2012 Deliver or Depart

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The thread for players who need to deliver more than their last season or two to be able to remain on the list. In order of the danger I consider them to be in for delisting at the end of the season.

Kicking off With Brett Meredith: His debut season he showed a special ability to read the play and a good skill set off the boot. While that may have ended in injury he has been unable to recapture that form and appears to play at less than 100% intensity. The same report comes from those who watch him play in the seconds. Meredith needs to find the space and deliver the ball to the forward line this year or it's all over.

Lewis Jetta: Talent talent written all over him but a disappointing second year followed up by a very poor return to work standard. This man has the speed and yes, the skills to make the wing his own but the work and mental aptitude needs to follow.

Andrejs Everett: Shows glimpses like the game against the eagles, He's never going to be a star but he can find the ball on the hff. He wont start the season in the firsts but at some stage he will get a chance.

Jarred Moore: Completely the opposite from the first two. It's not lack of effort from Moore that puts him here, it's just the question mark if he has the football ability and the natural fitness to play the game at this level. We've seen his courage and his effort but too often he comes up short against his opponent. Must find a way to kick a goal or two during the game on a regular basis.

Dennis-Lane: A controversial one no doubt but was unable to get himself a spot in 2011 despite a forward line functioning less than optimally. Probably the coaching staff are looking for a more consistent output from TDL rather than just floating in and out of games.

Seaby: The new interchange rule and a hard recovery from injury didn't help Mark last season but he was given plenty of shots to reassert himself into the team. Sadly 2011 saw him beaten to often, particularly when playing as sole ruck. In a team without the pace of others Seaby playing the ruck is a focal point not just for the stoppages but a go to man for pressured defensive clearances. Longmire saw fit to leave Seaby's second half of the season in the ressies despite him dominating that competition. At his age he needs to find himself with regular game time.

Jesse White: Much has already been discussed about White on this board over the last couple of seasons that I don't want to tread old ground. Still way to much natural sporting ability and power to dismiss that all I can hope his that 2012 See's him turn it on again, because if he has a season like last year his name has to come up for trade week

Any other nominations people?

Feel free to fight about the opinions, god knows the board needs it to fire this off season up.
 

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I agree with the above. And of those the one that I feel is the most important to step up is Dennis-Lane.

TDL has no problems reading the play and taking chances at AFL level. Where he falls down and where the coaches want to see improvement is his defence against his direct opponent and not withdrawing when an oppositions target him physically. If he overcome these points he will go onto excellent career.

Tommy Walsh will take awhile to learn AFL level but given a good injury run should make a great pairing with Reid in the 2nd half of 2012.:cool:
 

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I think with Moore & Seaby, there's not much more they can do. Particularly with Moore, he's fallen behind a pack of guys who can offer more than him, he'll be delisted at the end of the year. Seaby might be kept on as depth, but even that's unlikely.

Of your list, I think Brett Meredith is probably the one that has to show the most, but I don't think he'll be able to show enough to stay on the list.

TDL is also in the firing line, as you mentioned, he's been shut out of games by more physical opponents and will need to overcome that. I'd really like to see him get an extended run though. I think if he gets a string of games in a settled forward line he'll be able to show something.

Jetta will be given time, the potential is there but he'll need to pick up his workrate.

One person that doesn't fit the deliver or depart tag, but who I think needs to step up from a team perspective is McVeigh. I think it's time he takes the next step, he gets alot of the ball but could use it better imo.
 

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I thought McVeigh had a good or serviceable year. Nothing brilliant but nothing horrible. He shouldn't play in the middle much anymore, he has been overtaken by Kennedy, Jack, Hannebery, has Jude to contend with and the same with Parker and Mitchell soon enough.

He should be played almost exclusively on the HBF in my mind. He is one of our better ball users and with time and space coming out of defence, he hits targets well. He should be our Leon Davis/Chris Yarran sort of orchestrator off HB IMO. Could also play in the forward pocket or HFF if need be but I think HBF is his best position.
 

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He had a decent year, and finished well after a poor start, particularly with his off-field concerns. 2011 was a big year for him with the captaincy and the death of his daughter. I expect alot from him because he is a leader of the club and a mature player.

I'm not sure if hb is his best position, he looked good there 1st up, but he made a couple of errors down back and to be honest, the others around him seemed more sure with the ball in their hands than mcveigh did at times. I do agree that he should be moved out of the midfield though. I guess with time to adjust he could be good down back, however I feel that alot of the time when McVeighs in a one-on-one contest it seems like his goal is to break even rather than try and win the contest.

I just hope he takes his game to the next level in 2012, if he does, he'd be valuable for us at hb or hf. When he's on he's a good user of the footy, he can be creative, and cool under pressure. I just haven't see enough of it in the past, but I'm sure he can step it up. It's definitely time imo.
 

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Seaby, Meredith, White, Moore are the ones that really spring to mind when I think of who needs to crack the seniors early and often to get another year at least on the list.

Everitt, TDL and Jetta even if they don't play the majority of the year in the seniors in 2012 I think will all get another go in 2013.

Dyl McNeil will be keen to get at least a senior game in 2012 in order to be elevated and kept on for the next few seasons. I hope he does too, sounds like a willing and talented player who might be restrained by his size to an extent but sounds tough as bollocks.
 

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One person that doesn't fit the deliver or depart tag, but who I think needs to step up from a team perspective is McVeigh. I think it's time he takes the next step, he gets alot of the ball but could use it better imo.
I would have said the exact opposite... Uses the ball extremely well but needs to find it a little more consistently.
 

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There are some obvious names as others have mentioned in Meredith, Moore, TDL & White.
None are certainties to go, but as the thread states they must deliver in 2012.

I believe Jetta (provided he meets the off field requirements (fitness etc) is probably safe. He is also contracted to the end of 2013.
Everitt is interesting. I'm not sure of his contract status, but if it is only to the end of 2012, given the influx of talls, he'd be one who would want to push on.

The ruck situation is curious.
Mumford obviously #1.
Pyke & Seaby both 27, with no developing ruckman (if one excludes White).
I'd imagine you'd like 3 ruckmen on your list (although we may only play 1 of the 3 in the 22).
One of Pyke or Seaby will probably be moved on and perhaps a younger 2nd string ruckman brought in at the end of 2012.

I'd offer Malceski as a player who needs too get back to at least near his best.
His contract expires at the end of 2012 and his form was patchy in 2011.
I know the view may be he is too valuable to let go, and I'm a fan, but an expiring contract and a supposed super draft may put him under pressure unless he does recapture his place in the 22.

Other players who were listed as having their contracts expiring at the end of 2012 were Bird, J. Bolton & Shaw.

It is not totally unrealistic that at least the first 2 may be under a degree of pressure.
Bird is primarily a m/f workhorse and with not totally dissimilar players in Hannebery, Kennedy, Jack, McVeigh, McGlynn, Parker & maybe Mitchell his place on the list may not be guaranteed. Particularly as I'm not sure Bird has any upside.
Similarly JB at 32 (at the start of the 2012 season) will be under pressure, although he does offer a part time fwd option as well.
Shaw should be safe, but will be 31 at the end of 2012, so would want to avoid any injury woes, just to be sure.

NB Contract details taken from this artcle (although some info now out of date);
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...n-sydney-in-2012/story-e6frexyi-1226108567158

EDIT; Forgot Morton.
I assume Richmond were planning to delist him given we picked him up for pick #79.
I'd imagine, given the circumstances, likely to be on an one year deal and would need to show something in the firsts to be retained.

Given what we 'paid' for Armstrong I'd imagine at least a 2 year contract would have been offered & only another off field issue would see him in jeopardy at the end of 2012.
 

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There are some obvious names as others have mentioned in Meredith, Moore, TDL & White.
None are certainties to go, but as the thread states they must deliver in 2012.

I believe Jetta (provided he meets the off field requirements (fitness etc) is probably safe. He is also contracted to the end of 2013.
Everitt is interesting. I'm not sure of his contract status, but if it is only to the end of 2012, given the influx of talls, he'd be one who would want to push on.

The ruck situation is curious.
Mumford obviously #1.
Pyke & Seaby both 27, with no developing ruckman (if one excludes White).
I'd imagine you'd like 3 ruckmen on your list (although we may only play 1 of the 3 in the 22).
One of Pyke or Seaby will probably be moved on and perhaps a younger 2nd string ruckman brought in at the end of 2012.

I'd offer Malceski as a player who needs too get back to at least near his best.
His contract expires at the end of 2012 and his form was patchy in 2011.
I know the view may be he is too valuable to let go, and I'm a fan, but an expiring contract and a supposed super draft may put him under pressure unless he does recapture his place in the 22.

Other players who were listed as having their contracts expiring at the end of 2012 were Bird, J. Bolton & Shaw.

It is not totally unrealistic that at least the first 2 may be under a degree of pressure.
Bird is primarily a m/f workhorse and with not totally dissimilar players in Hannebery, Kennedy, Jack, McVeigh, McGlynn, Parker & maybe Mitchell his place on the list may not be guaranteed. Particularly as I'm not sure Bird has any upside.
Similarly JB at 32 (at the start of the 2012 season) will be under pressure, although he does offer a part time fwd option as well.
Shaw should be safe, but will be 31 at the end of 2012, so would want to avoid any injury woes, just to be sure.

NB Contract details taken from this artcle (although some info now out of date);
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...n-sydney-in-2012/story-e6frexyi-1226108567158
did we give Jetta a contract extension, must have missed that. But still if he's not training properly a trade can still be enacted or at worst an example made.

I think your statements are harsh on Bird. Given his back ground his development has been fine. He is no doubt behind Hanners and Kennedy etc but the squad, particularly for inside rigor roles, will require squad rotation and Bird has certainly shown he can win the strong ball and maintain his composure to dispose while under pressure.

In the North game at Ethiad this year he hit 4 targets inside 50 on the run and was right in the thick of it against Collingwood. He also was among our better players in the semi final loss to the Hawks last year.

His downside is he has been unable to develop the engine to play the game for long spells without needing bench time.

Now every player is under pressure to some degree but I cant see Bird having done anything drastic to put him on the list of those with their spot in the squad under pressure. He's a role player rather than a role leader granted but he's doing well enough.
 

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did we give Jetta a contract extension, must have missed that. But still if he's not training properly a trade can still be enacted or at worst an example made.

I think your statements are harsh on Bird. Given his back ground his development has been fine. He is no doubt behind Hanners and Kennedy etc but the squad, particularly for inside rigor roles, will require squad rotation and Bird has certainly shown he can win the strong ball and maintain his composure to dispose while under pressure.

In the North game at Ethiad this year he hit 4 targets inside 50 on the run and was right in the thick of it against Collingwood. He also was among our better players in the semi final loss to the Hawks last year.

His downside is he has been unable to develop the engine to play the game for long spells without needing bench time.

Now every player is under pressure to some degree but I cant see Bird having done anything drastic to put him on the list of those with their spot in the squad under pressure. He's a role player rather than a role leader granted but he's doing well enough.
Agreed. I think he will be the type over his career to be very consistant, if not brilliant. Won't be de-listed.

I kind of feel like it will be Jude's last year. I can't imagine he would want to MAYBE spend time in the reserves in 2013, which is very, very possible. Then again, if we had the list space, and he agreed to a pay cut, I'd love for him to be kept around for the finals series of 2013, when I hope we can be pushing for a flag..
 

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From what I've heard, it sounds like TDL has improved his weight/strength and got fitter. 2 things he really needs to do in order to reclaim a spot in the forward line.

It really is the substitution rule that has ****ed him over. He was securing a permanent small forward before that rule came in but now versatility is highlighted as being not just useful but necessary. If he becomes more versatile and shows he can push into the middle, all the better for him and his career.

The problem is he is competing with guys like McGlynn, Lamb, Morton, Jetta, Rohan who are able to or will be able to play in more positions than just the forward pocket.
 
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