2011 Draft Discussion #2

[Bucking Beads]

I like the sound of Sam Docherty.. Running defender with a very good right boot.

 

[philthy05]

port need genuine mids and outside runners very much.

gws have to take longer. should take buntine. i expect run/kicking skills to be at a premium for gws.

gws patton, coniglio, wingard, longer, whe/ buntine/ kavvanagh,

port tyson/ whe/ kavvanagh

gws buntine/ whe/ kavvanagh/ tyson/ tomlinson

bris ? ild expect kavvanagh/ greene/ tomlinson/ adams

 

[Balony_pony16]

unless Dyson, Hoskin-E, or Longer slide, I really think that we should be targeting Buntine...He will bring decision makinh and greta foot skills to our backline...I liken his selection to that of what Grimes could have brought to the lions team (ie the TJ failed trade)...he just ticks alot of boxes and will fit into our team setup just nicely

 

[13Beast]

Lets face it, we have holes everywhere as long as we pick up a couple of guns I'll be happy, whether they are attacking defenders, inside/outside midfielders, small forwards, key position.

Damn straight. That's why as nervous as I am about this upcoming draft, I'm also a little excited as to what we will get. No doubt we will get some classy selections with 8 and 12... and possibly 30 and 47 if we're lucky (and Hadley does his homework) too

I'd be stoked with Buntine at 8, a killer mid still remaining at 12 (WHE/Kavanagh/Sumner) and perhaps a solid KPF at 30 (Paine, Dobosz, Kersten etc)... then a Hadley special at 47... maybe Merrett?

 

[lionshine]

I wouldn't mind taking a Mid and KPP player at 8 and 12 instead of taking a Flanker like Buntine and than get Brandon Ellis at 30 if he is available.

 

[blackpowerlappin]

I wouldn't mind taking a Mid and KPP player at 8 and 12 instead of taking a Flanker like Buntine and than get Brandon Ellis at 30 if he is available.

Sam Docherty sounds right up our alley. I'd be wrapped if he was available. Best kick in the draft, a run and carry, modelled his game on Yarran. Hope he is there at 8.

 

[Nuggo]

I'd be stoked with Buntine at 8, a killer mid still remaining at 12 (WHE/Kavanagh/Sumner) and perhaps a solid KPF at 30 (Paine, Dobosz, Kersten etc)... then a Hadley special at 47... maybe Merrett?

That would be a solid days work for the boys.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

Anyone throwing up ideas please at least throw 1 ruckman up to be considered a genuine attempt......... alternatively suggest the 2 ruckman we will need to take in the Rookie Draft as a disclaimer.

 

[Ruse]

Anyone throwing up ideas please at least throw 1 ruckman up to be considered a genuine attempt......... alternatively suggest the 2 ruckman we will need to take in the Rookie Draft as a disclaimer.

Downie, Brewer or Cabrera?

 

[blackpowerlappin]

Anyone throwing up ideas please at least throw 1 ruckman up to be considered a genuine attempt......... alternatively suggest the 2 ruckman we will need to take in the Rookie Draft as a disclaimer.

Hudson is the interim ruck back up for Luey, Tippet is a target for next year and Kerr advised we had a couple of kids that looked like good prospects in the Academy. I would say that KPPs are more important than rucks at this stage due to a strategy to grab Tippet next year high on the agenda.

With GWS having a monopoly on the first 14 picks we can only hope they draft for needs and leave us with exactly what Hadders and Kerr wanted anyway. My guess is 1 KPP and 1 mid/half back with pace and elite foot skills.

 

[Nuggo]

I don't think ruckmen are high on the agenda. As been mentioned Hudson is on board now, if he wasn't then you would say most definitely, not sure with Tippett whether there is a definitive plan with him but the academy sounds somewhat promising. So there could be a rookie Forward/Ruck or a pure ruck project player taken.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

I find it hard to believe we will go into the season with only Leunberger & Hudson (he is 31 & did retire) as the only rucks on our senior list. If we don't pick a ruckman I will be stunned, & in fact I would wager heavily that we do. Anyone? Everything evolves around the punt at the moment!!

I guess this heads to another point. A lot of pople are throwing up the likes of Kersten, Paine, Elton, etc - forward orientated KPPs. Lisle was recruited as a forward per Kerr, along Brown, Retzlaff, Cornelius & to an extent Karnezis/Lester (although interchangeable) will we add to this forward mix with another KPP?

I think all things being well in a players available sense, we would be more inclined to add a KPP back eg. Tomlinson, Talia, & McInnes given our dearth of young KPP backs than a forward.

That said our 1st 2 picks will likely be best available & given Kerrs comments re: KPPs disappearing after 15 if the cards don't fall to our rankings anything may happen, eg 2 KPPs or 2 Mids with 8 & 12. Certainly our most interesting draft for a long time.

 

[dmac_55]

From looking at the draft so far I believe the top 5 will be Patton, Congilio, Tyson, Wingard and Longer in some order.. Reading this thread two of the more liked players from Brisbane board for pick 8 are Buntine and WHE. If they go 6 & 7 I wonder what the next best option is?

 

[LionSun]

I agree

 

[Nuggo]

With ruckmen they generally take a while to develop. So if you are going to spend an early draft pick they would want to be good, very good as it could go wrong and investing an early pick, money and time could make it look ugly. A trend is to pick them up later in the draft or rookie them. If they don't turn out, steal another clubs developing ruckman.

 

[POBT]

I don't want to use the first two picks on a ruck. I'm not all that keen on Longer anyway and I think that you only use an early pick on a ruck when you know you are going to need a first ruck within 5 years. We are not in that position.

But I think we need ruck coverage. I think we need to use pick 30 or 47 on a ruck capable player (hopefully able to play forward too) and probably look at putting one on the rookie list too.

It would be a massive risk to put all our eggs in the Tippett basket. Same with an over-reliance on the academy players. I think we need to get another one in this year.

Interestingly, for whatever reason, we haven't yet seen Hadley work his drafting magic on a ruck prospect yet. McCulloch was a miss with a very late pick and McCauley didn't work out either.

 

[13Beast]

With ruckmen they generally take a while to develop. So if you are going to spend an early draft pick they would want to be good, very good as it could go wrong and investing an early pick, money and time could make it look ugly. A trend is to pick them up later in the draft or rookie them. If they don't turn out, steal another clubs developing ruckman.

Wise words. I'd be very reluctant to get a ruck in the draft unless he was absolutely blue-chip, and even then they'll take time to develop.

I think this year is a year where Voss and the Lions are focused on much improved results and dividends paying off. At least I certainty hope so, after the last couple very ordinary seasons.

Hopefully all the young blood we have can step it up a notch and finally blossom. I'd hate for us to draft for project, not-quite-there yet players.

 

[thoselionslads]

I'm an unabashed fan of best available, especially with early picks.

On another note, one QLD kid who has crept under the radar is Tom Bell. There was a bit of interest last year but he has taken his game to another level this year and is attracting big interest from a few teams who are entering, or in their premiership 'window'.

 

[POBT]

I'm an unabashed fan of best available, especially with early picks.

On another note, one QLD kid who has crept under the radar is Tom Bell. There was a bit of interest last year but he has taken his game to another level this year and is attracting big interest from a few teams who are entering, or in their premiership 'window'.

Not much interest from the Qld clubs though from what I've heard. Not sure if you can add any more on that front.

 

[whatboutbob]

Interestingly, for whatever reason, we haven't yet seen Hadley work his drafting magic on a ruck prospect yet. McCulloch was a miss with a very late pick and McCauley didn't work out either.

IMO the jury's still out on Hadley's KPP drafting abilities.

 

[blackpowerlappin]

Not much interest from the Qld clubs though from what I've heard. Not sure if you can add any more on that front.

Surely we're chasing a forward/ruck option, rather than a genuine ruck? I wouldn't want to be giving up picks for developing rucks. We have Luey and paid cheap for Hudson, so I would think we are chasing someone who can play a KPP, with an ability to ruck 15% to 20% of the time. For me that's Tippet.

 

[thoselionslads]

Not much interest from the Qld clubs though from what I've heard. Not sure if you can add any more on that front.

Nah, the teams I've heard are interested all played finals this year.

With teams constantly expanding their recruiting networks, I think its certainly getting harder to determine genuine interest in players when you hear whispers.

The only Lions related goss I've heard is us being keen on Hannath, but I think that's hardly a secret.

 

[whatboutbob]

The only Lions related goss I've heard is us being keen on Hannath, but I think that's hardly a secret.

Well, I hadn't heard it until now.

The Lions certainly have been connected with quite a few 20-22yo rucks now. I wonder how many they'll actually pick up?

 

[thoselionslads]

Well, I hadn't heard it until now.

The Lions certainly have been connected with quite a 20-22yo rucks now. I wonder how many they'll actually pick up?

If we don't rate the ruckmen in this draft then it makes sense to target a mature age prospect out of a state league.

For instance, say we get a 22 year old ruck. We have Hudson as back up this year and gives our new draftee a year to work with our development coaches. All things going to plan, Hudson moves on and our now 23 year old ruck is a capable back up. We avoid all the development between 18-23 and allows us to draft a decent 18 year old ruck in 2012.

In saying all that, I gaurantee you Hadley will only pick up a mature age'r if he genuinely rates them, not just for the sake of boosting our ruck stocks.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Well, I hadn't heard it until now.

Snoop mentioned similar gossip in his phantom draft. So sounds like it has a bit of heat to it.