2012 Draft Discussion

[Karnezis_13]

i think we are at very long odds to take another ruckman at pick 8 unless its tippett and even longer odds to take him

We are at Longer odds to take a ruckman ... I see what you did there

 

[JasRulz63]

The Giants' hunch on Lachie Plowman could poise the Dogs and Dees to cash in at the draft

With their No. 3 pick, the Giants are eyeing Calder Cannons defender Lachie Plowman, who has impressed despite missing four months with a dislocated elbow.

But the Giants, who are intent on bolstering their defensive stocks, are set to swoop on the rebounding backman after calling the names of midfield pair Lachie Whitfield and Jimmy Toumpas with the first two picks next Thursday night.

The draft shock will ensure the Dees land ferocious onballer Ollie Wines, who is the best mate of father-son gem Jack Viney, at No. 4.

The Bulldogs are poised to add the speed and polish they crave by using pick No. 5 on Jono O'Rourke, a slick ball-user from Calder Cannons, and are happy to roll the dice on agile half-forward Troy Menzel at No. 6.

South Australian ruckman Brodie Grundy has tumbled down the order and is fancied to land at Port Adelaide with pick No. 7.

So currently the HS is thinking;
1. Greater Western Sydney - Lachlan Whitfield
2. Greater Western Sydney - Jimmy Toumpas
3. Greater Western Sydney - Lachlan Plowman
4. Melbourne - Oliver Wines
5. Western Bulldogs - Jonathan O'Rouke
6. Western Bulldogs - Troy Menzel
7. Port Adelaide - Brodie Grundy

Doesn't change too much for us I don't think, apart from Menzel jumping up the order.

 

[Cockliff38]

The Giants' hunch on Lachie Plowman could poise the Dogs and Dees to cash in at the draft



So currently the HS is thinking;
1. Greater Western Sydney - Lachlan Whitfield
2. Greater Western Sydney - Jimmy Toumpas
3. Greater Western Sydney - Lachlan Plowman
4. Melbourne - Oliver Wines
5. Western Bulldogs - Jonathan O'Rouke
6. Western Bulldogs - Troy Menzel
7. Port Adelaide - Brodie Grundy

Doesn't change too much for us I don't think, apart from Menzel jumping up the order.

Oh my Mayes. Yes please

 

[captainrich]

port might just take mayes as he is the local boy either way this sets up stringer for us very nicely would voss be open to taking him too since he himself has bounced back from a broken leg and regained his form, knows the rehab process and can help stringer through it and make him a star

 

[JasRulz63]

Don't forget Grundy is a local boy too.

 

[whatboutbob]

So currently the HS is thinking;
1. Greater Western Sydney - Lachlan Whitfield
2. Greater Western Sydney - Jimmy Toumpas
3. Greater Western Sydney - Lachlan Plowman
4. Melbourne - Oliver Wines
5. Western Bulldogs - Jonathan O'Rouke
6. Western Bulldogs - Troy Menzel
7. Port Adelaide - Brodie Grundy

Doesn't change too much for us I don't think, apart from Menzel jumping up the order.

Gee that would leave some interesting options on the board.

Stringer, Macrae, Jaksch or Mayes? Hrmmmm....

 

[captainrich]

Don't forget Grundy is a local boy too.

oh is he well yeahh he must surely be a lock in, basically between stringer, macrae and jacksh i reckon, doubt we'd go for mayes

 

[Grimreepah]

oh is he well yeahh he must surely be a lock in, basically between stringer, macrae and jacksh i reckon, doubt we'd go for mayes

Why wouldn't we go for Mayes?

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Why wouldn't we go for Mayes?

there is some sort of risk associated with him - he is largely untried in the midfield.

 

[Grimreepah]

there is some sort of risk associated with him - he is largely untried in the midfield.

Why does he have to play in the midfield?

I think there was the same knock on Docherty last year.

 

[Grimreepah]

I understand it's better to have some midfield experience as players will inevitably get rotated through there. But so far that hasn't stopped him being considered a potential top 8 pick.

 

[Grimreepah]

Mayes sounds like a better version of Jesse O'Brien.

 

[chopperduck]

I actually like Mayes. Versatile type, could play as a leading marking forward, pushing up to the wings and can be part of midfield rotations. I think his versatility wouldn't attract Voss and Co.

 

[Grimreepah]

Mason Shaw

Shaw didn't quite come on as many thought he would this year, which will give recruiters pause for thought. For that reason he probably slides to the back end of the first round or even into the second where St Kilda, Port Adelaide and the Brisbane Lions will be waiting to pounce.

 

[jackess]

MAYES HAS SPENT TIME IN THE MIDFIELD IN THE SANFL. Often picking up between 15 and 20 possessions a match.

I see Mayes as a Goddard or a Stevie J type potentially.

He also average 18.4 possessions for SA so he can clearly play up the field.

Plus wasn't Rockliff a medium forward?

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

From what I know, If things were to fall that way I would expect Jackson MaCrae to be a Lion. Interesting that he seems to get underestimated in his ability to kick a goal, when compared to a Mayes.

 

[Hollow Knight]

If the first seven picks go as the media currently predict, Mayes, Stringer and MacRae would all be available at pick 8.

I am unable to decide who I would want in that situation. They all offer a lot.

Macrae looks like he will be a prolific link man, Mayes is genuine quality with x-factor and flexibility, Stringer has stupendous upside and if he hits his potential would be the best of the lot, but has risks.

Still leaning towards Stringer... Just edging Macrae.

 

[jackess]

Here's an article pumping up Mayes. Interesting he's from Port Pirie as well so that eases the go-home factor a bit.

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=139146

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Why does he have to play in the midfield?

I think there was the same knock on Docherty last year.

Docherty didn't play as a lead-up forward though, he played as a HBF and that's basically a midfield position without it being one.

History shows that smaller lead-up players generally don't succeed at AFL level. Therefore you'd have to assume he'd need to play some midfield. He's quoted as knowing that. But he really hasn't played that much there. That, coupled with a poor U18 champs in a good SA team raises a few flags, more than those who we'd be looking at. They've all got them: Stringer, broken leg; Macrae, only come good this year; Jaksch, has all the tools but maybe hasn't quite put it together yet and so on. I just Mayes has a few more question marks than those others.

If I had money on it, I'd say he'll become a Dale Thomas or Steve Johnson kind of player. Nothing to be sneezed at, but I think our immediate needs for high quality players are in the tall forward department and in and around the clearances -we need an extractor and a break-away player. I think the other three fit in those categories, more so than Mayes.

Obviously that's looking at a needs-based approach. For all we know, we might rate Mayes the 4th best player in the pool and will go best available.

 

[Cousin Jed]

Mayes sounds like a better version of Jesse O'Brien.

At pick 8 hopefully a fair bit better

 

[jjami15]

It seems that on Afl.com and herald sun that everyone needs a defender and they'll all be taken in the first round. We'll be lucky to get a bloke from anywhere the way that they are talking it all up. Also isn't interesting that every year the media knows whose taking who where.

 

[whatboutbob]

I've been keen on Mayes for the last couple of years. He's a very good mark for his size and a very, very good kick. I've little doubt he can make an impact playing in the middle - but I see his best possie as being that HFF that leads up to the wing and drills it I50. He'd add some sorely needed class.

Having said that, if Stringer's still available I'd be sorely tempted, and I can see the possibilities in Macrae (especially if PK wants out). Pleasingly it is looking like we'll have some good options, which I was sceptical about a few months back.

 

[Quigley]

I would jump all over Mayes if he is there. He made AA last season as a forward and if he was up there this year Menzel would have been the second option I think. Mayes was moved up the ground this year to show what he could do and is coming on fine in that regard but he will be a forward first and foremost at AFL level. In that role he will be very good possibly elite. He is the best finisher this year in front of goal this year by a large margin and has the speed and marking ability to take his game to the AFL. If he fell to us I would not think twice. I have no doubt he would be the guy that everyone hopes Karnezis will become.

 

[spotthedog1]

I would jump all over Mayes if he is there. He made AA last season as a forward and if he was up there this year Menzel would have been the second option I think. Mayes was moved up the ground this year to show what he could do and is coming on fine in that regard but he will be a forward first and foremost at AFL level. In that role he will be very good possibly elite. He is the best finisher this year in front of goal this year by a large margin and has the speed and marking ability to take his game to the AFL. If he fell to us I would not think twice. I have no doubt he would be the guy that everyone hopes Karnezis will become.

I only saw one game of his, and in that, I was underimpressed by him... But i heard he was below his usual at the Champs (which then concerned me, because if he struggles in higher level, what hope would he have in the AFL). That said, I'm certainly no recruitment expert, and I have only seen 1 game, so I probably shouldn't base my entire opinion off that... Add to this that the Quig has spoken and his word is law, and all of a sudden, I'd be quite happy with Mayes.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

If Quigley says so then that's good enough for me but would think if Macrae is available as well it would be a close thing.