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Can't we use this thread to discuss more important things like "how bad is PK running this year".

Show a little emotion for the guy...he has finished 2nd and 25th and thought he had it all locked down. Imagine the truth that is staring him in the face right now.

Should we start a collection?
 
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wow SJ. ur last couple of posts have been... well, probably best not to say.
Ur not seriously going to claim that i havent been ganged up on in this thread?

If you go back to very early on in this thread i said that it was being ruined by SJ.

Good points Gibbs - this thread really is all about you

This thread was supposed to be about fun. About ribbing someone you have a rivalry with. Definitely not what it has turned out to be.
 
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FBDonkey said:
wow SJ. ur last couple of posts have been... well, probably best not to say.
Ur not seriously going to claim that i havent been ganged up on in this thread?

If you go back to very early on in this thread i said that it was being ruined by SJ. Today has just confirmed that.

Good points Gibbs - this thread really is all about you
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Good man FB.

Obv i'm completely nuts but if i may offer my services here as an unbiased commentator on this. I'm not with the SCE or YSCC!

I thought the initial league bet a silly bet in terms of it requires so many luck factors - apologies FB. People drop out and your league/money is gone. The bet is really about which group is more committed! Committed when certain team members start falling off the top 1000/5000 radar.

As a gambler who has gambled on anything and everything, it is really a poor bet to make...just too many factors coming into it. YSSC might have a closer nit community giving them a huge advantange. I think you know that FB so you want the bet knowing everything held even, you will win.

As for the make up of YSSC leagues and cross pollination of YSCC leagues to make them stronger...well that is YSSC business, except of course if they start claiming bragging rights. If their top 2-5 players are in all leagues, it would seem a bit off in terms of claiming bragging rights.

I think to claim these rights the leagues should be completely independent. If not, it is simply like me creating 2-5 single teams and when asked on this forum, I would quote my top team each week and not mention my other teams...then it makes me look better than I am.

Basically, it is just about the lustre of the achievement means less!

Now, I started writing this with more of an affinity with FBDonkey as he is a good poster (not saying SJ isnt), but as I put the above info together it just came out on the side of SJ.

Bloody interesting that!
 
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By the same token though, if one player in multiple leagues bombs, he can drag them all down, so you take the good with the bad. I'm not particularly fussed how they go about it league-wise, but given the bragging I find this confected air of offence and evasion quite amusing. One might even suggest a vested interest in manufacturing surplus high-ranking leagues, what with the constant plugging. I think people are entitled to be sceptical, and some of the attitude displayed isn't helping on that score.

What I am personally interested in though is who YSCCE are and how they're performing as individuals. I note there are only ~30 with tags, but surely there must be a few more kicking around to fill three leagues without much doubling up. The same goes for FFC and TS of course. Get yourself into one of these groups and it's a pretty good sign that you've got a fair handle on the game, and are as such in direct competition with the rest of us for the real aim of it all. I keep tabs on the likes of PK and Woody for this specific reason.
 

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FBDonkey said:
haha. come on BF and get SCE to gang up on you in a thread!! For all those that dont realise, pretty much everyone that has posted in this thread against me is SCE. What a suprise they would be backing up their boy????

We have no need to answer questions about the specifics of YSCCE. I dont come in here asking questions about SCE. As a rival group why would i want to divulge information to you about selection of leagues and our make-up?

If this thread is going to turn into SJ and his goons ganging up on me then i withdraw. I know of a community that works together a lot better than this community - check out the link in my signature.
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As an impartial observer, I don't belong to any "elite" club, here's my unbiased take on this thread:

FBDonkey wants to start a pissing contest with BF in order for YSCC to gain continued exposure to the wider audience that BF provides.

That's pretty much it.


Now I'm not sitting back and judging that position negatively, because in all honesty this is the only entertaining thread on the SC forum of BF. So long may it continue.

What I will say is if you create an exclusive forum for "elites" you're going to have to wear the perception of arrogance and aloofness that comes with it. To the larger SC public you cannot help but be the Cobra Kai to everyone else's Ralph Macchio.

I say relish this position, because really, the forums on FFC, BF, YSSC and TS are pretty boring places during the week. We need villains in JM's absence.
 
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I'm a bit torn on this debate, as while I'm a member of the YSCC Elites, I also love posting within certain confines of the BigFooty SC board, despite having to trowel through a lot 'newbie' speak.

What I can say though, is that I love the fact that this thread has, intentionally or not, through the discussions between (mainly) FB and SJ, formed the perfect basis for a forum v forum rivalry - despite no bets being placed.

So in essence the thread title's been a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy :eek: :D :thumbsu:

BlueGibbs2011 said:
We are breathing fire into this thing to help it keep going; it's the best thread we got!
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Little Big John said:
Now I'm not sitting back and judging that position negatively, because in all honesty this is the only entertaining thread on the SC forum of BF. So long may it continue.
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Unfortunately this seems more and more to be the case on the BFSC board :(

Making this the best thread on the BFSC board by far!*





















*(apart from my preview threads)
 
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spud_jjj said:
Unfortunately this seems more and more to be the case on the BFSC board :(
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Might have something to do with all the good posters getting enticed away with the promise of capital letters after their names. The top BF divisions seem to (sensibly) serve as a bit of a recruiting ground, and unless the result is a No-Passengers-esque attempt to improve the turf outside the treehouse, forum quality will obviously suffer. Perhaps Judd_Magic needs to start up JMElite next year and coax a few back.
 
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Blue Bloods said:
Didn't I just beat you in Carlton Div1, if you can't beat me no chance to beat PK.

But I'm on your side Go BlueGibbs:thumbsu:
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Yes bluebloods, you beat me along with everyone else. Lost all my games with a lowly 2100.

I was up until the last minute then I saw you had Bartel and I just hung my head in despair!

I'm no longer going for league win, total points or anything of the like. I'm just going for a win that will beat PK who is suffering a horrendous run. I'm licking my chops at bringing in Little Roo and Broughton at hakf the price. Forget whether they are on people's radar or nor, it is simply the fact that I can buy them at half the price of PK! Of course, if he sideways trades, he leaves me holding the dogshit...he wouldnt do that would he :rolleyes:.

This is a game of chess now, not supercoach!

Did I mention i'm in front, and still have 22 trades which is frikkin unbelievable restraint from me!
 
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Little Big John said:
What I will say is if you create an exclusive forum for "elites" you're going to have to wear the perception of arrogance and aloofness that comes with it. To the larger SC public you cannot help but be the Cobra Kai to everyone else's Ralph Macchio.
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Whilst many may see these private forums as arrogance this is a far cry from the truth.

Many of the members from YSCC, SCE, TS and the likes still post on BF public forums albeit no where near as much as we used to. It's a place for quality posters to get together and air their ideas and thoughts without having to troll throw tons of spam.

Now as arrogant as that sounds, getting the right information out between members of the private leagues is imperative in having a successful year. Our teams are kept isolated until lock-out yet we share information regarding where structures, players, teams etc etc.....No different to many quality posters on BF yet minus a lot of the rubbish that taints these boards.

TBH, the DT board has been full of rubbish for years and this SC used to be a place of solace away from DT....

I ack there are some great posters on the public board and you'll find these guys will be picked up by private leagues when their results reflect their posting.

As BlueGibbs suggest, you would be better of outlaying your money on Black Cavier then a bet you basically have no control over whatsover.
 

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FBDonkey said:
haha. fairly bad week for us but the kings still have a 7 spot lead over BF Div1. At least we still hold 4 of the top 6 league spots :thumbsu:

I scored a horrible 2050 this week which saw me drop from 38th to 599th. I think im about 28 points behind SJ now. very close indeed.
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Yeah I gathered you guys would have as PK scored less than me in our cash league. But my star studded midfield of Curnow, Jp Kennedy, Cotchin, Swallow, Harris, Krak, Libba, Heppell and Bewick does instill fear into most other teams with my massive scoring potential :D
 
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Hey N.T

I completely understand the desire to have intelligent discussion regarding SC unencumbered by, how best to put this, newbies simply seeking validation for having picked the same team as everyone else. I understand the desire to participate in a forum where everyone contributes their own well-researched, independent opinions.

For my part, I mostly limit my SC discussion to TS gameday chat, where only the true tragics appear, and with my brother who calls for CD, who has managed to make a career out of this tragedy.

But I stand by what I posted earlier. If you create a forum that is exclusive, that labels itself elite, you cannot help but be perceived as, well, elitist. No amount of protest to the contrary will change this perception when the actual discussion is cloaked in secrecy. It's simply a natural consequence; secrecy generates suspicion. And I feel like you're aware of this too N.T.

Now I don't have a moral opinion one way or the other about this division, I'm just relishing the evolution of SC on forums.

And I wanted to get in a Karate Kid reference.
 
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@ S2B - i hope you didnt have to sift through all the crap after that post to find my response...

Anything could happen in the next few weeks so i think the bet is pretty close. I cant see BFdiv2 on the leaderboard tho which is not good for you.

S2B v FBD - now that is a rivalry - born out of gross suckout in a poker tournament that i made on him about 3 years ago. He has been waiting 3 years for revenge...:D
 
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FWIW not every YSCC team is tagged as such. We promoted the idea last year but didn't really push it this year. Some of the 2011 recruits haven't tagged themselves up and some last year didn't have haven't again this year.

This is to respond to someone who must have searched on YSCC in the team ranking and counted us up.

I don't take the sinister POV with the discussion groups. It's just an extension of 2 mates bouncing ideas off one another really. I don't do it out of feeling elite. Moreso it's an opportunity to share ideas with people you know are reliable and good SCers rather than posting ideas out into the ether and hoping someone agrees with your wrong headed plan (if that particular plan is wrong headed).

What is interesting every year is how widely apart some of the scores within the group end up being. You'd think a smaller discussion group would end up with very similar teams but that's not how it works out. There's the essential core of players and then you take your individual good things and run with them and it's amazing how different the weekly scores can be.
 

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Little Big John said:
I say relish this position, because really, the forums on FFC, BF, YSSC and TS are pretty boring places during the week. We need villains in JM's absence.
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I'm a villain? LOL! :p

Hey I'm still here, just haven't been as viral due to how horrible I have been going. Ha! Ha! Ha! :D:thumbsu:
 
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Judd_Magic said:
I'm a villain? LOL! :p

Hey I'm still here, just haven't been as viral due to how horrible I have been going. Ha! Ha! Ha! :D:thumbsu:
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Bit like Herpes, comes up like a rash causing much annoyance, then disappears for a while to allow life to go on as normal, then boom! Back again.

(So I Hear).
 
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Parasite said:
Ha! Big brother is watching...closely.
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Do you get the feeling some Mods may just follow you around the boards Parasite????:D

May have an auto notification when ever you post something.....Come on Mods lighten up!

Are you part of YSCC JM? :D:thumbsu::D:thumbsu::thumbsu:
 
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