2011 rivalries and bets

[SJ]

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SJ is now in front by 32 points. I think i have held a slight lead for about 10 weeks. I dont think either of us would be overly happy with how our teams are tracking tho - they have both hovered between 2k and 3k ranking for most of the year.

I traded JRoo to LeCras this week. Hopefuly that is the POD that will get me across the line.

Im surprised SJ hasnt been in front for a while. He has a much better team than i do. I think he has 2 more premiums than me. I would need to get pretty lucky from here.

Im leading the YSCC v BFDiv1 bet against BeamsToSidebottom so should have insurance against losing to SJ.

I was a bit unlucky with Bartel, Mundy and Montagna all playing on field when they got injured (although you probably had a couple of those too). Also I've held onto Rioli this entire time so although I've had an extra premium he has missed many of those weeks.

Really regretting my Shaw to Hurn trade, was hoping it would be a point of difference over the rest of the competition but Broughton has cost me over 100 points in only two weeks now.

 

[NT.Thunder]

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Welcome back FB

Is it possible for you to give us an insight into how the YSCC leagues are travelling in regards to individual team performances and any issues that you may be having that are really hurting your performances/???

I'm not trolling and am genuinely interested as I know how you can really have a strong initial league early in the season and then you lose a couple of coaches for whatever reason or they just give up on their teams because of possible poor overall performance.

I must say this years SCE2 has been outstanding by all coaches fighting it out till the end of season and it is really showing in the end results.

It makes a huge difference to overall league ranking when all the teams are 100% committed.

All the best for the run home.

 

[FBDonkey]

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@NTThunder. I actually got up to Darwin recently to watch Thunder v GWS. The Thunder are a might impressive team. Great tackling pressure and an exciting brand of footy.

On YSCC leagues. There are a few issues that have gotten in the way for us. All teams from the Kings league have remained committed, though we have had a team in the Aces lose motivation. We have some coaches that are used to sitting in the top 1k that have perhaps taken a few extra risks to get back up there which may have effected their scoring.

I think it is really mainly about common picks and common not picks. There is no direction as to who you can or cant pick (like ive heard about other groups) but generally through discussion there is a tendancy to lean towards some players and miss others. Common picks that hurt us were players like Mundy, Rioli, JRoo, Boyd. A lot of it is bad luck - eg make forced trades Selwood to Mundy then Mundy to Boyd and just end up missing out on all the good scoring. We also had a fair few teams with Watson which was good early in the season but has since been costly - especially seen as so many of his replacements have gotten injured.

We have also missed some key players. Many coaches avoided Ablett due to SOS and durability concerns. This made a huge difference. Due to the rnd 6 bye many of us didnt pick Pav as well which has been a huge negative POD for us.

Many of our teams were designed to survive the byes and i think we underestimated the compensation we recieved. 4 extra trades, increased start bank and 3 bench players i think reduced our competitive advantage.

There are probably a lot of other reasons that will come out in our season review.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

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@NTThunder. I actually got up to Darwin recently to watch Thunder v GWS. The Thunder are a might impressive team. Great tackling pressure and an exciting brand of footy.

On YSCC leagues. There are a few issues that have gotten in the way for us. All teams from the Kings league have remained committed, though we have had a team in the Aces lose motivation. We have some coaches that are used to sitting in the top 1k that have perhaps taken a few extra risks to get back up there which may have effected their scoring.

I think it is really mainly about common picks and common not picks. There is no direction as to who you can or cant pick (like ive heard about other groups) but generally through discussion there is a tendancy to lean towards some players and miss others. Common picks that hurt us were players like Mundy, Rioli, JRoo, Boyd. A lot of it is bad luck - eg make forced trades Selwood to Mundy then Mundy to Boyd and just end up missing out on all the good scoring. We also had a fair few teams with Watson which was good early in the season but has since been costly - especially seen as so many of his replacements have gotten injured.

We have also missed some key players. Many coaches avoided Ablett due to SOS and durability concerns. This made a huge difference. Due to the rnd 6 bye many of us didnt pick Pav as well which has been a huge negative POD for us.

Many of our teams were designed to survive the byes and i think we underestimated the compensation we recieved. 4 extra trades, increased start bank and 3 bench players i think reduced our competitive advantage.

There are probably a lot of other reasons that will come out in our season review.

Great post FB, good to see you back posting

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

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PK

Deal?

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

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PK

Deal?

C'mon PK, talk to me

We both have 1 trade left...if you bring in fisher for shaw, that leaves you with none, and if one of your prem mids goes down late, then gg .

And let's not forget you only made ground this week because the stars aligned for you with johnson a late out (and murphy an out comlpicating things) and fisher an early sub. Change those two events and it would have been a draw.

One piece of bad luck could end it still...well end it for either of us!

I still have 1 week up my sleeve before we go 50/50 into the final 5 weeks.

Let's do a deal! C'mon, the money or the box!

 

[LiverpoolRed]

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Lol, so desperate.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

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Lol, so desperate.

hehe, does sound it doesnt it

 

[Pedsy]

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No guts no glory BG2011!

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

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No guts no glory BG2011!

lol...PK is crunching his numbers as we speak...he will offer a 80/20 split now and a bottle of lube!

So dont worry, this is just all part of the fun...we'll be duking it it out to the finish!

Just between you and me, i've crunched my numbers and i'm feeling 40% confident. Or is 40% a misnomer for not confident at all

 

[Impromptu]

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lol...PK is crunching his numbers as we speak...he will offer a 80/20 split now and a bottle of lube!

So dont worry, this is just all part of the fun...we'll be duking it it out to the finish!

Just between you and me, i've crunched my numbers and i'm feeling 40% confident. Or is 40% a misnomer for not confident at all

What was the bet again?

$500?

Therefore $400/$100?

How much is a bottle of lube? Whatever that is?

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

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What was the bet again?

$500?

Therefore $400/$100?

How much is a bottle of lube? Whatever that is?

Hey prompts,


Good to see you still on top!

Original bet was $1000

I can't bring myself to explain the second bit.

PK has offered a 60/40 split (in his favour) for some of the money. It is not an unreasonable offer but I refused because 1) we have already dealt on some of the money and 2) I love to gamble.

I instigated this deal, and Pk has instigated other deals! Great fun to be honest...i had him bent over early doors now it is his time knowing my lead is evaporating fast with nowhere to run (weaker team)!

I'm hoping there is another twist in the tale before season's end so i can turn the screws back

To be honest, PK is the real deal and despite not featuring in the top echelons this year, having watched his every move, he has suffered more bad luck than most and he is still making ground in the home straight .

 

[SJ]

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Just realised that 11 of the 32 SCE players are in the top 240, which is unbelievable!

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

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Just realised that 11 of the 32 SCE players are in the top 240, which is unbelievable!

That is a great result

Just wondering how close their teams are player-wise? Do you guys have your own SC forum, or are the SCE teams simply selected on previous year's results?

I know some people have said YSSC teams are very similar...is that the same for SCE with the exception that this year, they picked the right group/path. Always a big luck component on which way you go. Maybe YSSC or TS get the mix right next year!

 

[Impromptu]

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That is a great result

Just wondering how close their teams are player-wise? Do you guys have your own SC forum, or are the SCE teams simply selected on previous year's results?

I just joined SCE this year and we have a policy where we can't disclose our full team until after lock-out.

I told them that even if I disclosed my team, noone would even copy me as generally my team can be crazy (ie Astbury, Jesse O'Brien )...I actually read good stuff about Astbury during pre-season therefore, never trust on pre-season form/reports..LOL

In relation to your other questions, I'll let someone else answer.

 

[sblack]

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We have a private sub-forum from this SC board.

We take into account rankings and contributions to this main board and all that to decide members.

I can't really say about how close teams were at the start of the season, or even now for that matter. Everyone has different styles, if that's trying to get unique POD, or trying to cancel out a POD by picking a popular players. Starting teams (as Prompts has said), aren't allowed to be disclosed before hand, but after so much discussion you get an idea of the premiums and rookies everyone has. It is the unique selections that people like to keep to themselves, eg. I was the only member to select Hanley preseason, while others went the route of R. Tarrant, or JOB, or a couple other names around that price bracket.

In relation to our rank, I think it is more to do with complete commitment from all 32 members. Last season we had a couple of drop outs (myself included), so our rankings suffered. Similar things have happened to YSCC this season. But we have shown this potential before; in 2009 SCE1 (There was only 1 league back then) was ranked 1/2 after the end of season glitches in the SC Leagues

 

[dylan123]

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Thought I'd better let Impromptu know that Dylan's FFC is coming for him!

I am only 1,822 points behind him at the moment but when you consider our recent team averages (1 game) mine is sitting at 2,714 to his 2,576 which means I am up by 138 points.

Now you add on another 71 points I get from now as Judd will be my captain instead of Ablett and another 50 odd points once I move Newman and that gets me up to 259 points a week gain. Just a bit of luck needs to come my way and I will get that #1 title in no time!!


Congrats on your current ranking atm and good luck for the rest of the season.

 

[NT.Thunder]

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We have a private sub-forum from this SC board.

We take into account rankings and contributions to this main board and all that to decide members.

I can't really say about how close teams were at the start of the season, or even now for that matter. Everyone has different styles, if that's trying to get unique POD, or trying to cancel out a POD by picking a popular players. Starting teams (as Prompts has said), aren't allowed to be disclosed before hand, but after so much discussion you get an idea of the premiums and rookies everyone has. It is the unique selections that people like to keep to themselves, eg. I was the only member to select Hanley preseason, while others went the route of R. Tarrant, or JOB, or a couple other names around that price bracket.

In relation to our rank, I think it is more to do with complete commitment from all 32 members. Last season we had a couple of drop outs (myself included), so our rankings suffered. Similar things have happened to YSCC this season. But we have shown this potential before; in 2009 SCE1 (There was only 1 league back then) was ranked 1/2 after the end of season glitches in the SC Leagues

And I think I was the only member to end up starting with Sammy Fisher after we discussed his potential to return to premium status this year.

I remember when we listed the total number of selections of players within our SC teams over the 2 SCE leagues and we actually had a pretty big spread. I can't remember exact numbers; hiwever I might revisit the post for interest sake.

By memory not many of us had ROK in our initial starting line up, yet his numbers early meant he was a quick addition.

Grimes was also a popular pipck for us and pretty sure not many of us will be looking at him again.

 

[Impromptu]

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Thought I'd better let Impromptu know that Dylan's FFC is coming for him!

Just a bit of luck needs to come my way and I will get that #1 title in no time!!

Congrats on your current ranking atm and good luck for the rest of the season.

Thanks mate, fortune favours the brave (well hopefully lol)

By memory not many of us had ROK in our initial starting line up, yet his numbers early meant he was a quick addition.

Grimes was also a popular pipck for us and pretty sure not many of us will be looking at him again.

Not sure if this was very predictable but read my comments within the brackets -

- Not many of us had ROK in our initial starting line up (Impromptu had ROK)
- Grimes was also a popular pick for us (Impromptu didn't have Grimes)

In short, I play russian roulette in the Supercoach world (and rely a bit of luck)

 

[Spartan]

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Grimes was also a popular pipck for us and pretty sure not many of us will be looking at him again.

I think I was only 1 of 2 of us that didn't have Buddy.

That was fixed quickly.

 

[dylan123]

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By memory not many of us had ROK in our initial starting line up, yet his numbers early meant he was a quick addition.

I think there were pretty good reasons for this due to ROK having a groin reconstruction over the pre season which I doubt many of us had of heard of before which put many of us off him. He did start strong which I didn't expect although he dropped off for a little after about a month and could have been picked up extremely cheap (assuming his average followed the similar pattern it did in DT).

Grimes was also a popular pipck for us and pretty sure not many of us will be looking at him again.

Again, strong reasons to pick him due to the "value" he held if his body could hold up. Also thought that if he did go down he would make a lot but not much you can do when he gets injured in the first few minutes of a game which ruined his price completely and was a major kick to the guts...


Whether people are willing to admit it or not, I believe most dt/sc groups will have similar players as they will discuss them in the pre season (as you can only post so much on team strategies and such unless you want a very quiet board). I know I will talk about the pros/cons of players x and y in my point of view or how I can see the potential to improve and other posters will either agree and add to it or disagree and add their point of view. And after a lot of discussion on multiple players I think it's far to say there are normally some very strong pros/cons raised for each player which either make coaches avoid or lean towards picking them.

Exactly the same as what happens on bigfooty really but possibly more discussion/in depth.

 

[sblack]

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I found the post which contains the Player Breakdowns for SCE2 and I assume SCE1 is below it in the thread somewhere.

Don't know if I'm allowed to post it though... SJ? Anyone else want to weigh in? I assume this is publicly accessible knowledge anyway.

 

[SJ]

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I found the post which contains the Player Breakdowns for SCE2 and I assume SCE1 is below it in the thread somewhere.

Don't know if I'm allowed to post it though... SJ? Anyone else want to weigh in? I assume this is publicly accessible knowledge anyway.

Yeah fine with me.

 

[sblack]

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SCE1

Defenders
16 – Gibbs, Goddard, Lower, Duigan, Stanley
15 – Grimes, Deledio
12 – Toy
9 –Heppell
8 – Otten
4 – Broughton
3 – Coad
2 – Tarrant, Hurn, Hibberd
1 – H Shaw, Newman, Enright, Batchelor, H Taylor, Adcock, Everitt, Duffield

Midfield
15 – Harris
14 – D Swallow
12 – Bewick, Swan
11 – Judd
10 – Conca
9 – Bartel, Krakeour
7 – Liberatore
6 – Montagna
5 – Pendlebury, Heppell
4 - Ward
3 – Murphy, Selwood, Savage, Hibberd
2 – Foley, Prestia, Isles, Ablett
1 – Cross, Goodes, Cotchin, Irons, Curnow, Atley

Rucks
16 – Sandilands
15 – Cox
14 – Smith
9 – Tippett
4 – Petrie
2 - Bailey
1 – Ryder, Bathie, Vardy, Derickx

Forwards
16 – Franklin, Richardson, N Riewoldt
15 – Darling, Matera
14 - Goodes
9 – Tapscott, Higgins, Knights
8 - Petrie
7 – Rioli, Krakeour
5 - Yarran
3 - Prestia
2 – Pavlich, Sylvia, S Johnson, Dixon
1 - K Tippett, Didak, I Smith

SCE2:

Gibbs: 16
Lower: 16
Duigan: 16
Grimes: 15
Stanley: 15
Goddard: 14
Toy: 13
Deledio: 10
Hibberd: 7
Otten: 4
Broughton: 3
Enright: 3
Coad: 3
Adcock: 2
Tarrant: 2
Duffield: 2
H.Shaw: 1
Taylor: 1
Bruce: 1
Newman: 1
O'Brien: 1
K.Hunt: 1
Everitt: 1
Fisher: 1
Hanley: 1
Batchelor: 1
Hurn: 1
Grundy: 1
Hurley: 1
Wood: 1
Lester: 1

Harris: 16
Pendlebury: 14
Heppel: 12
Bewick: 12
D.Swallow: 11
Swan: 10
Conca: 10
Murphy: 8
Judd: 7
Prestia: 6
Bartel: 6
J.Selwood: 6
Montagna: 6
Atley: 5
Liberatore: 4
Ward: 3
Dal Santo: 2
Foley: 2
Irons: 2
Boak: 1
Cotchin: 1
Pittard: 1
Cross: 1
A.Swallow: 1
Savage: 1

Sandilands: 16
Cox: 15
Smith: 11
McCauley: 6
J.Tippet: 5
Bailey: 2
Fraser: 2
Luenberger: 1

N.Riewoldt: 16
Richardson: 16
Matera: 16
Krakouer: 15
Goodes: 15
Franklin: 14
Petrie: 12
Darling: 12
Tapscott: 12
Knights: 9
Higgins: 8
Yarran: 6
O'Keefe: 3
Pavlich: 3
Dixon: 2
Rioli: 2
S.Johnson: 2
Harvey: 1
Varcoe: 1
Astbury: 1

 

[toxic]

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wow awesome info - how do i access this information - I'll do it for the highly touted but slightly underperforming Div 29