2012 Draft Discussion

[Mayestro]

agree to a point...we just lack that a few speedy mid/hf players.

I think we have a host of very green mids/medium flankers coming through (Green, Barlett, Beams, Bewick, Crisp, Harwood, Polec, O'Brien, Yeo, Docherty, and even Dyson, Harvey, Newell and Wrigley), most of whom have at stages shown something. The flankers may also push a few of our faster players into the midfield rotations, such as Banfield and Hanley.

It may be worth taking another year out from having a first round mid to pick up a KPF who can take 3 to 5 years to develop. So first round mids (who come on much faster) can be then be chosen over the next few years as we slowly push ourselves back up the ladder.

Of course Vlad can give us the option of both a mid and a KPF if he gives us a Priority Pick. If I've got to put up with the media saying how utterly crapola we are, then we probably deserve one.

 

[knaf]

"It may be worth taking another year out from having a first round mid to pick up a KPF who can take 3 to 5 years to develop. So first round mids (who come on much faster) can be then be chosen over the next few years as we slowly push ourselves back up the ladder. "

I agree with you Nicky G. we need everything. So we need to pick up on the type of players that take the longest to develop.

 

[jjami15]

3 picks in the top 30 and every one has their opinion as they should. However the reality is that our needs which everyone has highlighted and I too also agree with will not be remedied in this draft. Possibly another two or three. Our KPP stocks should be looked at within these two however. I am certain that our recruiting staff would have an eye on players for next year as well as this. No one wants to pay overs but if Shaw warrants such a low pick then go for him. If not best mid. But a top class KPF is a must within the next few drafts. With our two picks in the twenties a KPD player like Jaensch or Tanner Smith or both. But it is evident that KPP's, Mids (inside or out) with elite speed and skill is a must and needs to be clarified in the next few drafts. So, if with our picks they had a spread across these needs in this draft and the next few I would be happy.

 

[jjami15]

Or how about we do a GC and use our first round pick in the mini draft and go for Jesse Hogan?

 

[chopperduck]

I agree that we can look to sure up our defenders with a later pick, but for me, best available probably fits best with our first 3 picks. A top quality top pick key forward be good, but we probably aren't screaming for one. To make sure we get a few years of development into them, they would need to be drafted this year or next year if we want another key forward. Upon saying that, if we end up with about pick 6, and there is an out and out gun midfielder available at that pick, i wouldn't mind us going that path if we rated the mid a better overall prospect than the forward. Perhaps if there turns out to be a bit of depth wtih forwards, we might try our lucky with pick #2 and decide to use the first pick on another genuine gun top 10 mid.

 

[Offsider]

I actually wouldn't be against trading our first pick in the draft for Pick 1 in the Mini Draft. I rate at this stage Jesse Hogan as a better AFL prospect that Mason Shaw, I really like his hardness and he is a genuine CHF. I think the only downside would be waiting a year to get him onto our list properly.

 

[Sanchez365]

I actually wouldn't be against trading our first pick in the draft for Pick 1 in the Mini Draft. I rate at this stage Jesse Hogan as a better AFL prospect that Mason Shaw, I really like his hardness and he is a genuine CHF. I think the only downside would be waiting a year to get him onto our list properly.

The benefit of that however is we would be able to train him for an extra year, building up his AFL level fitness faster and his size quicker too. If he is already a relatively built kid (no idea myself if he is or isn't) he could come on quite quickly like Mr Longer.

 

[jjami15]

The point I was trying to get across is it is going to take quite awhile to rebuild and from what is coming out from the players (Brownie) and the club (5 year plan) it seems so do they. I'm very interested to see how Shaw and Hogan go in the championships. From what I've read it seems like Hogan is JB mark II.

 

[dlanod]

I actually wouldn't be against trading our first pick in the draft for Pick 1 in the Mini Draft. I rate at this stage Jesse Hogan as a better AFL prospect that Mason Shaw, I really like his hardness and he is a genuine CHF. I think the only downside would be waiting a year to get him onto our list properly.

If I thought we could manage that without paying through the nose, I'd be all over it. I'd be very tempted to package our first and second round picks (keeping the compo pick) for it, though I'd have buyer's remorse for a while.

 

[whatboutbob]

Teams named for this weekend's u18 games.

Looks like those heading to Blacktown tomorrow will get to see a few of our academy guys eligible to be drafted next year.

Am I right in the thinking they are: Conway (named on ball), Gribble, Rutledge and Tickner?

 

[Quigley]

Yep you got them all bob.

I am looking forward to seeing them run around against a pretty full strength WA side.

 

[jjami15]

If I thought we could manage that without paying through the nose, I'd be all over it. I'd be very tempted to package our first and second round picks (keeping the compo pick) for it, though I'd have buyer's remorse for a while.

How bout second round and compo pick plus player (Merret, Adcock, Banfield) to get it done. Then with our first round we pick up Shaw as well. Forward line of Shaw and Hogan for next 10-15 years. And then I wake up, oh well can only dream.

 

[dlanod]

Yeah, I think getting away with not giving up a first round pick would be dreaming.

 

[Haso]

Teams named for this weekend's u18 games.

Looks like those heading to Blacktown tomorrow will get to see a few of our academy guys eligible to be drafted next year.

Am I right in the thinking they are: Conway (named on ball), Gribble, Rutledge and Tickner?

Am I right in thinking that seeing as they are available for next years draft, that GC's ability to snatch them from under us will be gone?

 

[Quigley]

Correct. GC have no special access to the 95 born players who are in our academy.

 

[lionshine]

The 1 player that I really, really want in this draft is Dayle Garlett. Hopefully he slips down to our compo pick but unless he has an average champs I highly doubt he will and he is the type of player we don't usually take.

We do tend to pick the players that I really want though for some reason.

These are the following players that I have always really wanted us to draft and we have. The ones in bold are the ones I was desperate for us to draft:

Rich
Cornelius
Bartlett
Harwood
Green

Hopefully this year my luck continues and we pick up Garlett. Mark my words, he will be a gun. Think Harley Bennell at GC in terms of potential and talent.

 

[BigCat2]

Yep you got them all bob.

I am looking forward to seeing them run around against a pretty full strength WA side.

Would also appreciate if you can keep an eye on Mason Shaw and Jesse Hogan. Maybe Shannon Taylor also - a speedster we could use.

 

[Balony_pony16]

The 1 player that I really, really want in this draft is Dayle Garlett. Hopefully he slips down to our compo pick but unless he has an average champs I highly doubt he will and he is the type of player we don't usually take.

We do tend to pick the players that I really want though for some reason.

These are the following players that I have always really wanted us to draft and we have. The ones in bold are the ones I was desperate for us to draft:

Rich
Cornelius
Bartlett
Harwood
Green

Hopefully this year my luck continues and we pick up Garlett. Mark my words, he will be a gun. Think Harley Bennell at GC in terms of potential and talent.

yep drafting Garlett would be awesome and just what we need...a mid/HF with bucket loads of raw natural talent and speed

 

[dlanod]

Garlett looked really good today, Yarran was decent, but Shaw was basically unsighted. Hogan is a very solid young man, who looked quite a bit better than Shaw but had more of a license to chase the ball from CHF instead of being chained to the square like Shaw seemed to be.

Disclaimer: Shaw came off at one point very groggy. Just got checked out post-game in front of me, which reminded me. Presumably still having an effect then.

 

[lionshine]

Garlett looked really good today, Yarran was decent, but Shaw was basically unsighted. Hogan is a very solid young man, who looked quite a bit better than Shaw but had more of a license to chase the ball from CHF instead of being chained to the square like Shaw seemed to be.

Disclaimer: Shaw came off at one point very groggy. Just got checked out post-game in front of me, which reminded me. Presumably still having an effect then.

Great to hear! Do you think you could go into a tiny bit more detail about his game Dlanod? Its fine if you can't

 

[dlanod]

I wasn't taking copious notes, but he looked like he accumulated a fair number of possessions and was pretty clean with it in what was otherwise a scrappy game for a lot of it. Looked a class above without being dominant, so was actually a bit disappointing there.

 

[lionshine]

I wasn't taking copious notes, but he looked like he accumulated a fair number of possessions and was pretty clean with it in what was otherwise a scrappy game for a lot of it. Looked a class above without being dominant, so was actually a bit disappointing there.

Thanks for the extra info dlanod!

 

[Quigley]

The second game was pretty much ruined by the conditions. Rain was solid and very slippery. VC probably won because they marked the ball a bit better than NSW. To the half I thought NSW were probably the better side. In the first half NSW dominated in the clearances getting first hands on the ball on most occasions. VC tackled pretty well but they were second to the ball time and again.

Didn't really rate the VC guys who played much at all even given the conditions. There was a definite lack of class displayed. Crouch the big exception. He was in and under and was showed quite a lot. He will definitely be a player. NSW had the better tall prospects I thought and some would interest me a bit. At the other end of the spectrum their best was probably Lonnie Hampton. He played BP the first three quarters and had the better of McCartney who looked fairly dangerous. Lonnie judged the ball in the air and on the ground better than anyone on the park and found himself in the right place time and again. In the last he moved into the forward line and picked up two goals with nice work. The one negative in his game was that he dropped quite a few marks and a few cost his team. At 169cm he is shorter than those who usually get a chance but I would certainly find a spot for him on my rookie list.

The Qld v WA game much the better game. First half was free of rain although the grass was a bit wet. In the second half there was a bit of drizzle but nowhere near the second game. On a few players in the second game:

Shaw - did stuff all and looked pretty lazy. His two goals came from frees and he hardly took a mark all day despite playing on a guy 10cm shorter than himself. He rarely got separation and the further the game went the less we saw of him and the more we saw of his opponent who was cramping up badly for a quarter and a half.

Hogan - looked very good. Definitely the best forward I saw all day. Great mark and got around the park very nicely. Did not rely on his strength to overcome his opponent and his other athletic abilities were impressive. If I had a mini draft pick there is not doubt he would be the guy I would use it on.

Garlett - of the draft edible players playing today he was the most impressive by a big margin. Played inside and out and showed a lot of class when others struggled. Clean, good vision and took good options. He also played some time up forward and picked up a goal or two.

Taylor - is a name a lot of people know but his disposal skills have not improved since I have been watching him. He works hard and gets a bit of it but he is a liability with the ball.

Rodda - really good in the first half in Bourke. When moved onto Tickner though things went downhill. Still he looked strong and a good option at FB. He also took the kickins and did pretty well. He looks like a good footballer.

Yarren - reasonably dangerous when he got near the ball but did not get enough of it. Needed to work harder. Played mostly in the forward 50 and rarely roamed too far.

Jones - not a footballer.

McKenzie - fumbled every time he got near the ball, without fail. Skills also pretty average and he is not as fast as he thinks he is.

Conway - the best inside mid in this game and only Crouch would be up there with him from the other game. Played in the forward line in the last when the Qlders came back. Reads the ball very well and just wins the ball. Has a good awareness of where his players are and has good quick hands. Very impressive and he sure looks like a first rounder for next year (if he weren't an academy player). Needs to work a bit on his outside game but I am sure that will come. Reminds me a bit of Mitchell from WA last year now at the Swans.

Tickner - he played at CHF and he is not really a lead and mark type of forward. He was around the ball a bit but over the course of the game he just kept working and the chances came for him. He got better and better as the game progressed and everyone else tired. One thing that impressed me a lot was his finishing. His goals were rarely gimmes but he showed real skill in finding the middle of the goals both from set shots and from crumbs. Very good with the ball on the ground for a guy his size.

Gribble - carbon copy of Darley when he was a bottom ager. An outside in player who can find a lot of it. Works hard to get open. Does a reasonable job inside although that is probably not his strength atm. The problem with his was that he kicked it too the opposition a lot. His mechanics look solid and he has good penetration so I am hopeful these will improve.

Bourke - well held and couldn't really get into it but he is still pretty slight and if I was Geelong I would be offering him a rookie spot if nothing else.

Rutledge - the last of the academy guys. He worked hard and got a bit of it but was not a big factor.

Wardle - finished very strongly and along with Tickner and Wallin won the game for Qld in the last. Did not get much of it for the first three but his finish would have attracted a fair bit of attention. More class than most of the Qlders. Nice mover with skills.

Wallin - just willed Qld over the line. When everyone else was stopping he was going full steam and laid a few thumping tackles. I really like his build and showed some good athletic talent. Skills a little up and down but he is a guy I will be watching more closely next week.

Aliir - not a footballer atm. Played exclusively as the number 2 and is too short for that role at AFL level. Really nice leap on him and his skills are not terrible but atm he gets lost a lot about where he should go when he has a role up forward or down back and he is not a great judge of the ball in the air.

Boston - I noticed warming up before the game and at the half but I did not notice him at all during the game. I would be surprised if he played. He was billed as Qlds number 1 player so winning without him and Cameron their number 1 forward option was impressive.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Brilliant wrap up. Thanks Quigs.

Your description of Conway has me very excited.

Looks like we might get some handy talent straight off the bat from the Academy in 2013.

Have to make hay while the sun shines because the Godfather Don McGuire and the Melbourne mafia will crack the sads sooner or later.

 

[dlanod]

The second game was pretty much ruined by the conditions. Rain was solid and very slippery.

Not joking there. I gave up at half time. Was too cold for me so hightailed it home.

NSW had the better tall prospects I thought and some would interest me a bit.

Flaherty caught my eye with his two goal start to the game. Seemed to work well but NSW was regularly coughing it up before it got up to him as it went on. As commented, missed the second half so I don't know if that improved.

At the other end of the spectrum their best was probably Lonnie Hampton.

I liked the look of him a lot, but that height measurement is going to kill him. Was the best ball handler, both marking and disposing, while I was there in pretty shit conditions.

Rodda - really good in the first half in Bourke. When moved onto Tickner though things went downhill. Still he looked strong and a good option at FB. He also took the kickins and did pretty well. He looks like a good footballer.

I hadn't heard of him prior to this game and he really caught my eye. Seems to be playing similar to how Rance had been this year, managing to play as a shut-down defender while also marking well and have a good kick on him. Is there a general consensus on his prospects?

Conway - the best inside mid in this game and only Crouch would be up there with him from the other game. Played in the forward line in the last when the Qlders came back. Reads the ball very well and just wins the ball. Has a good awareness of where his players are and has good quick hands. Very impressive and he sure looks like a first rounder for next year (if he weren't an academy player). Needs to work a bit on his outside game but I am sure that will come. Reminds me a bit of Mitchell from WA last year now at the Swans.

Interesting. This and Bourke were the only ones that I disagreed with you on. He definitely did more in the last quarter, and was very in and under but didn't really do a lot to my eye in the first three quarters. Reminded me a bit of Cal Bartlett in his first game back last year - did a couple of nice attacks on the ball, but was really quiet for a lot of the game. Was he on limited game time?

Bourke - well held and couldn't really get into it but he is still pretty slight and if I was Geelong I would be offering him a rookie spot if nothing else.

I saw a bit more potential there but only potential at this point. I'd guess third or fourth round in a draft light on key positions players.

Personally I'm pretty chuffed that a majority of what I thought concurs with Quigs!