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Unearthing a Sam Reid or a Nathan Vardy with a second round pick would be amazing.
 
jackess said:
Unearthing a Sam Reid or a Nathan Vardy with a second round pick would be amazing.
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Yeah, would be nice! I am a big fan of both. In fact, I'd offer our pick 8 for either of them without thinking twice....and I don't think it would be enough (maybe for Vardy)

Getting a good big man after the first round in the draft is a godsend in terms of list development. It doesn't happen all that often but with KPPs still the most vital on the park, if you can get a good un with a 2nd round or later, it sets your list up for 10 years. Cloke (obviously F/S) and Dawes are a case in point, allowing Collingwood to develop their pick 8 KPP as a centre half back.
 
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Yeah, would be nice! I am a big fan of both. In fact, I'd offer our pick 8 for either of them without thinking twice....and I don't think it would be enough (maybe for Vardy)

Getting a good big man after the first round in the draft is a godsend in terms of list development. It doesn't happen all that often but with KPPs still the most vital on the park, if you can get a good un with a 2nd round or later, it sets your list up for 10 years. Cloke (obviously F/S) and Dawes are a case in point, allowing Collingwood to develop their pick 8 KPP as a centre half back.
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Vardy is the exactly the kinda player we need. Great back up ruck with definate ability to kick goals. I would give up pick 8 and a fringe player or 2nd rounder
 

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Sorry to pretty much repeat what was already said. He seems like a prized player of the future down at Cat town anyway
 
borrat said:
ROFL :eek:

in this day and age the difference between the good and shit teams is their midfield and brisbane still have a way to go

tankton are the perfect example awesome midfield is the only reason they finished 5th without judd,murphy,squibbs etc etc they wuld be where they belong the bottom
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rockliff, redden, rich are all going to be stars, when brisbane are real finals contenders, you watch how good these kids are, amazing that there not even 21

we have so many midfielders on our list, all me need is a key forward/ back up ruckman
 
footyfreak16 said:
rockliff, redden, rich are all going to be stars, when brisbane are real finals contenders, you watch how good these kids are, amazing that there not even 21

we have so many midfielders on our list, all me need is a key forward/ back up ruckman
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you need more than 3 players in a midfield. You look at the top teams and they have 9-10 guys who can rotate through their midfield. We still don't have the depth in the midfield to meet those numbers.
 
Fatcat08 said:
you need more than 3 players in a midfield. You look at the top teams and they have 9-10 guys who can rotate through their midfield. We still don't have the depth in the midfield to meet those numbers.
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Polkinghorne Polec Barlett Bewick Hanley Harwood Raines all will iprove and be able to play midfield.
 
POBT said:
I agree but the player has to be a good enough forward to hold a KPP position down 80% of the time.
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Exactly, and is why i think we have cleared house with our ruck stocks. None of them really give us any depth in the modern game. Just about any tall can pinch hit in the ruck when needed for a few minutes. Hopefully we snag someone.
 
What would be the key attributes we need in a KPF now-days and in five years (i.e how will the game change in five years):

Size, Speed & Agility, Endurance, Contested Marking, Field Kicking, Goal Kicking, Aggression, Footy Smarts, Tackling/Forward Pressure, Work Rate, Club man.

Not easy to pick up a ready made player with those attributes. I think this why tall project players are necessary. If we can find a tall that is athletically very good, can kick, competitive and is hard would be the attributes I would be looking for in a project player. Take Niall McKeever - athletically very good, hard, and competitive but question mark over his kicking. He is making progress.
 
Nuggo said:
What would be the key attributes we need in a KPF now-days and in five years (i.e how will the game change in five years):

Size, Speed & Agility, Endurance, Contested Marking, Field Kicking, Goal Kicking, Aggression, Footy Smarts, Tackling/Forward Pressure, Work Rate, Club man.

Not easy to pick up a ready made player with those attributes. I think this why tall project players are necessary. If we can find a tall that is athletically very good, can kick, competitive and is hard would be the attributes I would be looking for in a project player. Take Niall McKeever - athletically very good, hard, and competitive but question mark over his kicking. He is making progress.
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definitely need someone who can get the ball, and knows how to kick goals. so many big men these days, have the agility, the versatility & the competitiveness but can't kick to save themselves. it's the biggest deficency i see in kpf & ruckmen these days.
 
Nuggo said:
What would be the key attributes we need in a KPF now-days and in five years (i.e how will the game change in five years):

Size, Speed & Agility, Endurance, Contested Marking, Field Kicking, Goal Kicking, Aggression, Footy Smarts, Tackling/Forward Pressure, Work Rate, Club man.

Not easy to pick up a ready made player with those attributes. I think this why tall project players are necessary. If we can find a tall that is athletically very good, can kick, competitive and is hard would be the attributes I would be looking for in a project player. Take Niall McKeever - athletically very good, hard, and competitive but question mark over his kicking. He is making progress.
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here are some guys coming through the draft combine who look to be good forward in future, id say the best forward is great presence, strong mark, and good work rate. doesnt matter if goal kicking is a bit shaky in the first few years. have a look at travis cloke now, he had all the attributes a key forward needed except shit for goal. Now hes one of the most dangerous forwards in the game.

Here are some players that can slide down the draft order, and could possibly end up at the lions.

Shane Kersten

Club: South Fremantle

Age: 18

Height: 190cm

Weight: 88kg

“Powerful forward who is strong overhead and a long kick. Kicked five goals against Queensland in the 2010 NAB AFL Under 18 Championships as a 17 year old but missed 2011 Championships due to injury.”

Fraser McInnes

Club: Perth

Age: 18

Height: 194cm

Weight: 87kg

“Tall forward/ruckman who is strong overhead and reads the game very well. Left footer who presents well as a target. Missed Under 18 Championships due to injury.”

Michael Bussey

Club: Eastern Ranges/Rowville FC

Age: 18

Height: 196cm

Weight: 81kg
“Part of the 13th intake into the AIS/AFL Academy. Showed his versatility when he represented Vic Metro at the Under 18 Championships; can play back/forward or midfield. He is very athletic and starting to have a physical presence with his defensive skills.”

Tom Curran

Club: Oakleigh Chargers/Waverley College

Age: 17

Height: 195cm

Weight: 86kg

“Represented Vic Metro in three games at the Under 18 Championships. He is a hard working key position player, son of former Hawk Peter Curran. Is very well built, a good kick and loves the hard contests.”

Jake Hammond

Club: Oakleigh Chargers/Blackburn FC

Age: 18

Height: 190cm

Weight: 82kg
“Has a terrific pair of hands and his judgment in marking contests is excellent. He is a very good left foot kick, especially for goal, has very good endurance (14+ beep) for his size and is also very agile.”

Dylan Orval

Club: Oakleigh Chargers/ Caulfield Grammar

Age: 18

Height: 192cm

Weight: 81kg

Has an excellent leap and is a very good overhead mark, both contested and on the lead. He is a booming kick with good accuracy. Makes smart decisions by both hand and foot. Knee injury put him out of Nationals. Father, Mark, played at Collingwood.”

Jackson Paine

Club: Sandringham Dragons/ Melbourne Grammar

Age: 18

Height: 194cm

Weight: 86kg

“Represented Vic Metro at the Under 18 Championships. He is a very strong key position player who runs very hard at the contest and has the ability to split open a pack with his strong marking.”

Lachlan Smith

Club: Murray Bushrangers/ Benalla FC

Age: 17

Height: 190cm

Weight: 80kg

“Has a good pair of hands, either on the lead or in contested marking situations. He reads the ball well in the air and his field kicking and decision making skills are very good.”

Jordan Staley

Club: Gippsland Power/ Foster FC

Age: 18

Height: 194cm

Weight: 90kg

“Represented Vic Country in three games at the Under 18 Championships averaging 12.3 hit outs a game in a ruckman/tall forward roll. Attacks the ball with vigour in the air. He is an excellent long and accurate kick at goal.”

Patrick Wearden

Club: Murray Bushrangers/ Kyabram

Age: 17

Height: 191cm

Weight: 75kg

Is a long kick and strong mark, reads the game well and can be dangerous around goals. Very athletic player with good repeat speed.”
 

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Is this O'Meara as good as being made out? Can tell a lot of Bigfooty people are saying they want him so bad just because of third hand information.

If anyone's seen him live, what's the fuss about?
 
He'd cost too much. We'd be better off targeting a GC ruckman.
 

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I think we should target WHE with pick 8 and go tall next. I can imagine the talent and pace of him, polec and bartlett running and breaking lines through the middle.
 
Indeed Polec and WHE as a wing combination could be potentially devastating
 
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