurt for McEvoy to also be included in such a rotation. I think Kosi was a failure, or at least under-achiever, as stay home FF this year.

 

[VivaLaRaza]

Hey Guys, long time reader, first time posting.
Here's my 22 -

Backs Baker Dawson Blake
Half Back Gram Fisher Gilbert
Centre Montagna Lenny Lovett
Half Fwd Ray Riewoldt Jones
Full Fwd Milne Kosi Schneider
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Ruck Gardiner
Rovers Dal Santo
Goddard

Interchange - Armitage McEvoy R. Clarke McQualter

EMG - Peake, Steven

• Dont fix you isn't broken and IMO our back six is looking perfect. Baker at least has another year in him before i think Geary will take his spot. Dawson should improve even more at FB.
• Lovett to add some much needed pace to our Mids
• Ray at HF makes pretty good sense to me. Were lacking that medium sized forward and he seems to fit it pretty well. Good height, fast and has an awesome pair of hands.
• A lot of people have left Milney out of their teams and i dont know why, yes his GF performance was a shocker but no other small forward kicks as much goals.
• I think Goddards permanent posi should be on ball. Superb skills!
• I've got Peak on the Emergencies, i dont think he will be able to break into our team that easily

 

[Alpha Male]

1 - Wouldn't under any circumstances take Blake out of CHB. He provides the solidity (is that English?) that allows Fisher, Gram, Goddard, Gilbert to run and drive.
2 - I think Kosi needs to get his hands on the ball more and be more involved. We also know that Gardiner can play forward and his body may not continue to stand up to the rigours of ruckwork. So, I'd like to see Kosi and Gardiner rotate ruck and FF. Wouldn't hurt for McEvoy to also be included in such a rotation. I think Kosi was a failure, or at least under-achiever, as stay home FF this year.

I think that's harsh on Kosi.

It was his first full year playing FF without Gehrig, Hammers, Buckets etc down there with him. Thomas threw him around too much and he never settled on a spot. To put him back in the ruck next year would be a step back I think. He needs to just get settled as a permanent forward over the last 5-7 years of his career.

I would, however, not have a problem with him playing CHF on a rotation with Roo. Kosi has the mobility to lose some of the big defenders on a long lead and I think he could get dangerous across half forward.

Just don't throw him back in the ruck because of one average year at FF. Let him grow and learn the role.

 

[StFly]

Quick hypothetical;

We all know that Kosi played and won his rising star at CHB, we also know that we lack a third forward which roams, and considering our game style last year produced a somewhat rolling zone format upon which the CHF pushed up further up the ground what if;

HF| Roo | Kosi | <player #1>
FF | <player #2> | Patto/Walsh/Lynch/McEvoy etc | <player #3>

As an optimum scenario? Roo has the tank and the ability to run all day and present as an option, Kosi can kick it a fair distance and float around the forward line as a key tall (FF/CHF) while the "other" could in th every least force a contest and if not work shift back to fundamental (Kosi - FF, Roo - CHF) format to achieve a "lesser role" as a focal point?

 

[Plugger35]

I'd expect Kosi to still play mainly FF, with maybe occassional stints up the ground in the ruck or across half forward or half back. However with Riewoldt being one of the best CHF's in the business and gun half backs like Fisher & Gilbert, there isn't really much need for Kosi to play in those positions. He's much more valuable playing deep in attack.

I'd also expect McEvoy to start getting more opportunities next season as both a back up ruck and a third tall in the forward line. He showed against Hawthorn that he is a decent marking forward and a good kick for goal.

Gardiner should play predominantly in the ruck, maybe floating forward occassionally like he did last season but he isn't really mobile enough to play as a permanent key forward.

 

[paul of tuval]

I'm worried about Gardi. No sane man would argue that he had anything less than a fantastic year and we mostly succeeded in keeping him on the park. We know that his body is fragile (remember, he came to us a physical wreck) and he's going to need more rest time. McEvoy isn't ready to be no. 1 and King's influence is going to diminish. That means more game time for McEvoy, more time on the bench or time as a stop and prop FF allowing Kosi to play upfield.
Alpha, I'm not harsh on Kosi. There's no reason why he isn't in the super-star status as Rooy, Lenny and a few others, but he isn't. If he's FF he has to kick goals, take pressure off Rooey and feed the small forwards. If he has the potential to do it, then at his age and with his experiance then he should be doing it already. If not then we have to find ways to utilize his skill best for the team. IMO taking ruck pressure off Gardi and having Kosi exert more influence around the ground solves both problems.

 

[Squizz]

From Ross's comments on recruiting Pattison, it is clear he wants two fit ruckmen going at all times to ensure we don't lose the structure of Kosi up forward. Whether or not I think Kosi is doing the job against the better defenders, or whether we spot up other forward targets who are in better position, that's what we're going with. Hopefully the midfield we now have will kick more goals and take the pressure off the key forwards.

As much as I rate Gardi, he is much more dangerous running towards goals as a ruckman than leading out of the square.

 

[ace_man]

baker - dawson - blake
lovett - chips - gilbert
montagna - hayes - gram
goddard - roo - gwilt
walsh - kozi - schneider

rucks - gardiner, dal, jones
bench: mcevoy, ray (or raph), armitage, mcqualter

emg: lynch, steven, king, peake, milne, geary, heyne, winmar, jesse smith

gee we have a lot of depth this is a very hard team to put together :-D

 

[VivaLaRaza]

baker - dawson - blake
lovett - chips - gilbert
montagna - hayes - gram
goddard - roo - gwilt
walsh - kozi - schneider

rucks - gardiner, dal, jones
bench: mcevoy, ray (or raph), armitage, mcqualter

emg: lynch, steven, king, peake, milne, geary, heyne, winmar, jesse smith

gee we have a lot of depth this is a very hard team to put together :-D

awesome team bro but how can you justify putting in walsh over Milne without even watching a game of his and Milne scoring 50 goals a year?

 

[Zagg]

For round 1:

B: Blake, Dawson, Baker
HB: Gilbert, Fisher, Gram
C: Ray, Hayes, Montagna
HF: Goddard, Riewoldt, Lovett
F: Schneider, Kosi, Milne
R: Gardiner, DalSanto, Jones
INT: King, Armitage, McQualter, Dempster
EMG: McEvoy, Steven, Geary

As the season progresses I'd like to see the 3 emergencies all push for a starting spot. If JWS gets fit then he's a good shout to be in, would be good to see Lynch, Stanley, Heyne & Walsh get some games as well (maybe Stanley up forward?).

Peake, Gwilt, Clarke, Eddy & Pattison provide more depth if we get injuries but I'm not convinced any of them are future Premiership players.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

From what I hear about Smith, if he gets fit he will be a better player than Clarke or Blake.
Unless Peake goes crappy in the NAB cup games, I think he will get games early on.
a) Lyon usually gives new players a good tryout.
b) The aim was to inject pace into the team, that won't happen with Peake at Sandringham.

Not sure who would miss out to get Peak in. Anyone can be under the pump.
Gram, Ray, Schnieder, McQualter, Dempster.... A game with the Saints is no easy gig these days.

 

[Monika72]

What I can't understand is that we got rid of the Goose and X cause we couldn't fix thoses two and we got Smith.
Another thing is that I believe that Peake and Pattinson will be great players for Sandringham.
Watch out for Steven, he will be the x factor in 2010.

 

[Red Gum]

B: Gilbert, Dawson, Baker
HB: Fisher, Blake, Gram
C: Ray, Hayes, Montagna
HF: Goddard, Riewoldt, McQualter
F: Schneider, Kosi, Milne
R: Gardiner, DalSanto, Jones
INT: King, Armitage, Lovett, Dempster
EMG: McEvoy, Geary, Steven,

Unknown or unlucky: Peake, Clarke, Gwilt.

Would love to see: Walsh, Stanley, Lynch, Heyne, Winmar


Probably unfit: Smith

 

[SaintsSeptember]

What I can't understand is that we got rid of the Goose and X cause we couldn't fix thoses two and we got Smith.
Another thing is that I believe that Peake and Pattinson will be great players for Sandringham.
Watch out for Steven, he will be the x factor in 2010.

Not sure that was the reasoning behind trading Clarke and delisting Maguire.

Assume a totally fit Clarke. Who do you drop from: Hayes, Montagna, Jones, Armitage, Lovett, Peake , Dalsanto, McQualter, Schnieder , Steven, Ray, Geary to get him into the team? ( And I have listed more midfielders than we would normally have).

The team I'd like to try out during the pre-season contest:

B: Raph, Dawson, Miles
HB: Peake, Fisher, Gilbert
C: Lovett, Armitage, Ray
HF: McQualter, Lynch, Walsh
F: Milne, Kosi, Schnieder
R: McEvoy, Jones, DalSanto

Bench: BJ, Steven, Pattison

 

[The Punter]

Probably a better exercise is trying to pick a 24 man squad (plus two substitutes) for the 1st Round of the NAB Cup.

B Miles Dawson Dempster
HB J Smith Gilbert Peake
C Lovett Goddard Montagna
HF McQualter Lynch Heyne
F Schneider Koschitzke Steven
Foll McEvoy Jones Armitage
Int Dal Santo Gram Clarke Ray Pattison Gwilt
Sub Stanley Eddy

And I still left Geary out. Anyone still think we have no depth?

Gram, King, McEvoy, Hayes, Lovett, Baker, Montagna, Riewoldt, Schneider, Gardiner, Clarke, Peake, Goddard, Gilbert, Armitage, Ray, Koschitzke, Dempster, Fisher, Dal Santo, Blake, McQualter, Gwilt, Steven, Jones, Eddy, Geary, J Smith Dawson & Milne are all well credentialled best-22 players.

I just named 30 players. I didn't name Lynch, Heyne, Pattison, Miles or Stanley.

 

[karmafree]

Pretty radical Punter. This will upset the conservatives a little. Where is Fisher? Otherwise I like the newness of it. We have to create something new as everyone else will be working on what we did in'09. We are now playing for 2010, with our great list we have to surprise and keep them guessing.