Fantasy 2012 BigFooty NFL Mock Draft - Discussion

Sven

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If he does, it will be at the very end of the top 100. His stock has fallen quite a bit over the course of the season and it wasn't all that high to begin with
I agree - mid to late 3rd round at the earliest, but still in the first 100.
 

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Tennessee is happy to add to their offensive line depth with the addition of James brown from troy.

An already solid line just got a bit stronger which should bode well for both their good passing game and potentially great running game.

The first two rounds of the draft focused on improving the team defense with the additions of DT Fletcher Cox and DB Jayron Hosley. With Kamerion Wimbley coming over from Oakland to add to the defensive line, the Titans have improved their defense and solidified their offense.
 

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If he does, it will be at the very end of the top 100. His stock has fallen quite a bit over the course of the season and it wasn't all that high to begin with
Wrong
He was overrated early in the season, well, at least by some Boise Homers around the place I've seen.
Some were touting him as the next Ryan Clady (top 12 quality)

Thankgod he's now rated where he should be (3rd round talent)
I'd probably look at him aroud this point in time (But wont take him with Falcons pick having taken Osemele in the 2nd)

Is he a superstar LT? No
Is he a player who could start RT now, with the potential to become an above average LT? Yes. That's why I'd look at him now, not as an instant standout, but someone who can become a solid contributer down the track.
 

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Wrong
He was overrated early in the season, well, at least by some Boise Homers around the place I've seen.
Some were touting him as the next Ryan Clady (top 12 quality)
Who was legitimately rating him that high? Early-mid 2nd was the highest I ever saw him being rated (Kalil, Martin, Reiff, Adams have pretty much always been rated higher as a LT)

Thankgod he's now rated where he should be (3rd round talent)
I wouldn't rate him quite that highly. He's more of a 4th rounder to me simply because there are a couple of other potential LTs besides the 4 mentioned that I think have more potential than Potter does and the fact that there are a few positions that are more stacked than OT (WR, RB, CB, DT).

Is he a superstar LT? No
Is he a player who could start RT now, with the potential to become an above average LT? Yes. That's why I'd look at him now, not as an instant standout, but someone who can become a solid contributer down the track.
I agree that his ceiling is an above average LT, and if he achieves that he'll be good value.
 

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drd23 and Dirty Bird how can you tell the diffrence between a 3rd round tackle and perhaps a 5th or 6th other then looking at the measurements and times? To me unless it's an elite tackle or a play is highlighted to me I can not really guage how well an individual along the oline is playing.
 

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I'm the same. I generally don't notice how well someone goes in a match until I read comments from other people - like I thought Lauvao and Pinkston were quite good for the Browns last year. Yet most Browns fans disagree.

I imagine scouting O Line would be a specialist job. Unless you actually have access to measurements, workouts and the player themselves, it seems like a crap shoot. Just a matter of believing what is written online.
 

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Umm, no?

But comparing AFL players to offensive linemen doesn't really work. I'm saying I don't really notice them, good or bad.
 

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What I'm trying to intimate is that not a lot of fans have a deeper understanding of the techniques and intricacies of each position from a playing/coaching background, so you often get fans of any team arguing back and forth about who is/has been playing good and who is/has been playing bad. And then you get a smaller percentage of team board fans who have played the game or coached and generally have a reputation on those boards as someone whose opinion is instructional, enlightening. Others often appreciate their input because they know these people know more than them, they learn things about football from reading their posts etc. But even these people are lower on the ladder than actual NFL coaches and scouts. And we all from time to time make the mistake of thinking we're as smart as actual NFL employees, complaining whenever the HC/GM makes decisions about starters/cuts/etc.

American football especially is so much more complex and broader in this regard than most other sports. It's easier to pick apart some other sports like AR or Soccer for instance. Which is why American football is so much more engaging for fans, there's always so much on the internet (articles, videos, whole sites) dedicated to strategy, tactics, techniques, formations, philosophies that it can carry a fan thru a whole lifetime of further learning.

People aren't always right either. Some actual NFL coaches/GMs/scouts think someone is a good player while another NFL coach/GM/scout thinks they're a bad player. Every off-season we see that with all the musical chairs. Plus in drafts, renowned people like Al Davis, Ron Wolf, Belichick, Mayock, Kiper, etc, have shown talent in picking good players, as they have also in picking eventual busts.

You know all this anyway. I'm just in short saying, that the more one learns about the intricacies and fundamentals of each position, then the more they can watch players play and feel more confident in assessing themselves (wherever they are on the ladder of football acumen) whether a player is actually performing, from down to down, well or not beyond the really obvious lowlight and highlight plays.
 

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Bruce Irvin would be a poor pick imo. He is a 3-4 OLB/situational pass rusher (he can't play 4-3 SAM in a Von Miller role either imo) that can't be relied upon to do anything against the run, and seeing as how stopping the run is a big problem for the Saints, I think he'd be a bad pick.

I would go with Mike Martin (DT, MSU) as they don't really have any DTs behind Bunkley and Ellis or with Jamell Fleming (CB, OU) as they've just lost Tracey Porter and I believe that Fleming would be able to come in and play nickle straight away (and develop into a starting calibre CB in the future)
 

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That is a horrible place to mock Chandler Jones to.

I know we have his brother on the roster and all, but Chandler has no business in a 3-4 because he is too stiff/lacks cod skills. He is purely a 4-3 LDE.
 

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I didn't want to draft Irvin, but with the board falling the way that it did, I was left with 2 players rated significantly higher than the rest. Unfortunately for me, both play positions I didn't want to draft. In the end I had to stick with BPA and follow what the numbers say and draft Irvin.
 

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Bruce Irvin would be a poor pick imo. He is a 3-4 OLB/situational pass rusher (he can't play 4-3 SAM in a Von Miller role either imo) that can't be relied upon to do anything against the run, and seeing as how stopping the run is a big problem for the Saints, I think he'd be a bad pick.

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drd23 you sly old bastard.:p

Having said that I agree with you in that he is very good value at the pick that you have taken him.

Had he still been on the board I would have taken him with the Pats next pick # 93. :(
 

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49ers take a WR in the 3rd round in Nick Toon. Between the veteran signings and the return of Crabtree and Williams plus the earlier drafting of Fleener there are now plenty of weapons for Harbaugh to play with.

In reality I think the 49ers will go BPA with every pick. They may trade down if the price is right or even trade up in the first if one fo the blue ship WRs or offensive linemen fall into the later half of the first round.
 

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Bruce Irvin would be a poor pick imo. He is a 3-4 OLB/situational pass rusher (he can't play 4-3 SAM in a Von Miller role either imo) that can't be relied upon to do anything against the run, and seeing as how stopping the run is a big problem for the Saints, I think he'd be a bad pick.
drd23 you sly old bastard.:p

Having said that I agree with you in that he is very good value at the pick that you have taken him.

Had he still been on the board I would have taken him with the Pats next pick # 93. :(
I was wondering if someone would pick that up, but I didn't say he'd be a bad pick for the Saints just so that I could take him. I said he be a bad pick for the 4-3 (the Ravens run something else), especially one with run D as a big weakness.

As I said, I didn't really want to take him, but my only other option according to my draft board was Chris Polk, and he'd be even more useless for the Ravens given the presence of Ray Rice, the low positional value of RBs and the fact that the Ravens FO irl seem perfectly content to let Anthony Allen be the short yardage back this season.

EDIT: I just realised that Polk was already taken so Irvin was clearly the best player left
 

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