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2011 Draft Discussion #2

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I am actually warming to the idea of selecting Toby Greene at 8 and Liam Sumner at 12. I know a lot of you are going to say no we need KPP, and I agree with you however we can focus on KPP with Pick 30 and 47. Plus we already got a young KPP this off season in Lisle so unless there is a KPP at one of our top picks that we really rate I say go for the dynamic duo and get Greene and Sumner!(if they are available of course)
 
I really hope that we don't end drafting Haynes even though Emma had him ranked in her top 15.

He does seem like the player we targeted last year with Lester and Karni, so I could see it happening.

After all the talk of us going tall in the draft i would love the irony if we ended up with Sumner, Greene and Smith (wouldn't be completely disappointed either).
 

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"We want to get talent through the door. It is about the best player available but if it comes down to a lineball decision we would probably favour a midfielder.

"We want to expand our depth in the midfield area, that's probably our main focus."
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Interesting.

May indicate that unless there's a top tall slider that small is the go at 8 and possibly 12?
 
what would be a better draft for us here is 4 examples
1st Example
8.Devon Smith
12.Toby Greene
30.Jackson Paine
47.Ben Brown

2ND Example
8.Adam Tomlinson
12.Toby Green
30.Sam Frost
47.Tom Downie

3RD Example
8.Liam Sumner
12.Sam Docherty
30.Michael Talia
47.Matt Brewer
4TH Example
8.Devon Smith
12.Todd Elton
30.Mitchell Grigg
47.Micheal Bussey
 
blueiris said:
what would be a better draft for us here is 4 examples
1st Example
8.Devon Smith
12.Toby Greene
30.Jackson Paine
47.Ben Brown

2ND Example
8.Adam Tomlinson
12.Toby Green
30.Sam Frost
47.Tom Downie

3RD Example
8.Liam Sumner
12.Sam Docherty
30.Michael Talia
47.Matt Brewer
4TH Example
8.Devon Smith
12.Todd Elton
30.Mitchell Grigg
47.Micheal Bussey
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I would have to go with the second or third example with second just in front.
 
what would be a better draft for us here is 4 examples
1st Example
8.Devon Smith
12.Toby Greene
30.Jackson Paine
47.Ben Brown

2ND Example
8.Adam Tomlinson
12.Toby Green
30.Sam Frost
47.Tom Downie

3RD Example
8.Liam Sumner
12.Sam Docherty
30.Michael Talia
47.Matt Brewer
4TH Example
8.Devon Smith
12.Todd Elton
30.Mitchell Grigg
47.Micheal Bussey
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Defintley the second example, maybe swap tomlinson around with sumner and that's my perfect draft, aslong as we get greene I'd be happy with anything else.
 
Probably hard to answer being a hypothetical question, but where would Dylan Shiel be ranked if he wasn't already listed by GWS. Would he still be ahead of Patton, Coniglio etc?
 
blueiris said:
what would be a better draft for us here is 4 examples
1st Example
8.Devon Smith
12.Toby Greene
30.Jackson Paine
47.Ben Brown

2ND Example
8.Adam Tomlinson
12.Toby Green
30.Sam Frost
47.Tom Downie

3RD Example
8.Liam Sumner
12.Sam Docherty
30.Michael Talia
47.Matt Brewer
4TH Example
8.Devon Smith
12.Todd Elton
30.Mitchell Grigg
47.Micheal Bussey
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A toss of a coin between your examples 1 + 2 for me but maybe #2

Example... MMXII?

IMO we should be in a position to select 8 and 12 – but 30 & 47 will depend more on the fall of the cards.

..8: Greene
12: Docherty
30: One of Haynes/Grigg - but ONLY IF Bolger was now unavailable
47: Andrew Boseley < if we did select Bolger @ 30 – if not I could see us being forced to consider a Thurlow, Michael or a Cabrera.
 
really hope the lions don't pick up any delistings players.
just had a look at the players looking for 2nd gigs ,really not worth
the trouble
 

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Dylan12 said:
Probably hard to answer being a hypothetical question, but where would Dylan Shiel be ranked if he wasn't already listed by GWS. Would he still be ahead of Patton, Coniglio etc?
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From what I've been told, from people who's opinion I trust, he'd probably be about top three-ish. You could probably throw a blanket across Coniglio, Patton and Shiel depending upon what the club with pick 1 needed.
 
blueiris said:
what would be a better draft for us here is 4 examples
1st Example
8.Devon Smith
12.Toby Greene
30.Jackson Paine
47.Ben Brown

2ND Example
8.Adam Tomlinson
12.Toby Green
30.Sam Frost
47.Tom Downie

3RD Example
8.Liam Sumner
12.Sam Docherty
30.Michael Talia
47.Matt Brewer
4TH Example
8.Devon Smith
12.Todd Elton
30.Mitchell Grigg
47.Micheal Bussey
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1>>4(with docherty instead of elton)>>>>3>>>>>>2
 
Lach72 pinned down Emma Quayle (that sounds dodgier than I intended) and got some questions answered - http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22851648&postcount=1. There's a few Brisbane-related ones that might be of interest, as well as a couple that reflect on areas of need in our list (key position, rucks, etc):

3. Who do you think are the best defenders in the draft? Tall/small?

The smalls are higher on my list, guys like Docherty and Ellis. I have Schade just outside 25 and Talia just behind him. I really like Lockyer too, so competitive.

4. Best outside midfielders in the draft, and is there any eye-catching young ruckmen out there that won’t be grabbed by GWS?

Look for Tom Downie, former basketballer for Australian under19 side. He played the last couple of games for North Ballarat, showed some glimpses and his testing at the combine was brilliant. Could find himself in the right place at the right time.

Re outside mids, well Coniglio can do both and so can Wingard. Hoskin-Elliott is the best of them, he has massive scope and doesn't seem to yet know what he's capable of. Kavanagh can go both ways. Jackson Merrett is pretty exciting at times.

9. How do you think GWS will play the Longer card? Top 5? Try to let him slip past Port's pick 6 and take him at 7? Or try to let him slip past Brisbane's pick and take him 9-11? Will Port or Brisbane be likely to take Longer if available at pick 6 and 8 respectively?

I think they'll roll the dice and try get him after Brisbane's pick. Just can't see Port or the Lions taking him.

17. How many talls do you see Brisbane taking?

A few. I think they need to find a ruckman who's a bit older and could play if needed next year. And there will be a few talls, maybe a defender, around the mark at 30 for them.

18. Will the lack of quality Key Position players in this year's draft, drive up the value of the few KPP's in the draft?

Maybe a little bit. I think it'll be mostly mids picked early though. The KPPS are so risky.

23. top 5 inside mids, key position backs and Fwds?
Inside Mids
Tyson
Greene
D Smith
Kerridge
Adams

KPB's
Tomlinson (like him better fwd though)
Haynes
Schade
Forster (not really KPP size but like how he shuts players down)
Talia
Lockyer
Jordan Kelly

Fwds
Patton
Tomlinson
Kersten
Murdoch (if he grows a bit)
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BlackCaviar said:
really hope the lions don't pick up any delistings players.
just had a look at the players looking for 2nd gigs ,really not worth
the trouble
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I wouldn't be adverse to Currie on the rookie list (subject to a medical). I think it is a risk we can afford to take and if it comes off will buy the required couple of years insurance past Hudson needed to develope the next young ruckman.

If passed fit, Currie could fill the role of Hudson, should the beard go down, and prevent a younger ruckman being tossed to the wolves in 2012. Naturally I would advocate the inclusion of another Ruckman via the N or R draft; making a four in total.
 
Going by Emma's Q&A, am I right in saying it seems the shortlist for 8 has been narrowed down?

Greene, Adams, D.Smith, Haynes & Docherty all in the mix. I get the impression Haynes and Docherty probably more around the pick 12 mark though? I found it interesting that Emma mentioned we could bite the bullet with Haynes at 8 and let Greene slide to 12 - she said GWS aren't too keen on Greene.

Vossy mentioned in an interview the other day that they have contingency plans in place, and you can imagine Hadley/Voss etc sitting in a room going through every possible outcome. I must admit I've always been a sucker for 'pure' footballers, which for some reason makes me nervous about Haynes. However I do like the possibility of nabbing Greene & Haynes - two different 'types'.

Guess we have to wait and see.
 
I just really don't get the love for Haynes. He is not a KP and never will be so you are drafting him as a HFFer/mid. At those positions he has nice height but he doesn't get off the ground much so he is not a massive marking target against bigger AFL players. Athletically his endurance is very good but apart from that everything else is pretty average. His kicking is not great and definately lacks some zip. He is also 19 and you would expect him to be dominating against those a year younger than himself which I did not see happening certainly at Champs level. I think I have him in the 30s in my mock and for the life of me I don't understand why he is even being spoken of as a chance at 8. Haynes is not a KP and I just don't think he stacks up well against the small/mediums available.

If things go as Emma suggests I hope we go with Longer at 8. We need some ruck depth and he could present as a great marking target up forward. He would be a best available pick and he addresses probably a bigger need than taking a small/med at this stage. We have Leuey sure but suddenly the depth is more solidified and if there is an injury we are going to be able to cover much better. Having such a great marking target deep forward would also allow guys like Cornelius and Karnezis to really work off him. I think it adds nice balance to the forward line and there is an added bonus that it would stuff up Gubby's plans something fierce.

I have heard from a couple of sources that GWS is not particularly interested in Greene and in fact have no contacted him since early in the year. This being the case I advocate taking Longer if he is there and then waiting on a faller at 12 most likely Greene. From what everyone is saying in the media its looking like at least two of Greene, Docherty, Sumner and Kavanagh. All represent really good value here.
 

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Haynes doesn't seem to be rated all that highly by any of the phantom drafts on here. Like I said, his 'type' makes me nervous.

Must admit, I'm probably more in the camp of two quality mids at 8 & 12.

Interesting not much talk of Kavanagh to Brisbane. With these two picks being so important for the club, they must see him as a bit of risk with his injury issues.
 
I like everything I've seen from Haynes (which isn't a huge amount) and would happily have him in our side if we pull the trigger at 12. But I absolutely agree that he's not a KPP prospect. I think he will bring athleticism and energy to our side on the fringes of the pack, up forward or even as an attacking HBF. If we take Greene at #8, then taking someone like Haynes seems like a good fit if our preferred KPPs have been taken.
 
Okay I think I've finally made up my mind for the last time. I want Greene. I want Kersten. I want Tomlinson. And I want Longer. Guess I haven't really made my mind up :p. But one of these situations is ideal for me:

- Tomlinson at 8, Greene at 12.
- Tomlinson at 8, Kersten at 12.
- Greene at 8, Kersten at 12.
- Longer at 8, Greene at 12.

Schade at 30 in all scenarios (or another defender if taken). A ruck or KPP at 47 depending on who we get at 8/12, then a ruck or two in the rookie draft. Seems to follow on pretty much from what people have been saying.
 
Quigley said:
I just really don't get the love for Haynes. He is not a KP and never will be so you are drafting him as a HFFer/mid. At those positions he has nice height but he doesn't get off the ground much so he is not a massive marking target against bigger AFL players. Athletically his endurance is very good but apart from that everything else is pretty average. His kicking is not great and definately lacks some zip. He is also 19 and you would expect him to be dominating against those a year younger than himself which I did not see happening certainly at Champs level. I think I have him in the 30s in my mock and for the life of me I don't understand why he is even being spoken of as a chance at 8. Haynes is not a KP and I just don't think he stacks up well against the small/mediums available.

If things go as Emma suggests I hope we go with Longer at 8. We need some ruck depth and he could present as a great marking target up forward. He would be a best available pick and he addresses probably a bigger need than taking a small/med at this stage. We have Leuey sure but suddenly the depth is more solidified and if there is an injury we are going to be able to cover much better. Having such a great marking target deep forward would also allow guys like Cornelius and Karnezis to really work off him. I think it adds nice balance to the forward line and there is an added bonus that it would stuff up Gubby's plans something fierce.

I have heard from a couple of sources that GWS is not particularly interested in Greene and in fact have no contacted him since early in the year. This being the case I advocate taking Longer if he is there and then waiting on a faller at 12 most likely Greene. From what everyone is saying in the media its looking like at least two of Greene, Docherty, Sumner and Kavanagh. All represent really good value here.
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Without knowing all the terrific detail Quigley has so obviously amassed, my own 2 bob's worth is that the need for additional ruck depth is so obvious as to need no argument. While I agree with those of the view that Hudson is a very astute back-up, he is only a short term proposition at best. We need another developer in the ruck pipeline. Even better if he is versatile into the bargain.

Where this crops up in the drafting process will be interesting but to me it's a priority.
 
Phelan saying on AFL.com that the Lions will take Longer or Tomlinson if they are there at 8. I think the Lions might have started to put it out there that they will take Longer to scare GWS away from Tomlinson. I think it works and we end up going with Tomlinson at 8 who seems like out number 1 target.

Despite all the talk of Wingard to Port I am just no seeing it. I could understand Gubby overlooking him but can anyone really see both Sheedy and Choco letting the recruiting staff overlook such a standout indig player? They love their indig players both of those guys and when push comes to shove I can see Sheeds saying "I don't give a rats jut pick him. I am the one who has to coach the team and I want him in it."
 
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