2010 Draft Watch Thread

[Salaryman]

Full Back for Swan D's.....I haven't seen as much WAFL this year as last, but I don't mind Ames....good closing speed, reasonably athletic and I thought he might have been worth a second look....at 27 I thought it might be pushing the age bracket

 

[Jimthegreat]

*insert Matthew Watson here* at pick 18 in all your phantom drafts.

Even though the 98 kg Watson couldn't outbody Darling and chase him down after being nudged under the ball, he will be a star and a steal at pick 18.

If Watson was playing against Carlton, a smart coach would rotate Waite, Henderson and our athletic rucks forward to get a mismatch. Or play White or Austin as defensive mobile tall forwards to negate him.

Pick Cameron Guthrie and draft the best tall defender with our second pick.

Guthrie could be the class medium defender and run with player that we need.

A possible upgrade on Joseph or even Carrazzo wouldn't hurt us if we draft Guthrie.

Can't be too bad if he was named All-Australian. While taking everything into account I wouldn't look at one game, one contest or incident in making a decision. I'm sure he has things he needs to work on but that's normal when you're 18. Darling's very good and a pretty strong boy himself.

If he's around at 18, we take him, unless there is someone better, maybe like Darling for example. If there's not one close to relative to the ability of pick 18 then go elsewhere. We need a KPD defender, won't be winning flags with out one, but we have to make sure we don't pick any old one either.

 

[Silvagnis]

Can't be too bad if he was named All-Australian. While taking everything into account I wouldn't look at one game, one contest or incident in making a decision. I'm sure he has things he needs to work on but that's normal when you're 18. Darling's very good and a pretty strong boy himself.

If he's around at 18, we take him, unless there is someone better, maybe like Darling for example. If there's not one close to relative to the ability of pick 18 then go elsewhere. We need a KPD defender, won't be winning flags with out one, but we have to make sure we don't pick any old one either.

Is the record of a 95 kg defender against boys a guide to an AFL career?

Recruiting the best KPD defender is just like withdrawing money from an ATM machine.

Money in the bank and a certainty to succeed!

Carlton has live picks after 18, but our first pick has to be used on a KPD at all costs.

Draft another Whitnall who was 95 kgs and used to set up play, but wasn't a great defender.

 

[Kramer1]

Is the record of a 95 kg defender against boys a guide to an AFL career?

Recruiting the best KPD defender is just like withdrawing money from an ATM machine.

Money in the bank and a certainty to succeed!

Carlton has live picks after 18, but our first pick has to be used on a KPD at all costs.

Draft another Whitnall who was 95 kgs and used to set up play, but wasn't a great defender.

Erm no, but a big strong defender who reportedly relies more on ability to
read the play rather than simply out muscle 'boys' is no doubt of some interest.

No need to add machine when you abbreviate ATM.

A more mobile Whitnall with a cannon for a leg??? We can but wish.

 

[Silvagnis]

Erm no, but a big strong defender who reportedly relies more on ability to
read the play rather than simply out muscle 'boys' is no doubt of some interest.

No need to add machine when you abbreviate ATM.

A more mobile Whitnall with a cannon for a leg??? We can but wish.

Is Watson a strong defender like SOS who can win one on ones?

Or is he a big bodied tall who is a good kick and set up play?

I believe the latter applies more to Watson.

Chasing Watson because he's built like a power KPD is similar to chasing a Sellar who looked like he could become an athletic KPP. Having a player who can kick would be a good addition, but I want a KPD who beats his man first and foremost.

The rest will take care of itself.

Gibbs has been the architect down back.

The reigning Premiers didn't use Brown, Presti and Reid to create, but O'Brien, Maxwell and Shaw when he wasn't playing on a wing.

Watson might have just backed himself to beat his opponents using his superior judgement. Yet at AFL level he's going to have to run with the likes of Nick Riewoldt, Pavlich, Franklin, Henderson, Kennedy, Tippett, Gumbleton, Hansen and Watts. Key forwards who will have just as much strength as Watson, but superior endurance, mobility and legspeed. Watson will have to slim down, improve his endurance and possibly be re-programmed to be a body defender at the highest level.

If the former Cannon is the gun defender like a lot believe, then he would have to be drafted a lot earlier than pick 18.

 

[Blue and Silver]

I see Watson as similiar to Brian Lake. Not particularly fast, but can beat an opponent by reading the ball better and is very dangerous on the rebound. Watson will not be playing round 1 unless he gets drafted by the Suns. Needs to trim down and build more muscle.

 

[Silvagnis]

Isn't Lake one of the quickest Dogs players over 20 metres?

I seem to recall an article with that claim.

Watson would be incredible value for the Saints at 24, but probably won't get to them in the first compromised draft.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Isn't Lake one of the quickest Dogs players over 20 metres?

I seem to recall an article with that claim.

Watson would be incredible value for the Saints at 24, but probably won't get to them in the first compromised draft.

I have always seen him as more a reader of the play.

Watson recorded a sub 3 second 20m sprint apparently. From what I saw doesn't use his speed to close down an opponent, which is the same way I see Lake

 

[TOPBLUE_25]

Think Watson and Bower would work really well together neither is awesome 1 on 1 but both read the play well and could cover for each other and both set up play from the back.

Really like the look oh Hallahan though.

 

[LemmingMaster]

I see Watson as similiar to Brian Lake. Not particularly fast, but can beat an opponent by reading the ball better and is very dangerous on the rebound. Watson will not be playing round 1 unless he gets drafted by the Suns. Needs to trim down and build more muscle.

Watson and his perception of being slow may be slightly over rated.

The guy is carrying a little too much weight for his size and can tone up.

He was running 20m at 2.98 @ DC ranked 22nd and 28th for repeat sprints. I think his real issue is agility and endurance, which I think would be ironed out with a reduction in his bulk.

He reads the play and has a booming kick, so if he lasts to 18, then I am unsure if we would overlook this kid. Obviously the club may rate him differently to myself or a highly rated inside midfielder my drop to our pick. Gold Coast potentially reaching for a few talls to stockpile for years to come, may allow someone to slip through the cracks.

With potentially our next first round pick taken by Buckley next year, we may have to reach for a tall this year unless we highly rate some options in the 2nd+ rounds this year.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Concerning GC reaching for talls:

They could take McCarthy, Lynch, Darling, Gorringe and will definitely acquire Day so depending on how they rate Watson he is a big chance to be at our pick. They also got Steven May as a zone selection and have Zac Fitzgerald (or is that the SA forward?) as a ruckman cum forward.

 

[Kramer1]

Is Watson a strong defender like SOS who can win one on ones?

Or is he a big bodied tall who is a good kick and set up play?

I believe the latter applies more to Watson.

I don't know as I don't follow the VCFL to any degree, but I can only assume you have watched a lot of the kid (not Youtube snippets) to hold your opinion as strongly as you do.

What's SOS got to do with the current state of play? His scraggy, hang on for grim death defense would draw a whistle at every play in today's game. The guy most agree to be the most accomplished defender of 2010 is built like a brick shithouse, reads the play like few others, and plays an integral role in setting up forward thrusts.

Chasing Watson because he's built like a power KPD is similar to chasing a Sellar who looked like he could become an athletic KPP. Having a player who can kick would be a good addition, but I want a KPD who beats his man first and foremost.

Chasing anyone solely on physical attributes is folly. Is Watson unable to defend? Is his physicality in a contest non-existent? I would have thought the AA CHB would have some defensive attributes to work with.

Gibbs has been the architect down back.

He has? Remind me to never let him design me a house.

What a terrible state we would be in with potentially two players cabable of creative play out of the backline.

The reigning Premiers didn't use Brown, Presti and Reid to create, but O'Brien, Maxwell and Shaw when he wasn't playing on a wing.

What exactly is your point? KPD's shouldn't have a creative streak to their play? These one time at band camp references you put up really mean nothing.

Watson might have just backed himself to beat his opponents using his superior judgement. Yet at AFL level he's going to have to run with the likes of Nick Riewoldt, Pavlich, Franklin, Henderson, Kennedy, Tippett, Gumbleton, Hansen and Watts. Key forwards who will have just as much strength as Watson, but superior endurance, mobility and legspeed. Watson will have to slim down, improve his endurance and possibly be re-programmed to be a body defender at the highest level.

How exactly did he rank at draft camp? What is his aerobic capacity compared to others that have been talked about? Must be poor given your responses. Carlton also need players equipped to tackle Cloke, Brown, Roughead, Bradshaw and resting ruckmen...these are the types that have ripped us new arseholes in recent years.

As I said I don't follow the kids much, but I get the feeling that you don't really know what you are on about, and jumping on anyone who dare hold a differing opinion.

 

[LemmingMaster]

Concerning GC reaching for talls:

They could take McCarthy, Lynch, Darling, Gorringe and will definitely acquire Day so depending on how they rate Watson he is a big chance to be at our pick. They also got Steven May as a zone selection and have Zac Fitzgerald (or is that the SA forward?) as a ruckman cum forward.

If GC only had pick 1 in the draft and the 16th team had pick 2, 15th pick 3..... Then I would hazard a guess that the placement of those talls would potentially be in a different order.

With so many picks in the first round, there is a chance that they may take a risk on a McCarthy/Darling which if you only had one selection in the first round, you may not be willing to take that risk.

That was my point regarding reaching for talls.

 

[Silvagnis]

I don't know as I don't follow the VCFL to any degree, but I can only assume you have watched a lot of the kid (not Youtube snippets) to hold your opinion as strongly as you do.

What's SOS got to do with the current state of play? His scraggy, hang on for grim death defense would draw a whistle at every play in today's game. The guy most agree to be the most accomplished defender of 2010 is built like a brick shithouse, reads the play like few others, and plays an integral role in setting up forward thrusts.

Chasing anyone solely on physical attributes is folly. Is Watson unable to defend? Is his physicality in a contest non-existent? I would have thought the AA CHB would have some defensive attributes to work with.

He has? Remind me to never let him design me a house.

What a terrible state we would be in with potentially two players cabable of creative play out of the backline.


What exactly is your point? KPD's shouldn't have a creative streak to their play? These one time at band camp references you put up really mean nothing.


How exactly did he rank at draft camp? What is his aerobic capacity compared to others that have been talked about? Must be poor given your responses. Carlton also need players equipped to tackle Cloke, Brown, Roughead, Bradshaw and resting ruckmen...these are the types that have ripped us new arseholes in recent years.

As I said I don't follow the kids much, but I get the feeling that you don't really know what you are on about, and jumping on anyone who dare hold a differing opinion.

Do you have any idea about him too?

Or are you subscribing to the group think that a KPD is best and a must get at all costs?

SOS wouldn't get a game today, yet Presti survives and O'Brien gets away with shepherding the man on the mark.

LOL.

I'm not jumping on anyone.

I don't agree that Watson is the obvious and right answer for pick 18 if he's available.

A creative side should be a fringe benefit.

We need a shut down defender first and foremost after you praised Watson for his ability to create.

It's OK to get moist over Watson, but not criticise the desire to get him in a Carlton jumper.

Watson and his perception of being slow may be slightly over rated.

The guy is carrying a little too much weight for his size and can tone up.

He was running 20m at 2.98 @ DC ranked 22nd and 28th for repeat sprints. I think his real issue is agility and endurance, which I think would be ironed out with a reduction in his bulk.

He reads the play and has a booming kick, so if he lasts to 18, then I am unsure if we would overlook this kid. Obviously the club may rate him differently to myself or a highly rated inside midfielder my drop to our pick. Gold Coast potentially reaching for a few talls to stockpile for years to come, may allow someone to slip through the cracks.

With potentially our next first round pick taken by Buckley next year, we may have to reach for a tall this year unless we highly rate some options in the 2nd+ rounds this year.

I want Darling (Melbourne will probably get him), Mitchell or Cook for Carlton.

We keep hearing the rhetoric about our backline, but we also need to get a big body to partner Henderson.

The 28 year old (next year) Waite isn't a genuine KPF.

 

[Claypigeon]

While other teams could be after depth in the KPP department, I think mainly Carlton, Hawthorn, Geelong and possibly Saints (Bulldogs?) appear desperate for one and those teams have picks after us, except for Geelong. .. So there is a good chance that someone like Watson could make it to our pick but after that I see the KP stocks dwindling fast before our next pick. ..

 

[mickelboy182]

Do you have any idea about him too?

Or are you subscribing to the group think that a KPD is best and a must get at all costs?

SOS wouldn't get a game today, yet Presti survives and O'Brien gets away with shepherding the man on the mark.

LOL.

I'm not jumping on anyone.

I don't agree that Watson is the obvious and right answer for pick 18 if he's available.

A creative side should be a fringe benefit.

We need a shut down defender first and foremost after you praised Watson for his ability to create.

It's OK to get moist over Watson, but not criticise the desire to get him in a Carlton jumper.

I want Darling (Melbourne will probably get him), Mitchell or Cook for Carlton.

We keep hearing the rhetoric about our backline, but we also need to get a big body to partner Henderson.

The 28 year old (next year) Waite isn't a genuine KPF.

You're critical of Watson for pace issues and upside and then you say you want Mitchell.... Rightio.

 

[Silvagnis]

You're critical of Watson for pace issues and upside and then you say you want Mitchell.... Rightio.

Mitchell isn't a defender.

Geez.

 

[son of dominator]

While other teams could be after depth in the KPP department, I think mainly Carlton, Hawthorn, Geelong and possibly Saints (Bulldogs?) appear desperate for one and those teams have picks after us, except for Geelong. .. So there is a good chance that someone like Watson could make it to our pick but after that I see the KP stocks dwindling fast before our next pick. ..

I think GC will pick him up with 1 of their top 20 picks that are all before us

 

[Kramer1]

Do you have any idea about him too?

Or are you subscribing to the group think that a KPD is best and a must get at all costs?

SOS wouldn't get a game today, yet Presti survives and O'Brien gets away with shepherding the man on the mark.

Never purported to having any idea on the coming draft, or being fixed on drafting Watson...it just seems anytime his name is mentioned you jump up and down stating what a mistake it would be, and I am not sure why you hold such an opinion. If you are a keen follower of the TAC Cup it has not been apparent to date.

And I don't like the fact that as with most of your arguments you use exaggerated or irrelevant examples to get your point across. IE Drafting Watson who runs a sub 3 second 20 would be the second coming of Lance Whitnall. SOS would struggle big time without altering his play markedly. **** knows what O'Brien shepherding a man on the mark has to do with anything remotely related to this thread.

I don't agree that Watson is the obvious and right answer for pick 18 if he's available.

That and a little bit of sound reasoning is really all need be said then.

A creative side should be a fringe benefit.

I think it a whole lot more than a fringe benefit in today's game, but carry on.

We need a shut down defender first and foremost after you praised Watson for his ability to create.

Haven't you been praying for McCarthy to slide in other threads, whose self admitted area to work on is accountability for his direct opponent. LOL.

I want the defender that's never been beaten in a contest. We should get him.

 

[Claypigeon]

I think GC will pick him up with 1 of their top 20 picks that are all before us

true, if he is good as some say he is. .. but that might mean another KP is available. .. My main point was that there wont be many decent KPs left at pick 33. .. With so many picks and apparently such a strong draft, its hard to tell who will be left at pick 18. ..

 

[Silvagnis]

Re: Draftspace 2010

Carlton should look for the next Hartlett and Edwards with picks 18 and 33.

Need is more important than talent.

Hartlett had a thumping kick like Watson.

Carlton won't win a flag without potential talls such as Edwards and Hartlett.

 

[Silvagnis]

Never purported to having any idea on the coming draft, or being fixed on drafting Watson...it just seems anytime his name is mentioned you jump up and down stating what a mistake it would be, and I am not sure why you hold such an opinion. If you are a keen follower of the TAC Cup it has not been apparent to date.

And I don't like the fact that as with most of your arguments you use exaggerated or irrelevant examples to get your point across. IE Drafting Watson who runs a sub 3 second 20 would be the second coming of Lance Whitnall. SOS would struggle big time without altering his play markedly. **** knows what O'Brien shepherding a man on the mark has to do with anything remotely related to this thread.


That and a little bit of sound reasoning is really all need be said then.


I think it a whole lot more than a fringe benefit in today's game, but carry on.



Haven't you been praying for McCarthy to slide in other threads, whose self admitted area to work on is accountability for his direct opponent. LOL.

I want the defender that's never been beaten in a contest. We should get him.

Why should put Watson forward without explaining it?

All that matter is that he's massive and potential KPD.

It's Talia all over again.

I brought up SOS because you get said get a player who can create, when we need a guy who can beat his man.

I think you suggested that we should get 33 and Sellar for Jacobs, so you can LOL at your own posts. Stating that SOS wouldn't get a game today is dumber than anything celtic_pride has ever written. Especially with Dawson and that plodder Nathan Brown playing in the GF.

O'Brien gets away with bending the rules, so why couldn't SOS?

Prestigiacomo got away with grappling and holding Fevola in the umpires' blind spots.

I want McCarthy because he looks better overhead and more athletic than Watson.

Brown started faster than Reid and Frawley who are now better defenders than the manchild they drafted with pick 10.

 

[Kramer1]

All that matter is that he's massive and potential KPD.

Getting harder to wade through your sarcasm. You and I both know that's not the case. He reportedly has a booming accurate kick, something we could sorely use. He reads the play well, again something we could use in a defender. He is a muscular build, and whether it is a feature of his game now or not you would have to think this makes him better equipped to potentially handle the guys who have torn shreds off us in recent years.

It's Talia all over again.

Not in the least. As more a third tall Talia was never an obvious fit for need.

I brought up SOS because you get said get a player who can create, when we need a guy who can beat his man.

Any reason we can't have one that can do both? McCarthy may be a better footballer, who knows, but if beating ones man is your primary qualifier do you think you might be on he wrong horse?

I think you suggested that we should get 33 and Sellar for Jacobs, so you can LOL at your own posts. Stating that SOS wouldn't get a game today is dumber than anything celtic_pride has ever written. Especially with Dawson and that plodder Nathan Brown playing in the GF.

Not sure if I did, but yeah I'd take 33 and Sellar over what we got for Jacobs. Don't get antsy because you were caught out making things up as you go along. Do you want to point out where I said SOS wouldn't get a game. I said if he played the game in the fashion we all know and love he wouldn't get very far...you wanna debate it knock yourself out.

O'Brien gets away with bending the rules, so why couldn't SOS?

How does that even border on being relevant. Different era, player, position, and action. A stretch even by your standards. Look at some of the minor holds and infringements Jamison got pinged for this year...and then dig up a few youtube clips of SOS at his best (you've no doubt got a few in the library). Get back to me when the penny drops.

Prestigiacomo got away with grappling and holding Fevola in the umpires' blind spots.

A lot of people got a way with a lot of things on Fev as he was a tool who curried no favour with the umpires.

I want McCarthy because he looks better overhead and more athletic than Watson.

I thought we needed someone who could stop his man?

Brown started faster than Reid and Frawley who are now better defenders than the manchild they drafted with pick 10.

What exactly is the relevance to here Watson here? Should we be going for physically under developed players? Your thoughts on football are like snow flakes...no two are the same.

 

[Azul]

Since we're taking Kieran Harper at pick 18, can we put all these Watson speculations to rest?

 

[LemmingMaster]

Look at some of the minor holds and infringements Jamison got pinged for this year...and then dig up a few youtube clips of SOS at his best (you've no doubt got a few in the library). Get back to me when the penny drops.

While you can knock SOS's style of defending, he would no doubt adapt. He would have to change his tactics no doubt, but so would the forwards that he used to play against. SOS was the master at walking that fine line between free kick and good defence, almost the best from memory.