2011 Draft Discussion

[JasRulz63]

Interesting that before Dyson Heppell, four years in a row, pick 8 was a tall of some kind.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Sorry dude, but these kind of categorical statements are my biggest gripe about this place (and the internet in general).I know it's your opinion, but I hate it when it's presented as fact. Truthfully, you surely cannot know for certain?

well obviously I dont know...but im sure the lions have made clear they will target youth over the coming years after our failed trade year with Fev and Co.

Also, why on earth would we need to put pick 8 on the table when we have a player like mitch clark on the trade table!!! Seriously, it is pretty damm obvious that any trade in will involve Mitch Clark in a 3 way or on trading what we get for him.

Mitch Clark and tippet are on par with each other in value on teh trade market...why bother talking about pick 8? that was may point I should have explained better perhaps.

I also think that trading out our pick 8 and potential missing out on a gun youngster like buntine, hoskin-elliot etc would be career suicide for Voss & co. if Tippett continues to go backwards in form

 

[Balony_pony16]

I might be slow...but why all the sudden is the pick 8 talk happening? was there a press release regarding it that I missed?

 

[cotter101]

I might be slow...but why all the sudden is the pick 8 talk happening? was there a press release regarding it that I missed?

I assume the talk is coming from the Interest in Tippet.

 

[POBT]

2010 - Dyson Heppell
2009 - John Butcher
2008 - Tyrone Vickery
2007 - Lachlan Henderson
2006 - Ben Reid

The science of drafting is improving all the time. That is a pretty solid group over the past 5 years. I still think Tippett holds his own by comparison but that list surprises me in terms of the success rate of pick 8s.

 

[pauldrc]

So if we somehow ended up with Tippet and Beams, but no early 1st round picks, (maybe also missing one of our end rd/compo pick also) are we doing the right thing for our long term future?

Sure both these guys are reasonably young, but is that what we really need? I can't see at all what I think is best, and no doubt I'm sure the club will also have a lot to think about....no go home factor and (sort of) proven potential Vs ???? (Hoskin-Elliot sounds pretty tempting...).

 

[Grimreepah]

The science of drafting is improving all the time. That is a pretty solid group over the past 5 years. I still think Tippett holds his own by comparison but that list surprises me in terms of the success rate of pick 8s.

I reckon the list will look worse in 5 years time. The downside takes longer to present in players than the upside.

 

[Balony_pony16]

So if we somehow ended up with Tippet and Beams, but no early 1st round picks, (maybe also missing one of our end rd/compo pick also) are we doing the right thing for our long term future?

Sure both these guys are reasonably young, but is that what we really need? I can't see at all what I think is best, and no doubt I'm sure the club will also have a lot to think about....no go home factor and (sort of) proven potential Vs ???? (Hoskin-Elliot sounds pretty tempting...).

I think we need to keep our pick 8 for the chance to draft a future gun...any trade in should be done involving Mitch Clark in a 3 way or on trading. If we have to give up one of our 2nd rd'ish picks as extra but not our pick 8.

and by the look at the resources the lions are putting into draft week/camp I doubt they will start trading out picks, and especially the first one.

 

[POBT]

I reckon the list will look worse in 5 years time. The downside takes longer to present in players than the upside.

I'll back my judgment and say that all 5 of those will play 200 games, injuries permitting.

 

[Special88]

People, including myself, focus on the upside (eg. a chance to get the next Bartell!!!!) but if you average it all out a 24 year old Tippett is an above average result.

Just draft Taylor Adams who will probably be available at pick 16. He's the next Bartel.

 

[POBT]

and by the look at the resources the lions are putting into draft week/camp I doubt they will start trading out picks, and especially the first one.

I wouldn't have thought that their energies will be directed too much at the 1st pick. The late 20s and early 30s picks are where we'll win or lose in this year's draft.

 

[Balony_pony16]

I wouldn't have thought that their energies will be directed too much at the 1st pick. The late 20s and early 30s picks are where we'll win or lose in this year's draft.

yeah good point, but Im sure are would want to get their 1st pick right and have probaly aready spent a heap of time getting their 1st preference sorted over the year.

I just hope we have a long term plan in place that includes keeping our 1st picks and not steer away from that.

because really, if a player like Mitch Clark leaves the team and we cant get Tippett in return then Im happy with conceding that it is just not meant to be.

I just really want us to head into this draft with a top 10 pick...just how I feel

 

[Grimreepah]

I'll back my judgment and say that all 5 of those will play 200 games, injuries permitting.

I would happily bet that won't happen (if there wasn't an ambiguous waiver).

 

[Hollow Knight]

I just really want us to head into this draft with a top 10 pick...just how I feel

How much of that is not wanting to miss out on the Christmas-day like feel of draft day though?

The off-season period is about improving the list, you look at all opportunities.

What if we take 3 talls in this draft and they are all busts. Then we find ourselves with a gun midfield in 4 years with no one to kick it to. Really don't think we're in a position to be passing up known quality (if we can get it at a fair price).

 

[Balony_pony16]

How much of that is not wanting to miss out on the Christmas-day like feel of draft day though?

The off-season period is about improving the list, you look at all opportunities.

What if we take 3 talls in this draft and they are all busts. Then we find ourselves with a gun midfield in 4 years with no one to kick it to. Really don't think we're in a position to be passing up known quality (if we can get it at a fair price).

I agree, but remember we have Mitch Clark leaving Via trade who has the same trade value as tippet...I just think there is no need to be putting our pick 8 on the table.

If we lose pick 8 and Mitch clark for Tippet and pick 16, I just dont see how that is improving our list

 

[Hollow Knight]

I agree, but remember we have Mitch Clark leaving Via trade who has the same trade value as tippet...I just think there is no need to be putting our pick 8 on the table.

If we lose pick 8 and Mitch clark for Tippet and pick 16, I just dont see how that is improving our list

Mitch is gone regardless. Remove him from the equation and it makes more sense.

Also, IMO, in terms of trade value, Contracted Kurt > Uncontracted Mitch.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Mitch is gone regardless. Remove him from the equation and it makes more sense.

Also, IMO, in terms of trade value, Contracted Kurt > Uncontracted Mitch.

Not really, because I see the whole potential tippet trade as the Lions management team seeing a opportunity to target tippet as part of or as a result of the Clark deal...as we already have a heap of draft picks, and any extra we get for Clark could be used to trade in. I doubt the whole tippet trade talk would be taking place if Clark wasn't heading home. If clark was a leaving for SA then these discussion would be easy as it would be a straight Tippet/Clark swap, so I just dont see Kerr giving in with pick 8 to get the deal done...he is a better wheeler and dealer then that

 

[Balony_pony16]

I have all faith in Kerr that he will keep our pick 8 and come draft day our fingers will be crossed for Hoskin-Elliot to be ripe for our picking

 

[LionKing]

No way in hell is Tippett worth pick 8. Didn't sit through a crap season to throw away pick 8 on an inconsistent bloke who has some 'potential'.

His brother had potential also and we all no how that turned out

 

[Hollow Knight]

No way in hell is Tippett worth pick 8. Didn't sit through a crap season to throw away pick 8 on an inconsistent bloke who has some 'potential'.

His brother had potential also and we all no how that turned out

Aren't draft picks nothing but potential?

 

[Lace Out]

Getting Tippett in is like instant gratification but I think keeping pick 8 will add to a longer lasting organic journey.I'm prepared to wait 3 years to make the finals again.

 

[LionKing]

Aren't draft picks nothing but potential?

Yes they are potential and I would rather leave it up to the likes of Rob Kerr and Graeme Hadley to unearth that untapped potential from the draft.

These blokes would have known for a while now that our draft pick would be around pick 8 and I am confident they have their eye on a couple of quality kids.

 

[Tetris]

Getting Tippett in is like instant gratification but I think keeping pick 8 will add to a longer lasting organic journey.I'm prepared to wait 3 years to make the finals again.

And in three years Tippett will still be 27/28

Personally, I am perfectly fine with getting Tippett with pick 8, and I am perfectly fine keeping it. I can see the benefits of both, and it really doesn't bother me either way.

 

[Lace Out]

And in three years Tippett will still be 27/28

Personally, I am perfectly fine with getting Tippett with pick 8, and I am perfectly fine keeping it. I can see the benefits of both, and it really doesn't bother me either way.

Anyway,should just wait for 12 months when he's uncontracted and confirmed his homesickness.

 

[Zumbido]

While I recognise that Tippett would be a good get for our team, for me it all depends on the price. If he's on $700k as reported then it's a big no regardless of the trade. He's a 'nice to have' and not a required player for the Lions. We're a young team now, and not anywhere near being in a position to 'top up' with a talent like Kurt. That said, if he comes cheap I wouldn't think twice - but he's contracted and pick 8 is NOT cheap.

I say go to the draft, and if we find ourselves in need of a big ruck-forward to push for top 4 in a few years, then reopen discussions. By all means have a chat to him and get him thinking about coming home, but now is not the right time for mine.