2012 Draft Discussion

[The Golfing Lion]

I must admit after reading about the skills of all these young players here it's like they are all top 5 prospects. I then get pissed that Collingwood might get O'Brien, Garlett and Lonnergan! I think I hate Collingwood too much.

 

[Baby_Jenks]

I must admit after reading about the skills of all these young players here it's like they are all top 5 prospects. I then get pissed that Collingwood might get O'Brien, Garlett and Lonnergan! I think I hate Collingwood too much.

You can never hate collingwood too much, only not enough.

 

[Quigley]

Some observations if I may. Looking at this photograph, is that Tim Membrey standing next to Jake Stringer? If so Membrey looks as though he edges Stringer out in the height department. Just interesting given that Stringer is "KPF height" at 191cm while Membrey is a "medium forward" at 189cm. I still believe that some people give a players listed height, too much weight when it comes to drafting.

Also, Ollie Wines has a big head.

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Stringer measured at 190.5, Membrey at 189.2.

 

[POBT]

With ruck/forwards being so valuable there's something about Mason Shaw that isn't adding up. Are there question marks on him being soft or lacking competitiveness?

I made the comment earlier that the same thing happened with Elton last year. He was firmly in top 10 discussions, had a less than excellent champs and just kept falling further and further down the draft order - taken at #26 on the day.

Is it the case that clubs don't see a forward/ruck at junior level being able to translate that utility at senior level? Do they look for someone who is more a key position but has the capacity to learn to ruck, as opposed to someone who actually rucks (although Shaw fits this description)? Is this a by-product of the increasing reluctance to use high draft picks on ruck sized players? Or is this just coincidence?

To be honest, I didn't mind the look of Elton last year and I rate Shaw quite highly this year so I'm not getting it.

 

[POBT]

Stringer measured at 190.5, Membrey at 189.2.

Pretty funny that a 1.3cm actual height difference is reported as 2cm due to rounding up Stringer's height and rounding down Membrey's.

 

[blueiris]

Mason Wood looked a likely type. A CHF who likes to run his opponent around because of his big tank. On that bandwagon.

Is a bit on the small side for a key forward at AFL level if i was picking Mason's, would much rather Shaw, looks like the perfect Brown, replacement and yes I know Brown, is impossible to replace but Shaw is the kind of forward we should be looking at

 

[Lionwest]

I remember reading somewhere that Mason Shaw recorded a beep test (I gather from AIS) in the vicinity of level 14+. Which is a fairly solid base to work for a key forward of his size given that everyone seems to have pegged him as a deep FF. Could he be a bit more versatile down the track?

 

[Dylan12]

I must admit after reading about the skills of all these young players here it's like they are all top 5 prospects.

Not to mention immediately following most drafts, all club officials come out proclaiming that they rated the players they selected a lot higher than where they were taken and had <insert player selected in the first two rounds> rated as a top 10 pick.

 

[cotter101]

While I didn't think Shaw would go top 10, I am quite shocked that he is not included in many peoples top 30.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Assuming we take a mid with pick 8, he's my preference for pick 23/24 by a fair margin.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Not to mention immediately following most drafts, all club officials come out proclaiming that they rated the players they selected a lot higher than where they were taken and had <insert player selected in the first two rounds> rated as a top 10 pick.

I am amused when people get incredulous that this happens. It'd be naive to think that all clubs rate players the same as every other club.

 

[Mayestro]

Not to mention immediately following most drafts, all club officials come out proclaiming that they rated the players they selected a lot higher than where they were taken and had <insert player selected in the first two rounds> rated as a top 10 pick.

Last year, after talking up Longer as a top 5 player taken at 8, I felt a little for Docherty who Kerr referred to in his write up as being rated at 12. Where we got him. Honesty is to be applauded, and like most I think the write-ups exceptional, but I wouldn't have been disappointed if we had of pumped his tyres up a little bit by inferring he was in some way a steal.

 

[spotthedog1]

I am amused when people get incredulous that this happens. It'd be naive to think that all clubs rate players the same as every other club.

I am amused when people believe when this happens. It'd be naive to think that clubs wouldn't fake it if they completely stuffed their draft.

I'm kidding. I think it's a little of both. Clubs of course rank them differently, but clubs of course oversell how awesome their players are.

For the record Belgian - on the Brisboard phantom - I think Haynes will be 100 times the player that White is... I ranked Haynes top 20.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I am amused when people believe when this happens. It'd be naive to think that clubs wouldn't fake it if they completely stuffed their draft.

I'm kidding. I think it's a little of both. Clubs of course rank them differently, but clubs of course oversell how awesome their players are.

For the record Belgian - on the Brisboard phantom - I think Haynes will be 100 times the player that White is... I ranked Haynes top 20.

Touche.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Seems like quite a few of the bio's for KPP's mention that the player kicked 6 or more goals against Tassie or the NT. Would it be fair to say the scouts and recruiters wouldn't value those performances as much as, say, 6 goals against Vic Metro or the like?

 

[spotthedog1]

Touche.

Sorry, spelling mistake. I didn't mean top 20. I meant top 2.

 

[Nick Lions]

Stringer measured at 190.5, Membrey at 189.2.

Pretty funny that a 1.3cm actual height difference is reported as 2cm due to rounding up Stringer's height and rounding down Membrey's.

But you guys get where I'm coming from, I think Membrey could go as high as Stringer, given that, as forwards there probably isn't a whole lot between their respective skill sets and of course Stringer's injury. Despite the fact that Membrey is "technically" a medium and Stringer "technically" a tall.

Seems like quite a few of the bio's for KPP's mention that the player kicked 6 or more goals against Tassie or the NT. Would it be fair to say the scouts and recruiters wouldn't value those performances as much as, say, 6 goals against Vic Metro or the like?

Yeah, I'd say so. O'Brien kicked 6 in a 144 point thumping of Tasmania. But only managed a best of 2 against Div 1 sides. Really aside from Daniher and maybe Jaksch, the tall forwards don't scream round 1 pick, but tall guys are always valued higher.

 

[POBT]

But you guys get where I'm coming from, I think Membrey could go as high as Stringer, given that, as forwards there probably isn't a whole lot between their respective skill sets and of course Stringer's injury. Despite the fact that Membrey is "technically" a medium and Stringer "technically" a tall.

Not that I'm an expert but I see the difference being that Stringer has shown a fair bit as a midfielder while Membrey has shown less. Leaving aside the injury concerns, you'd be taking Membrey on faith as a midfielder. I also think that Stringer's form prior to his broken leg suggests he has a higher ceiling.

I think most people have the same concern about both of them - is their best position as a focal forward target, for which they may not be physically equipped to play at senior level?

Besides, Membrey comes across as a bit of a tosser

 

[Ironmonger]

Quigley's mock draft is up on the drafts and trading board here. I've just started reading through it and once again it looks like an absolute cracking read.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Quigley's mock draft is up on the drafts and trading board here. I've just started reading through it and once again it looks like an absolute cracking read.

Just printed it out at work to read on the train.

 

[theteamtobeat]

Pick 8: Jackson Macrae, 189cm, 79kg

After rebuilding the last couple of seasons in drafts dominated by the Suns and GWS, Macrae would be the last missing part of the Lions midfield that needs x-factor and abit of zip around the stoppages.

Versatile medium midfielder who can also go back or forward. Big improver this year and is a long
left foot kick. Shows great courage in the air and at ground level in his attack on the ball. Kicked
six goals vs TAS in an outstanding performance and averaged 19.4 disposals at 78.4% efficiency in the NAB AFL Under 18 Championships this year. Averaged 24 disposals in eleven TAC Cup
games this year, having an outstanding season overall.

NAB AFL Combine Results: 20m Sprint - 2.95 secs (Top 24%) Agility - 8.40 secs (Top 20%)

Others at this pick (if availiable I would consider): O'Rourke, Menzel, Stringer, Kristian Jaksch


Pick 23 0r 24: Mason Shaw, 198cm, 86kg
I was pretty happy when the herald sun phathom draft did not have this kid in the top 30. Mason Shaw is the perfect type of key forward that you can build a team around. He is the type of key forward that Vossy wants, someone who can play 70% of game time fwd and 30% pinch hit in the ruck.

I hope we take him since we missed out on Tippett (Thank God), and he would be the perfect replacement for Browny in a two years or so.

Others at this pick (if availiable I would consider): Ben Kennedy, Jesse Lonergan, Tim Membrey, Tim O'Brien, Josh Simpson, Tom Clurey, Dayle Garlett


Pick 33: Jackson Thurlow 191cm, 80g

Jackson won Tassy's MVP and would be the perfect replacement for Josh Drummond. The thing that stands out with Jackson is his ball use by foot and overhead marks. He demostrated this skills when Tasmania lost to power house Vic Metro by 50 odd points, while Jackson had 45 touches with 70-80% DE. The Lions don't really need to draft Jackson Thurlow, with the likes of Lester and Patfull who can play the third tall, but his ball use by foot and hand is Elite in this draft pool, hence why he made All Australian.

Medium defender who reads the play exceptionally well cutting off opposition forward moves and
providing a running option on the way out. Averaged 24.6 disposals and 6.6 marks winning All Australian honours in the 2012 NAB AFL Under 18 Championships.

NAB AFL Combine Results: Running Vertical Jump Left – 86cm (Top 11%)

Terrific decision maker including knowing when to attack and when to defend. Executes superbly by foot.

Others at this pick (if availiable I would consider): Aiden Corr, Nick Graham, Liam McBeam, Tanner Smith

 

[blueiris]

we already have Drummonds replacement in Golby or Docerty both have elite kicking skills

 

[jackess]

we already have Drummonds replacement in Golby or Docerty both have elite kicking skills

Adcock, McGrath and Maguire go alright as well.

 

[blueiris]

Adcock, McGrath and Maguire go alright as well.

yeah I know mate but The Team To Beat said we should take Jackson Throwlow because he would be Drummonds replacement should have probley linked the posts

 

[lionshine]

I can not believe I am doing this again guys but I am getting my hopes up on Toumpas It is absolutely zero chance to happen but I can't help but speculate especially after Emma Qualyes comments on GWS having 5 players in the mix for their top 3: Whitfield, Plowman, Menzel, Toumpas and O'Rourke.

What if the draft ended up like this:

GWS 1. Whitfield
GWS 2. Plowman
GWS 3. Menzel
Melbourne 4. Wines
Bulldogs 5. Stringer/Mayes/Macrae/O'Rourke
Bulldogs 6. Stringer/Mayes/Macrae/O'Rourke
Port 7. Grundy
MIGHTY LIONS 8. TOUMPAS

Unfortunately I don't think there is any chance whatsoever that the Bulldogs pass on Toumpas twice and Melbourne might go Toumpas over Wines. Port could still select Toumpas over Grundy if both were available as well. This is all hypothetical based on GWS not taking him of course. If it comes to draft night and GWS do not choose Toumpas I will start to get a tad excited most likely to only be crushed 5 minutes or so later when the Dees, Dogs, or Power select him. Still it would be right up there with Rich sliding and I believe he would be the perfect compliment to our developing midfield. I would he happy with Stringer, Macrae or Mayes as well though. I really want O'Brien at 24 for some reason. Probably the red hair