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Gutless effort by Hannebery to dodge the head-to-head with Rockliff :D

Hannebury has been great, but Rockliff has had the better season, just didn't generate the media bandwagon.
 
Stratton really impressed me yesterday, agreed.
Garlett is not top 5, based on McKinley's 40+ goals the other year and barely got a vote..
 
Ted said:
Gutless effort by Hannebery to dodge the head-to-head with Rockliff :D

Hannebury has been great, but Rockliff has had the better season, just didn't generate the media bandwagon.
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The media generally anoint someone by round 10 and then the groupthink is almost impossible to shake from then on.

Hannebury has been great but I (bias aside) think Rockliff has been at least as good. The funny/frustrating thing is that Rockliff will probably finish fifth or something, just because he didn't manage to capture the media attention.
 

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5. Hanneberry
4. Scully
3. Rockliff
2. Stratton
1. Reid
 
5. Hannebery
4. Scully
3. Stratton
2. Rockliff
1. Trengove

I'm comfortable with the top 4 but I'm not sure about the last vote. Garlett, Reid, Grant, Fyfe and Bastinac worthy as well.
 
Grant's ineligible, if you're going to include him in the votes you need to include Martin obv.
 
5 - Hannebery
4 - Scully
3 - Rockliff
2 - Bastinac
1 - Trengove

Stupid people in the media keep saying "if martin was eligible he would win". someone said it and others thought it sounded good imo, would have him in for the 2 if eligible
 
I reckon Scully's year is slightly underrated. He'd be my top pick.

He pips Hannebery in every 'average' category for a midfielder. More disposals, tackles, clearances, contested possessions, uncontested possessions, 1%'s, inside 50's, rebound from 50's - everything. And it's his first year in the AFL system. His engine is already elite, which is extraordinary, and he has explosive pace that Hannebery and most lack.

His best game is the equal of Hannebery's best game, but his next best probably trails Hannebery's next couple of best.

Hannebery will win it and is certainly deserving, but Scully has legitimate claims.
 
GALON said:
Yeah, but I'm saying if I see that player get a 3,2 or 1 and Stratton get nothing, I'll have a laugh.
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Well, it happened.

Not sure I'm laughing about it, but it just goes to show how the concept is tainted towards high draft picks with a 'name' rather than output.
 

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GALON said:
Well, it happened.

Not sure I'm laughing about it, but it just goes to show how the concept is tainted towards high draft picks with a 'name' rather than output.
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well stratton hasn't been THAT good, sure he's done well in his first year, but he hasn't been as good as everyone says, for his first year he has been excellent and has done great things in patches, not consistantly. Hawks supporters see one or two courageous marks a game and think he should poll well in the rising star....
 
ThePuppetMaster said:
well stratton hasn't been THAT good, sure he's done well in his first year, but he hasn't been as good as everyone says, for his first year he has been excellent and has done great things in patches, not consistantly. Hawks supporters see one or two courageous marks a game and think he should poll well in the rising star....
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No, Hawks supporters see a kid who came in and held his spot for the entire year in the backhalf playing KP, filling a void that was left while Gibson sat on the sidelines, and having to contend with being under the pump most weeks.
Anyone who's watched Stratton and the Hawks for the entirety of the year knows that he's in our best 2 or 3 performed defenders with Guerra and Murphy in 2010, and the fact he's had to do it against genuine key forwards is why he really should've gotten more recognition( as should Ried, although he certainly has better players around him to help in Maxwell, O'Brien, Presti etc).
The fact that a backman who is given a task each week and a player to mind, goes unnoticed, while a midfielder who's 5th or 6th string can rack up 20 odd possessions each week gets plaudits just doesn't sit right with me. There has to be more balance to it than that.

And I'm not taking anything away from Hannebery(well deserved winner) and others, I just think that some of these 'judges' need to show a bit more perspective of what roles each of the nominees fulfil.
 
Bastinac not a chance as expected. Some North supporters really do need to a take off the goggles and get a ****ing clue!!
 
GALON said:
No, Hawks supporters see a kid who came in and held his spot for the entire year in the backhalf playing KP, filling a void that was left while Gibson sat on the sidelines, and having to contend with being under the pump most weeks.
Anyone who's watched Stratton and the Hawks for the entirety of the year knows that he's in our best 2 or 3 performed defenders with Guerra and Murphy in 2010, and the fact he's had to do it against genuine key forwards is why he really should've gotten more recognition( as should Ried, although he certainly has better players around him to help in Maxwell, O'Brien, Presti etc).
The fact that a backman who is given a task each week and a player to mind, goes unnoticed, while a midfielder who's 5th or 6th string can rack up 20 odd possessions each week gets plaudits just doesn't sit right with me. There has to be more balance to it than that.

And I'm not taking anything away from Hannebery(well deserved winner) and others, I just think that some of these 'judges' need to show a bit more perspective of what roles each of the nominees fulfil.
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i agree completely, he has been great down back, i had you pegged as a hawks supporter who thought he should be top 3 (there were a few) but obviously that isn't the case, i agree that judges don't look at roles a lot, thats the downside of being a defender, that said rivers won in 04 as a defender... anyway will be a very good defender
 
weagles_fan said:
Bastinac not a chance as expected. Some North supporters really do need to a take off the goggles and get a ****ing clue!!
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We will when Glen Jakovich does.
 

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GALON said:
No, Hawks supporters see a kid who came in and held his spot for the entire year in the backhalf playing KP, filling a void that was left while Gibson sat on the sidelines, and having to contend with being under the pump most weeks.
Anyone who's watched Stratton and the Hawks for the entirety of the year knows that he's in our best 2 or 3 performed defenders with Guerra and Murphy in 2010, and the fact he's had to do it against genuine key forwards is why he really should've gotten more recognition( as should Ried, although he certainly has better players around him to help in Maxwell, O'Brien, Presti etc).
The fact that a backman who is given a task each week and a player to mind, goes unnoticed, while a midfielder who's 5th or 6th string can rack up 20 odd possessions each week gets plaudits just doesn't sit right with me. There has to be more balance to it than that.

And I'm not taking anything away from Hannebery(well deserved winner) and others, I just think that some of these 'judges' need to show a bit more perspective of what roles each of the nominees fulfil.
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Just to really piss you off, Pears got 3rd place last year. They do pick backmen, Otten got 2nd ff half-back.
You need some sort of media profile before you'll get votes. It is an award that seems to have a bit of "wow factor" thrown in there, and both Pears & Otten are a fair bit classier than Stratton.
I don't really put much weight on the RS regardless, with all the machinations of the selection criteria & voting.

Stratton behind NicNat, who's gone downhill since about round 8, needs a bit of justification IMHO.
 
Slattery_20 said:
Just to really piss you off, Pears got 3rd place last year. They do pick backmen, Otten got 2nd ff half-back.
You need some sort of media profile before you'll get votes. It is an award that seems to have a bit of "wow factor" thrown in there, and both Pears & Otten are a fair bit classier than Stratton.
I don't really put much weight on the RS regardless, with all the machinations of the selection criteria & voting.

Stratton behind NicNat, who's gone downhill since about round 8, needs a bit of justification IMHO.
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Agreed, and I reckon it also comes back to my earlier statement in this thread of 'draft pick hype'.

We had a Fremantle supporter post on our board after the RS that he rang up a Perth radio station and asked of Stratton and his chances for the RS with Jakovich, two weeks out from the count....Jakovich replied with "Is he eligible?".

Makes you wonder, doesn't it.
 
Jakovich is normally so spot on, insightful, & just all-round intelligence personified... the problem's with Jakovich rather than anything else.

It worries me when people say stuff like "Hardingham was taken the pick straight after Barlow" which, in various forms, has been in 2 or 3 different print articles. There are a lot of journos who clearly do 3/5ths of F. all research.
By & large, a small handful of writers set the agenda, and a chorus of hangers-on repeat ad nauseum. If Stratton's name was brought up earlier, he would have been talked about. But he never made it onto the agenda. & it's largely a media-driven award (how else does "THE PANTHER" get a vote ffs?)
 

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