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2010 Western Jets Discussion Thread
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Morris will be a key player for them this year, he was unlucky last year to miss most of the season. Due for a change of luck.
Jack Gray though, well yeah he went to state screening but even being aware of that the Jets were opting not to select him towards the end of the 2009 season, and he was playing local footy in the Ammos instead.
Personally I think the Jets should have gone down a different track with their 19 year olds, but at the end of the day Anton Grhack appears to have a fair say about who clubs can and can't use.
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As I understand it, Morris will miss this weeks practice match and the march 21 clash with calder, should be right for march 28.
Not sure what's the go with Jack Gray, is playing in the early game Sunday (as he did against Calder). From what I can gather he had a reasonable first quarter against calder and was off the boil after that.
B & F, mm, you'd think that Morris & Fortune would be up there, maybe one of the bottom agers could surprise, Kavenagh or Hoskin Elliot, dependant on representative duties.
Would they just be playing him in the earlier game because he has just come back from injury and hasnt seen much solid game time or do you think it is because of poor form because from what i have seen he has only played the one game so far this season.... surely being a top age player he would get a regular game otherwise it was a stupid decision to bring him back!
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There's a few jets boys coming back from injury, conway, morris, fortune to name but 3, and they all went into the second game, playing limited time to let them adjust. So I still don't know what to think. On paper he would be in their best 22, based on last years stats alone. Interesting to see how he (and others) go on Sunday...
Has played most of his junior footy in the back half and has a great pair of hands...in fact would like to see him play up forward as he could be a real focal point
Have they finalized the list yet?
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Yeah list has been finalised apart from the development
there's 44 on list and 8 developements so they'll add a few of them
there's 44 on list and 8 developements so they'll add a few of them
Jack Gray, Jordan Mead and one other (not sure of his name but wore #9) played both games.
I only saw the 2pm game and better players in my book were Mead, Fairly, Garland, Borg and Conway.
I'm not aware of any scores but the boys would have been close to 8-10 goals down at half-time. Second half was better and a pretty even tussle.
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I saw this game too. Oakleigh very dominant in 1st half and i reckon Fairley did a great job in defnece. Really stood up.
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Matty Smith (Smiley) will have to be the fittest player on the Jets list - watch out for him this year.
Forgot to mention that he has been upgraded too the leadership group He doesn't turn 17 until May.
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Saw the Jets beaten easily by the Cannons on Sunday the Jets disposal let them down similar to last year.
The Jets rucks and midfielders let the down but it's early days and once things settle down a win or two might not be far away.
It's a pity they ran into the Cannons first up.
The Jets rucks and midfielders let the down but it's early days and once things settle down a win or two might not be far away.
It's a pity they ran into the Cannons first up.
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And their key position players didn't?
I'll agree the Jets midfield do the forwards no favours at all - they hardly move the ball quickly, directly or offer precision delivery, but the taller forwards didn't offer a lot of movement either, they just sat behind their man and on many occassions didn't even create a contest. At least when Fortune and Conway went forward they offered some movement, presented strong and demanded the ball. The blokes who started CHF and FF had three possessions between them in the first half.
I'm sure things will settle down, but a good starting point might be for them to work out where their players are best suited. Personally I think Garland is a defender, and Casley is a forward, that'd be the first flip around I'd make. Others were given strange roles as well.
Hopefully they can fire Jack Gray up a bit as well, eight possessions from an overage wingman is disappointing.
They need to find some improvement quickly, Oakleigh will beat them by 20 goals over Easter if they don't.
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Rubbish. I think that's a bit of an old fashioned philosophy.
At the start of the season, play people to positions that suit them now. Let them shine, develop their confidence and attract interest from AFL clubs and then worry about showing their versatility later in the year if necessary (ie. if AFL clubs request it).
Nobody is worried about versatility in players at Round 1, they want to know if they can f***ing play first of all. Play them in positions which will suit them and allow them to show they can do that initially.
Saw the game and i agree team disposal was absolutely shocking compared to what is expected at that level... Jack Gray was definitely carrying some sort of injury at least from the second quarter onwards, could not run 100% at all, almost looked as if he was hobbling towards the ball on some occasions.... wouldn't judge him on that game... see how he goes this week!
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Must have been cos he started reasonably well and then faded right out of the game after quarter time. He'd have had 5 or 6 of his possessions in the first quarter.
Will be interesting to see how they all go this weekend.
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sceptic tank
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Jack gray got a bad corky in the first quartor
You're contradicting yourself. First its rubbish and then it isn't later in the year.
If a player can show that he can play more than one position, he is much more likely to get the nod over a player that demonstrates that he can only play one position. That's indisputable. It's not an old-fashioned theory, its just a fact.
Secondly, TAC coaches also have a development responsibility. If a player needs to develop a defensive skill, then he has a responsibility to that. Much better to get that message across to a player early in the season than "leave it to later". Settling players into positions is for later in the season, not the other way around.
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It's certainly rubbish at Round 1. Later in the year, as I said do it if necessary (ie. at the request of AFL clubs). Some TAC clubs are obsessed over it, and burn their players in the process. The good clubs are clever about how they do it (for example do it for a quarter here and there, against crap opposition, when the heat has gone out of the game etc).
Personally, "versatility" for me rates a long way behind other things like competitiveness, foot skills, pace, endurance etc. If a bloke is slow, or can't kick, I couldn't give a flying f*** if he can play both forward and back.
And I'd rather a master of one position, than a versatile type whose ok in both.
Sean Tighe was used in every role imaginable in 2009, and was a great player for the Jets. But by not allowing him to show what he could do in one set role over the course of the season I think it counted against him. The TAC Cup clubs need to identify a players role, and stick to it. At least until the player has drawn the AFL clubs interest.
The clubs do have a role to develop players, and work through there deficiencies - I agree with you there. But they also have a duty to ensure their players are able to play footy that will impress AFL clubs. Shuffle players around now, expose their flaws and have the team playing crap footy is fine if you want AFL clubs to have crossed the black texta through every name on the list by Round 8. Very hard to change opinions after that.
I disagree. If a player has a deficiency, best to get to it early in the season, especially a top-ager. No point trying to patch him up later.
Straw man argument. I never rated versatility against other factors. Just said that a versatile player is more likely to be drafted than a non-versatile player.
Playing a solid defensive game one week, and then filling a role up forward another is going to impress, is it not?
I think most AFL recruiters would be foolhardy to run a line thru a name at Round 8 without talking to the club and finding out about their role. You said yourself that they ask clubs to play players in different positions.
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You're concept of versatility and all that is clearly different to mine, but that's fine. It's just an opinion. Everyone sees the game differently.
In my view, if a guy proves himself week after week as a quality key position defender with the attributes an AFL club looks for (such as adequate pace and foot skills) then he doesn't really need to justify himself as a forward too.
You could argue that the later the draft pick, the more important versatility becomes. Maybe a non-versatile player who is good in his role will be drafted regardless, but a versatile player has more chance of being rookied?
In my view, if a guy proves himself week after week as a quality key position defender with the attributes an AFL club looks for (such as adequate pace and foot skills) then he doesn't really need to justify himself as a forward too.
You could argue that the later the draft pick, the more important versatility becomes. Maybe a non-versatile player who is good in his role will be drafted regardless, but a versatile player has more chance of being rookied?
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Went to see the Jets this weekend against Eastern at Visy park especially to see where Casley and Garland lined up this week as both have previously been in the backline and Garland moving forward when required.
Unfortunately Casley went down with what appeared to be a hamstring in the second quarter and will probably miss three weeks.
Garland started off on the interchange opting for a smaller forward line with Fortune, Taylor.
When he did come on then went to CHF, Wing, interchange, CHB, FB, FF and the Jets wonder why they cant win a game, the structure is confusing the players appear confused and so do the spectators.
Just because you play a heap of VFL/AFL games doesnt mean you can coach or get your message across.
Unfortunately Casley went down with what appeared to be a hamstring in the second quarter and will probably miss three weeks.
Garland started off on the interchange opting for a smaller forward line with Fortune, Taylor.
When he did come on then went to CHF, Wing, interchange, CHB, FB, FF and the Jets wonder why they cant win a game, the structure is confusing the players appear confused and so do the spectators.
Just because you play a heap of VFL/AFL games doesnt mean you can coach or get your message across.