2011 Draft Discussion #2

[POBT]

Any reason they changed from Saturday daytime?

 

[blynd_freddie]

Bootsma. Great footy name.

I'm still chasing a spot on our list for Freddie Clutterbuck... even as a rookie.

 

[whatboutbob]

Patrick Keane

AFL advises that no clubs will use their GWS player compensation selections at 2011 Draft, with today's notification deadline passing at 2pm.

 

[dmac_55]

Just watched the Liam Summer youtube clip. It looks more like a T. Greene highlight reel with all his in close work and feeding it out to Summer..

Want the lions to snap up Greene at 8 and the best tall forward available at 12. I think Kersten could be the goods, we need smart players around the goals.. He is pretty agile IIRC could be the prototype 2nd KPF.

 

[crispy creme]

Kersten is a very interesting player who appears to be polarising potential suitors. Some clubs rate him very highly - some not so. We'll have to wait until the 24th to see what we do with him - if given the opportunity.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

CC = The Riddler

 

[Hollow Knight]

Geez Tomlinson seems like a good kid on top of everything else.

Like him a lot. I don't think he is a red herring with us.

If Hadley thinks 8 is our only chance to get him, I say go for it.

Plenty of smalls still to like at pick 12. Really starting to like Sam Docherty there.

 

[PertRoosOsborne]

Geez Tomlinson seems like a good kid on top of everything else.

Like him a lot. I don't think he is a red herring with us.

If Hadley thinks 8 is our only chance to get him, I say go for it.

Plenty of smalls still to like at pick 12. Really starting to like Sam Docherty there.

My knowledge of the draft field is very limited however I tend to agree with your comments TBD.

IMO our priority should be the best available tall....would love to get a player in the mould of Hurley.

 

[Grimreepah]

Link ....

After the Giants, the Brisbane Lions are the next biggest player at the sharp end of the NAB AFL Draft with picks 8 and 12 and what they decide to do with those picks will have a cascade effect later in the first round.

Like all clubs at this time of the year, the Lions are keeping their cards close to their chests, but it is widely believed they would ideally like to bolster their midfield and add a key position prospect with those picks.

Oakleigh Chargers' Toby Greene, who has a reputation for finding plenty of the football, is currently the popular choice at No. 8, with TAC Cup teammate Adam Tomlinson in the frame to head north at pick 12.

How the Giants feel about those two lads will largely determine whether the Lions have their way. Greater Western Sydney have a few mids to add before Greene so he should be available at No. 8, but it remains to be seen whether the Giants will allow Tomlinson, one of the most highly rated talls in the draft, to slip through their picks between 9 and 11.

 

[Banana Boots]

Just watched the Liam Summer youtube clip. It looks more like a T. Greene highlight reel with all his in close work and feeding it out to Summer..

Want the lions to snap up Greene at 8 and the best tall forward available at 12. I think Kersten could be the goods, we need smart players around the goals.. He is pretty agile IIRC could be the prototype 2nd KPF.

Yeh I think I saw that, I reckon we should take a risk and try and let him slide to pick 12 and pick tomlinson at 8 or either grab greene at 8 and draft kersten at 12.

 

[dmac_55]

One skill I love seeing in every player (even more impressive with talls) is the ability to ride a tackle, and release a handball to a team mate.. This happens so often in the modern game with players 'drawing' a tackler to release the handball. Tomlinson looks to have a knack for spinning in tackles and dishing to team mates! I think this kid could have a good footy brain and combined with his good attitude (from all reports) he could be a great future KP prospect. Plus his tackling ability adds a lot, with the importance of locking a ball in the forward line only increasing..

My preferred 'realistic' result IMO would be Greene and Tomlinson..

 

[Daniel_Rich]

Also very much warming to the Greene/Tomlinson combo.

 

[pauldrc]

Also very much warming to the Greene/Tomlinson combo.

Me also, although Buntine/Tomlinson sounds pretty good too....

 

[Bucking Beads]

Tomlinson and Docherty with 8 and 12 would give me a very warm feeling inside.

 

[jackess]

I'm still holding out hope for a Patton/Conglio combo.

 

[gecko8]

Gee i hope we bite the bullet and take Tomlinson with pick 8. Seems quite level headed, has that real versatility for a tall and we've been well served by Trinity grammarians in the past. Hoping that Kavanagh will slide to us for 12, just have a good feeling about him, don't know why.

 

[blackpowerlappin]

Me also, although Buntine/Tomlinson sounds pretty good too....

I'm hoping for the Buntine/Tomlinson exacta or at least one of them.

The GWS picks are becoming very intriguing. If they want Buntine and Tomlinson assuming Wingard goes to Port, they leave themselves with Longer/Hoskin Elliot on the table for us. If they leave Tomlinson or Buntine, no doubt we must take one of them. My only issue with Longer, and I am no expert having not seen him live, is my belief we need a FWD/Ruck or KPP more than another Ruck resting FWD.

 

[13Beast]

I'm hoping for the Buntine/Tomlinson exacta or at least one of them.

The GWS picks are becoming very intriguing. If they want Buntine and Tomlinson assuming Wingard goes to Port, they leave themselves with Longer/Hoskin Elliot on the table for us. If they leave Tomlinson or Buntine, no doubt we must take one of them. My only issue with Longer, and I am no expert having not seen him live, is my belief we need a FWD/Ruck or KPP more than another Ruck resting FWD.

Yes I think all us Lions supporters are licking our lips here, because this top draft order could end up any number of ways, but no matter what, we will end up with at least 1 genuine quality young gun, quite possibly two. And there is a slim chance that Wingard or Longer or WHE may be available too. Who knows.

Great thing is that we have a number of picks and a side that has a lot of
holes to fill, so we'll be able to put whichever hot young draft prospects to
good use regardless of position. Shame it isn't a stronger draft with a few more exciting standout KPP's, especially a few more legitimate strong FF's. I like Kersten, but is he worth 12? Catch 22, because he likely won't be available by 30!

I'm actually more intrigued as to who's available and who we get at pick 30. That's the real head-scratcher right there...

 

[chopperduck]

Tomlinson does sound like a nice fit for us, sounds big enough for a KP and could slot in at either end, handy as we have lisle who could end up either end yet also. Adds genuine depth to each end. Leaves a mid with the other pick, Greene sounds good as a ball feeder for our other mids.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Tomlinson does sound like a nice fit for us, sounds big enough for a KP and could slot in at either end, handy as we have lisle who could end up either end yet also. Adds genuine depth to each end. Leaves a mid with the other pick, Greene sounds good as a ball feeder for our other mids.

yeah sounds good. Especially greene who i believe will be one of the best players from this draft. I watch the Under 18's GF where tyson made his name and greene was near best on ground...he reminds me of ablett around the stoppages and contest ball...will be a gun!

 

[POBT]

Not a knock on Tomlinson at all but his versatility is not something that I'm super-interested in. I'd rather a master than a jack of all trades. We've got Staker and Lester who look likely to be our short and long term swing man. We've got Lisle who reportedly has dual position capability. That's a fair bit of flexibility built into the 22 already.

Again, not a criticism of Tomlinson at all - I quite like him. But I'm not sure I'm seeing the magic that elevates him above the pack. If "versatility" is a main selling point, then I reckon we ignore that and focus on whether he is capable of being an elite forward or back, rather than whether he can be competent at both ends.

 

[Banana Boots]

Gee i hope we bite the bullet and take Tomlinson with pick 8. Seems quite level headed, has that real versatility for a tall and we've been well served by Trinity grammarians in the past. Hoping that Kavanagh will slide to us for 12, just have a good feeling about him, don't know why.

Tomlinson with either Greene, Kavanagh, Kersten or Docherty would be great! or any of these two.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Not a knock on Tomlinson at all but his versatility is not something that I'm super-interested in. I'd rather a master than a jack of all trades. We've got Staker and Lester who look likely to be our short and long term swing man. We've got Lisle who reportedly has dual position capability. That's a fair bit of flexibility built into the 22 already.

Again, not a criticism of Tomlinson at all - I quite like him. But I'm not sure I'm seeing the magic that elevates him above the pack. If "versatility" is a main selling point, then I reckon we ignore that and focus on whether he is capable of being an elite forward or back, rather than whether he can be competent at both ends.

Yeah, but these players aren't anywhere near complete at this age. Just because people are making a big deal over his versatility doesn't mean that that is necessarily what the club likes about him. (I note you said "if").

Can understand your point about magic... Kersten is probably higher risk/reward. Tomlinson may not have quite as much upside, but looks more certain to at least be a contributor. Hadley is known to take risks, so it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

Again, not a criticism of Tomlinson at all - I quite like him. But I'm not sure I'm seeing the magic that elevates him above the pack. If "versatility" is a main selling point, then I reckon we ignore that and focus on whether he is capable of being an elite forward or back, rather than whether he can be competent at both ends.

I think you maybe missing what it is that people are excited abouut with Tomlinson - what sets him apart from the pack.

At the combine he ranked 7th in the 3km time trial, & 10th in the beep test - midfielder numbers. For a guy at 194 cm to do this let alone the ability on show on the field is something to get excited about. This is the sort of thing JB & Riewoldt based their games on, grinding their opponent into the ground through exhaustion.

He is a forward but was thrown around by Oakleigh. Sides in the TAC tend to do this, as the competition is based on taking guys to the next level, so while rgame results are important player education can surpass this.

His versatility is nice but it isn't his strength.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/adam-tomlinson-gets-runs-on-board/story-fnau1fjg-1226193123208

Unfortunately I think he is GWS bound.

 

[Grimreepah]

I think you maybe missing what it is that people are excited abouut with Tomlinson - what sets him apart from the pack.

At the combine he ranked 7th in the 3km time trial, & 10th in the beep test - midfielder numbers. For a guy at 194 cm to do this let alone the ability on show on the field is something to get excited about. This is the sort of thing JB & Riewoldt based their games on, grinding their opponent into the ground through exhaustion.

He is a forward but was thrown around by Oakleigh. Sides in the TAC tend to do this, as the competition is based on taking guys to the next level, so while rgame results are important player education can surpass this.

His versatility is nice but it isn't his strength.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/adam-tomlinson-gets-runs-on-board/story-fnau1fjg-1226193123208

I am weary about reading too much into the draft camp testing. There were plenty of awesome results, but from reports it does not correlate to a strong draft.

Andrew Boseley for example:

At the Draft Combine, the tall's results put his running in the elite category for a big man. He ran 20m in 2.93sec, registered a 14.10 beep test and ran 3km in 10min 40sec.

If these guys were considered potential JB/Nick Riewoldts then it wouldn't be considered a weak draft.