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2011 Wimbledon (Part 1)

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Power King said:
For example, he is the favourite against JMDP, but would anyone be genuinely shocked if JMDP won? Surprised maybe, but shocked, I wouldn't be.
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Why not? Because he beat Nadal a couple of times on hardcourts a few years ago before he got injured?

Hardcourts are by far Del Potro's best surface, and Nadal's worst (aside from maybe carpet). JMDP has never beaten a top ten player on grass. He's pants.

I can't see anything happening here except Nadal in 3.

Wickzki said:
I must congratulate Soderling for surpassing all of my expectations.

Before Tomic had even played a point in the second round I said that Soderling would be lucky to take a single set against Tomic to the tenth game. Not only did he force a set to a 7-5 but he also took one to 6-4.

Congratulations, Soderling. However, you're not in Tomic's class even if Tomic was blindfolded.
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If Soderling was on song, I honestly don't think Tomic would have won. He hit far too many loose shots to Soderling's forehand that just weren't capitalised on like he usually does. I can't count how many times I winced at one that was tossed up to him, just for him to overhit it, pull it into the netcord, or fail to strike it deep enough to prevent Tomic from recovering.

Someone like Djokovic won't let him get away with shots like that.
 
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On the Nadal Delpo match, it will be tough for Nadal but I expect him to win. From what I have seen so far he has been impressive. Did it a little tough against Muller who is a tricky opponent for him. Fed does have the easier draw on paper though and is in good form so you can say that he is a slight favourite to take the tournament. I don't think that Djokovic likes the grass all that much and I would expect Fed to beat him in the semi final if they meet. If Nadal makes the final as well, I expect him to win. But he has to get past Del Po/Murray to get there.
 
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Caesar said:
Why not? Because he beat Nadal a couple of times on hardcourts a few years ago before he got injured?

Hardcourts are by far Del Potro's best surface, and Nadal's worst (aside from maybe carpet). JMDP has never beaten a top ten player on grass. He's pants.

I can't see anything happening here except Nadal in 3.
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JMDP is making his way back to where he belongs - the big 4. On his journey back, he's going to take some big scalps in big matches. I don't think this will be it. I think Nadal should win in 4.

What would you rather though? JMDP + Berdych, or Youzhny + Tsonga/Ferrer?

I thought Djokovic would take Fed in the French semi, but he didn't, and now we're on grass.
 
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Power King said:
What would you rather though? JMDP + Berdych, or Youzhny + Tsonga/Ferrer?
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But does it really matter that he has tougher opponents if you don't actually think he'll lose? It's not like they will burn him out (2009 AO proved that it basically isn't possible) before the final. Once you agree that Nadal makes the final, Federer is ruled out because he can't beat him under any circumstances. That's why saying it's Federer's title to lose annoys me.
 

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Berdych is the only player worth a damn on grass in those five. I would be surprised if either Nadal or Federer drop a set between them against their other opponents.

This is just a stupid argument. Both players have easy quarters because they're the top two seeds. Can we just move on until the two actually meet?

God willing, at least one of them will lose before then and we can skip the dick-measuring contest altogether.
 
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Caesar said:
Why not? Because he beat Nadal a couple of times on hardcourts a few years ago before he got injured?

Hardcourts are by far Del Potro's best surface, and Nadal's worst (aside from maybe carpet). JMDP has never beaten a top ten player on grass. He's pants.

I can't see anything happening here except Nadal in 3.


If Soderling was on song, I honestly don't think Tomic would have won. He hit far too many loose shots to Soderling's forehand that just weren't capitalised on like he usually does. I can't count how many times I winced at one that was tossed up to him, just for him to overhit it, pull it into the netcord, or fail to strike it deep enough to prevent Tomic from recovering.

Someone like Djokovic won't let him get away with shots like that.
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No way is Nadal's worst surface hard. Grass is his worst.
 
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It's interesting. He says he likes Wimbledon second week because it plays more like clay. You could probably make a case for him struggling on the faster grass courts, I guess. There's so little tennis played on it it is hard to tell.

Ftr I don't think indoor = carpet. I don't think there are any events played on carpet on the ATP tour any more, and only a select few in Challengers and when Russia hosts Davis Cup ties.
 
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didak_4 said:
No way is Nadal's worst surface hard. Grass is his worst.
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3 grand slams on grass vs 2 on hard courts....hmmmmm

Wimbledon plays like a 2nd clay court anyway, it is SO SLOW. I hate it, most tennis fans hate it, but it does.
 
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You people dont get it, Nadals biggest issue is the bounce, not the speed.Thats why he gets done on indoors where federer swinging serve out wide barely bounced above rafas knees and he admitted it in the press conference later on that he wasnt able to return the serve at all.In wimbledon the balls dont jump up high enough...but still higher than indoors but lower than hardcourts.On clay his average bounce on groundstokes are 1.49 meters, compared to 1.22 meters on grass and 1.16 on indoors.It kinda neutralises his topspin forehand.
 

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Drummond said:
Baghdatis, lol. I'm susprised the crowd even knew who he was, hasn't done anything substancial in years.

Djokovic meanwhile, yeah I guess after winning 41 straight you're gonna be unlikeable...
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thats because he has been smashed by injury, if he gets a bit of continuity playing regularly he will be back in the top 20, he gave djokovic a good match because he is a good player. You wont see any player on the ATP tour thinking otherwise.
 
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I'm a bit unsure of who I want to win out of Tomic and Malisse. Would obviously love to see an Aussie reach the QFs, but I have Malisse in my Wimbledon Dream Team and I'm in with a chance of winning the competition.
 
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raff23 said:
thats because he has been smashed by injury, if he gets a bit of continuity playing regularly he will be back in the top 20, he gave djokovic a good match because he is a good player. You wont see any player on the ATP tour thinking otherwise.
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Oh please, tell him to lose some weight then maybe he'll stop getting injured. :thumbsu:
 
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raff23 said:
thats because he has been smashed by injury, if he gets a bit of continuity playing regularly he will be back in the top 20, he gave djokovic a good match because he is a good player. You wont see any player on the ATP tour thinking otherwise.
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When is he planning on losing that gut?

Edit: LOL drummond, posted the same thing at the same time.
 
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Prime time tennis tonight looking forward to it. :) Hope the tomahawk gets up.
Not sure why channel 7 wouldn't put it on their main channel and they persist with air crash investigations. 7TWO will out rate that depressing show i cannot stand it.. it has made me worried everytime i board a plane.
 
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alex 17 said:
air crash investigations. 7TWO will out rate that depressing show i cannot stand it.. it has made me worried everytime i board a plane.
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Great show, you are safer every time you get on a plane because of the things the show depicts, gives good insight into the details.
 

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alex 17 said:
Prime time tennis tonight looking forward to it. :) Hope the tomahawk gets up.
Not sure why channel 7 wouldn't put it on their main channel and they persist with air crash investigations. 7TWO will out rate that depressing show i cannot stand it.. it has made me worried everytime i board a plane.
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I guarantee you that Air Crash Investigations will easily out-rate the tennis.
 
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Sometimes I can't get my mind around how a professional sportsman can be relatively overweight.

It's their full-time job to physically train.

AFL, tennis, whatever.

With all of that money, allocated time, nutritionists, trainers and coaches, every professional athlete should be fit as fawk.

I'm not necessarily talking about Baghdatis here though he isn't exactly Nadal in terms of physical conditioning. I've been thinking of Stewie Dew and Stevens, Glen Davis etc. during the last couple of days
 
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Power King said:
Sometimes I can't get my mind around how a professional sportsman can be relatively overweight.

It's their full-time job to physically train.

AFL, tennis, whatever.

With all of that money, allocated time, nutritionists, trainers and coaches, every professional athlete should be fit as fawk.

I'm not necessarily talking about Baghdatis here though he isn't exactly Nadal in terms of physical conditioning. I've been thinking of Stewie Dew and Stevens, Glen Davis etc. during the last couple of days
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That's the thing, he probably doesn't have as much money as we think. When you consider that he missed a fair amount of tennis through injury, and hasn't really gone far in a GS for some time (which tends to be where all the good money is) then he may not be able to employ these people full time, I'm sure they don't come cheap. A lot of those smaller tournaments offer very little prize money (Eastbourne only gave about 35 K to the winner I think). To be honest if I was a tennis player and hadn't made it to a "money making" rank by a particular age I'd give it away.
 
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