2011 Draft Discussion #2

[Crusha]

The very same.

To be fair, I wasn't Robinson Crusoe on Lucy though... others rated him very highly, and not just Brisbane supporters.

At first glance at your above, I thought you were going to raise Mitch Robinson.......

......guilty thumbsu.

I believe my words at the time (Pick 25) were........"Who the bloody hell is Jack Redden".

I know now (thank God for Hadley).

 

[Dylan12]

Why? His height? Kersten is a very similar player to Fevola (who's 1cm taller) but didn't seen to have much trouble out marking opponents who were taller than him.

Kersten reads the ball in the air much better than most forwards in this draft and can out smart defenders by it. Not to mention he's a excellent lead up forward. He doesn't need to be 200cms.

I haven't seen Kersten play, so am very uninformed bar what I've read here, but don't we already have enough of his type (Brown, Lisle, Staker, Karnezis, Retzlaff, Cornelius and possibly Lester)? I would have thought a versatile key position, preferably one that could go back is more what we are in need of. Quigley and a lot of you are more learned on th draftees, but that is the one observation I took away from the description of Kersten.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I haven't seen Kersten play, so am very uninformed bar what I've read here, but don't we already have enough of his type (Brown, Lisle, Staker, Karnezis, Retzlaff, Cornelius and possibly Lester)? I would have thought a versatile key position, preferably one that could go back is more what we are in need of. Quigley and a lot of you are more learned on th draftees, but that is the one observation I took away from the description of Kersten.

Retzlaff and Cornelius are not certainties to make it. Staker, as much as I love him will probably be close to goneski when he returns from his 18 month hiatus.

Browny is entering his twilight years.

I think Kersten would go nicely into our forward mix. He's more of a quick leading marking target like Fev. Lisle, if he plays forward, is more of a slower, body on body forward.

 

[Offsider]

I would suggest that Kersten was best available almost ... not needs.

I would say he was a better prospect than all of those young players (other than Brown) listed above. He would be an upgrade on all of them.

I liked Lisle as a defender against Collingwood this year ...

 

[Bucking Beads]

Still leaves our defense very low on talls though

 

[Hollow Knight]

Still leaves our defense very low on talls though

A lot of Hawthorn posters saw Lisle as their next CHB in the making. He'll play down back for us at some stage I'm sure.

 

[Quigley]

Still leaves our defense very low on talls though

All part of the cunning plan BB.

 

[whatboutbob]

Still leaves our defense very low on talls though

Not often a KPD's taken that early. I reckon Quigley's got something up his sleeve for the later picks.

 

[Offsider]

Yes some very Schady moves by Quigley.

IMO you always draft KPF before defenders. It is a lot harder to be a good KPF than a defender. A failed KPF can become a good defender, eg. Merrett. Marking skills and reading the play are not as essential, but a good defensive mind set is. That can be built into a player.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Can't see us picking up a KPF if we are very confident of getting Tippett next year. KPD a priority IMO.

 

[Quigley]

I haven't seen Kersten play, so am very uninformed bar what I've read here, but don't we already have enough of his type (Brown, Lisle, Staker, Karnezis, Retzlaff, Cornelius and possibly Lester)? I would have thought a versatile key position, preferably one that could go back is more what we are in need of. Quigley and a lot of you are more learned on th draftees, but that is the one observation I took away from the description of Kersten.

Personally I think we have enough versatile and third tall types and I want a few excellent KP specialists. Kersten may lack a little height but he plays as a true FF and whilst KPD might be the biggest need KPF is certainly a major need as well and in the time it takes for a key position to develop Browny is likely to have retired making the need all the more urgent. Kersten has superior talent to any of the KPD options imho so I grabbed him. The talent drop off between a KPD I would take at 12 and one I would take at 30 is minimal I believe.

Of the players you mentioned

Lisle can go forward or back but there are significant concerns about his ability to do either really.
Staker can go forward or back and will probably do both when he comes back the season after next.
Lester played forward this year but is more of a back I think.
Karnezis and Cornelius are more third tall types.

 

[Quigley]

Can't see us picking up a KPF if we are very confident of getting Tippett next year. KPD a priority IMO.

That's a fair point but facing a level playing field next year I think we will be outbid by GC who will have more pretty baubles to offer Adel. As I understand it Kurt would prefer to go to GC if he could but he would be okay to go to Brisbane as his second choice if the first was no available.

 

[dlanod]

Yes some very Schady moves by Quigley.

IMO you always draft KPF before defenders. It is a lot harder to be a good KPF than a defender. A failed KPF can become a good defender, eg. Merrett. Marking skills and reading the play are not as essential, but a good defensive mind set is. That can be built into a player.

Merrett is a failed KPF that became a KPD.
Patfull is a failed KPF that became a KPD.
Leppitsch was a failed KPF that became a KPD.
Lisle is a failed KPF that became a KPD... might be jumping the gun there a bit.

I'm sure there are plenty more, but that's just at our club.

 

[pauldrc]

I'd prefer we take a KPF now, and then push Lisle to CHB as soon as we can. Might need to play up there a bit next year, but ultimately I think he will be better as a CHB.

I guess we will know more by mid next year....

 

[BrisbaneLion9636]

Any chance of this guy slipping to 8?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/125737/default.aspx

As a forward - where he prefers to play - he attacks the ball hard, reads the play well and is a precise and long kick on either side of his body. He's agile, has poise and rarely gets pushed for time, often using his multiple talents to get out of trouble and create.

As a defender, he's committed and aggressive, intent on killing the contest with a strong fist. He also has the right attributes - vision, awareness and class - to set up his team from defence.

Sounds like Staker!

 

[JasRulz63]

I'd prefer we take a KPF now

Me too, it also means whoever we pick up has longer to learn under Brown. Having such a great role model there to learn the craft off, can only do wonders for the development of potential KPF's.

 

[cotter101]

Any chance of this guy slipping to 8?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/125737/default.aspx



Sounds like Staker!

He is who I want with 8. Is a chance to be available.

 

[chopperduck]

Certainly is some food for thought in this thread of which way we should go. We really do need KPP, both forward and back. We have some promising guys on the list, but none of them have really put up their hand and said i'm definitely next in line. Browny is nearly at the end, and with Clark, Bradshaw and Fev all gone, we don't have any real sure fire forward coming throught. Lisle will no doubt help out our list balance, and if he finds a spot in the 22 over the next 10 years it will be a great result. TBH, i see him as being a utility. He probably lacks enough atributes to really lock down a spot, but his contested marking will always be handy up forward.

Kersten is a favourite of many, but i think is clearly a forward prospect and nothing else. His height also limits him, although, if he can play as a propper FF, i wouldn't mind if we took him on draft day. Fev is no genuine KPF height either, but had the right mix of tools to be a good FF, Kersten sounds the same. I also think we would benefit from having a leading type FF rather than a contested 'kick on their head' type. It will help give the mids something to aim at, and should force some better delivery. Anyone who is smart at leading and can get seperation on their opponent will be dangerous as a FF.

I agree with the comments that KPF are probably better to go after rather than KPD, as KPF that fail, usually make it as KPD, even if they aren't world betters, they are usually good value. Lester looks promising, but it's very early and after him, the cupboard is bare for defenders. Unless we go for a defender at 30, i can't see us going Kersten as our main KPP in this draft for that reason. I don't think Acorn or Retzy would make good defenders, Lisle maybe, but after that we got nothing even developing.

A Quick mid and Kersten with 8 and 12, followed by a KPP at 30 and a ruck at 47 would probably be an ok outcome. It's just whether Hadley rates what is left over at 30 as to how we might use 8 and 12 i think.

 

[Grimreepah]

Any chance of this guy slipping to 8?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/125737/default.aspx



Sounds like Staker!

Sounds impressive.

 

[Dylan12]

Fev is no genuine KPF height either, but had the right mix of tools to be a good FF, Kersten sounds the same.

Re: Kersten; would it be fair to say that should he not reach Fevola type proportions, then at the least you are getting an Aaron Edwards type player, that is, essentially a player predominantly limited to the full forward line?

 

[Dom PC]

This is a question for Quigley (though anyone can answer it for me). You have Shane Kersten as our pick 12. Wouldn't we be better suited to picking a midfielder with pick 12 with our KPF stocks solid.

Is it that Kersten is best avaliable ??? Or is it that you think ACorn wont do what is required to become 1st 22 regular next year ?

Also you mention nothing about Patty K as our 3rd tall next season ??? Surely he will become our Fevola due to his goal kicking ability and showing enough to suggest his is good enough to be our FF. If he can kick 2 goals a game at his age surely he has found his position ???

Also pick 8 you skipped Buntine just wondering if you could give reasoning ?

Sorry I'm not having a go at you at all... just would like to be enlightened as to your train of thought with your selections

 

[cotter101]

This is a question for Quigley (though anyone can answer it for me). You have Shane Kersten as our pick 12. Wouldn't we be better suited to picking a midfielder with pick 12 with our KPF stocks solid.

Is it that Kersten is best avaliable ??? Or is it that you think ACorn wont do what is required to become 1st 22 regular next year ?

Also you mention nothing about Patty K as our 3rd tall next season ??? Surely he will become our Fevola due to his goal kicking ability and showing enough to suggest his is good enough to be our FF. If he can kick 2 goals a game at his age surely he has found his position ???

Also pick 8 you skipped Buntine just wondering if you could give reasoning ?

Sorry I'm not having a go at you at all... just would like to be enlightened as to your train of thought with your selections

All it takes is an injury to Brown/Merrett and you see how bad our KPP stocks are. Especially with Clark leaving.

 

[Dom PC]

All it takes is an injury to Brown/Merrett and you see how bad our KPP stocks are. Especially with Clark leaving.

But I'm suggesting what is wrong with drafting KPP at 30 and a ruck at 47 ?

Lester KPD (at 191 he is tall enough), Lisle (utility), PattyK KPF, ACorn KPF, Merrett KPD, Brown KPF, Byrce KPF. Thats 7 KPP. Drafting another at 30 and another Ruck leaves us with 8KPP and 3 Ruckman for next season.

I see your point Cotter... just wondering if Kersten is best avaliable or he is saying he is the best avaliable KPP at pick 12?

 

[cotter101]

But I'm suggesting what is wrong with drafting KPP at 30 and a ruck at 47 ?

Lester KPD (at 191 he is tall enough), Lisle (utility), PattyK KPF, ACorn KPF, Merrett KPD, Brown KPF, Byrce KPF. Thats 7 KPP. Drafting another at 30 and another Ruck leaves us with 8KPP and 3 Ruckman for next season.

I see your point Cotter... just wondering if Kersten is best avaliable or he is saying he is the best avaliable KPP at pick 12?

The club might not rate the KPP available at pick 30 or 47. Disagree with the balded as KPP.

I don't think Kersten will be the best available come draft day, but he might be the best KPP available who knows.

 

[blackpowerlappin]

But I'm suggesting what is wrong with drafting KPP at 30 and a ruck at 47 ?

Lester KPD (at 191 he is tall enough), Lisle (utility), PattyK KPF, ACorn KPF, Merrett KPD, Brown KPF, Byrce KPF. Thats 7 KPP. Drafting another at 30 and another Ruck leaves us with 8KPP and 3 Ruckman for next season.

I see your point Cotter... just wondering if Kersten is best avaliable or he is saying he is the best avaliable KPP at pick 12?

Sorry Dom, 191cm KPDs don't cut it in today's game.