2010 Potential Draftee and Trade Watch

[Turbocat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

I will be interested to hear peoples views on free agency that will come in a couple of years time. It should coincide with a number of key retirements from our team and therefore should free up a lot of cash. It will also coincide with (as a few previous posters have eluded to) our next possible premiership window around 2013-14. So i would think when free agency does come in we will be cashed up and ready to go. It will be interesting to see if we go down this path. It would help fill any possible gaps in our list when we next challenge.

Thoughts?

I tend to agree with Pure.

The main use of FA will be the "icing" factor rather than the cake. The question will be what quality player can a club access thru FA. If we look at Ablett for instance he would have qualified for Full-FA after another season at Geelong , obviously most think he has several quality years left in him so quality should be there.
It will be a return of sorts to a time past. Getting players to a club @ 27 odd was done far more often. How old was Peake when he came to Geelong. Perhaps what we will see is change back to a much shorter required service , not really worrying about having to play 100 odd games just whether they can help win games now.
It would be an interesting study actually , who would we have chased for 2011 if the rule had of been in.

 

[The rabbi]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Free agency will have some restrictions on it...will it not?

I do not know exactly what "free agency" implies.

Could this result in the old days where in a period of 30 years only a few clubs can win premierships while poorer clubs continually battle for the wooden spoon?

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Free agency will have some restrictions on it...will it not?

I do not know exactly what "free agency" implies.

Could this result in the old days where in a period of 30 years only a few clubs can win premierships while poorer clubs continually battle for the wooden spoon?

As I know it:

Salary Cap will still apply to all clubs so unlike what has happened to us with the GC mongrels, any club will have to fit any FA in their SC. So I doubt we will have a separation of the League into the haves and havenots.

FA , will firstly be limited and will apply to the players at a club who has 1, played there for 8 years and 2, not in the clubs top 25%.
Full FA will kick in after 10 years and will no longer be limited by current wage.

So , to put some meat on the bones of that , if we exclude the top 10 paid players at the Cattery (eg. Bartel, Selwood, Chapman, Scarlett, Ottens, Enright, Kelly, Johnson, Ling, Corey) then a player like Mackie or Wojo or Josh Hunt would , when uncontracted , be able to select a destination club and have total control over where he takes his talents.

What will hurt more is when a club lose's a player in the best 10 players, due to SC restraints this will not happen as often but it will happen.It may be more like the old day's when Stan Alves and his like crossed clubs for a flag chance after years at a bottom club. Imagine FA was in now , imagine if a Pavlich type had come on the market and decided that money was not the key factor but wanted a chance for a flag , so he selects to go to the Pies.

IMO ,in the cool light of day, I have no problem with limited FA. In all likelyhood , to move clubs the player will jump into the new clubs top 25% and after 8 years in the AFL , at 1 club if they can get a serious jump in pay good on them. Of course once a player from my club say's they want to go , it makes it a little more emotive.I suspect the club loosing the player will receive a pick in a similar way to what's happen with the GC.

As we have seen with Ablett , the pain will come when Franchise players decide to move.

 

[The rabbi]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Thanks for that Turbo.

 

[thejester]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

I'm not to worried about FA and indeed I think in the short term it's probably going to be a good thing for us. GC and GWS have/will strip mine the available prospect pool and while that means they should be scarily good they're still constrained by the salary cap and the same forces that have affected us over the last few years. Since 2007 we've had what, roughly 10-12 players of elite calibre in the squad? They've had to take pay cuts to stay together, we've consistently lost fringe players because of money and lack of opportunity, and ultimately we couldn't afford to keep our best player. All those factors - plus the fact they're probably going to be strong players in the draft for the next several years thanks to banked compensation picks and the fact they won't be very good - means they're going to be turning over players who were good-to-elite juniors pretty quickly. And I reckon that'll really start to kick in in 3-4 years, when a significant portion of our guns have retired and we'll have a lot of salary cap room available.

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

It is an intriguing topic and it probably deserve a thread of it own , not in the Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised one.

Im not sure I follow your train of thought Jester. Do you anticipate us using FA to grab some mature guys or do we try pick up some talented cast offs from the GC/GWS which will have to be done in the more tradition manor?. I do agree , they will not be able to keep every kid happy. All of them will be expecting to play roles like they have thru Jr's and some will not get that chance. How many can play on the ruck for instance. If we can pick up one or two disgruntled kids we will have done well.

 

[Partridge]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Happy with the kids we drafted. Smedts seems to have real class and evasiveness, Guthrie might be vanilla to some, but I think he's much more, and he fills a hole our list was crying out for. Horlin Smith has a heap of upside and Schroder is a fair upgrade on Djerrkura. Obviously rapt to get Walker too, and Simpkin does have the talent to make a 2nd go at AFL level work.

You bastard PO. You doing palm-reading on the side?

 

[year of the cat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.



I can't see us taking both Smith and Andreoli in the same draft. I reckon we will only look at Andreoli if we pass on Smith with pick 15 and he is subsequently taken before our pick 23. Despite really liking Andreoli, he is a pretty similar type to Smith so really only one of the two is necessary I reckon. I would instead look at Guthrie as a replacement for Ling as that defensive mid type. See that you have him going a couple of spots before our pick so perhaps if this scenario played out I would look at Butcher who can play both inside and outside.

Really good mock though P_O!! Enjoyed reading it.

Love looking back sometimes!!

 

[Pivo]

Love looking back sometimes!!

It is interesting.

It seems Carlton is a place decent big men go to die.

A lot of love for Watson (esp. by yours truly) and Pat McCarthy.

Watson has made no impact and McCarthy was delisted recently.

 

[thejester]

Love looking back sometimes!!

Not that I can complain about this draft but reading this thread still makes me sad about Luke Parker

 

[year of the cat]

It is interesting.

It seems Carlton is a place decent big men go to die.

A lot of love for Watson (esp. by yours truly) and Pat McCarthy.

Watson has made no impact and McCarthy was delisted recently.

Seem to remember P_O was very keen on Watson as well. I was a little concerned with his lack of speed and lateral movement. That said, it's a tough business drafting talls - a lot more hit and miss I reckon than mids. Watson may still work out but I'm not sure Carlton is the best club to be at when it comes to player developement.

 

[year of the cat]

Not that I can complain about this draft but reading this thread still makes me sad about Luke Parker

He has been every bit as good as you thought he may be Jester.

 

[Turbocat]

Sometime these thread can embarrass but I was basically happy looking back at it. Not sure if we had a Draft comp that year but I think I had Guthrie as one of our picks.

It does show the importance of time in the system , base lining putting a good foundation into the picks. I suspect (could be wrong) that Caddy would be a better player if he had been at Geelong from the start.
It was only a short time ago I thought Hamling was going to be a Brown type situation. Watching him last week I'll eat my words , he looks like he may be a very handy pick. The time at the foundation seems to be have well spent.

 

[meto]

Hamling looks like a young developing HarryT, will be up against some tall timber tomorrow in the Grand Final, a good test.

 

[Strangled Cat]

Not that I can complain about this draft but reading this thread still makes me sad about Luke Parker

As much as I like Horlin-Smith, Parker has turned into a very important player for the Swans. Luke Parker is the absolute Joel Corey replacement. Let's just hope that Hyphen has a big 2014 and can repay the faith in all who believed in him. I personally think Hyphen will turn out great, but I'm not sure if he'll end up being better than Parker.