2012 Draft Discussion

[patfullfankezz]

you know this boy has a darryl white feel about him to me ! what do others think ?

all he needs is the magic !

It could just be the photo, but he seems to have a bit of the Patfull steel about him too.

 

[jackess]

you know this boy has a darryl white feel about him to me ! what do others think ?

all he needs is the magic !

That's what I thought looking at his video. Took a couple of marks somehow when out of position.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Must be great being a recruiter where ppl can't tell whether you're a spud list manager or not for 5 years and if someone dares to question your draft choices they get beaten down with a thorny stick.

Lets get realistic here. What credentials do you have as an AFL recruiter to question the Brisbane Lions recruiting this year?? Also if you are seriously saying you haven't been happy with our drafting since 2008 you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself.

 

[karix]

Must be great being a recruiter where ppl can't tell whether you're a spud list manager or not for 5 years and if someone dares to question your draft choices they get beaten down with a thorny stick.

Happy for you to questions draft choices, but if you think they're so bad, then tell us would you would've preferred to see done instead so we can.. you know.. discuss it.

What do you want us to do when you disagree with something the club does? This is a serious question that I want an answer to. How would you like us to react to your negativity?

We have different points of view, so all I can discuss are the merits of your case, but you haven't put forward a case. You and others have just said "well this is crap" but offered no alternatives, suggestions, or explanations of how you came to your conclusions. It's like you're in school, you've been asked a math question and provided an answer that isn't wrong, but is different to what was expected. But because you haven't shown your working, we've got no idea how you came to that answer and can't test/discuss its validity.

What I've noticed is if you post something that is predominantly negative with very little substance, you will get replies that are predominantly negative and have very little substance.

On the other hand if you can show me how you got to your point of view, I may end up understanding your angle, agreeing with you and taking your side on the issue.

 

[Bucking Beads]

It could just be the photo, but he seems to have a bit of the Patfull steel about him too.

Nothing like Patfull at all.

 

[Ironmonger]

you know this boy has a darryl white feel about him to me ! what do others think ?

all he needs is the magic !

Yeah, reminded me a little of Darryl White too.

 

[patfullfankezz]

Nothing like Patfull at all.

Not what I meant. I'm guessing you don't do auras?

 

[Old Den]

Yeah, reminded me a little of Darryl White too.

Best part of 7 cm taller according to Robbie Kerr...194 going on 195 he said...Browny's height near enough...you know,a real inbetweener.

 

[rusty08]

you know this boy has a darryl white feel about him to me ! what do others think ?

all he needs is the magic !

I certainly see it. Beat me to the punch

 

[dlanod]

Fixed.

No, that's just being insulting for no real benefit.

 

[dlanod]

Yeah I wish we had a recruiter that had a good success rate as well but alas, we're still nowhere near finals footy.

Since 2008 (the advent of the current recruiting team) and up until 2010's class, i.e. those off their base contracts, we've delisted only three of 16 recruits (one, Keiran King, due to advice never to play football again). Eight of their recruits were best 22 by the end of last year - these guys have recruited one third of our current best 22 in these draft classes, whereas in a normal team who has had a continuously good recruitment team this number should be a lot lower. And that's not counting rookies like Beams, Golby, Crisp or Hanley because they tend to be more of a crapshoot.

 

[13Beast]

Best part of 7 cm taller according to Robbie Kerr...194 going on 195 he said...Browny's height near enough...you know,a real inbetweener.

Let's say he hits a good 195/196, sorts out his kicking and adds polish to his game, muscle and a bit of sprint speed, without losing his running endurance, he is going to be one real matchup headache for opposing teams!

 

[13Beast]

And that's not counting rookies like Beams, Golby, Crisp or Hanley because they tend to be more of a crapshoot.

I think the AFL should rename the Rookie Draft to the "Brisbane Lions gem-find Draft"

 

[KeSter]

Don’t you just love the look on Harv’s face, like the cat who got the cream.



Don’t tell me he isn’t looking forward to working with this kid next year.



In your face Wallace.



http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151694/default.aspx

 

[Hollow Knight]

No, that's just being insulting for no real benefit.

Ah, the way certain posters were using "spud" willy nilly, I just assumed it was one of those terms for "cool" that sound bad, like "sick" or "badass". I guess I was just trying to be cool.

 

[KeSter]

Ah, the way certain posters were using "spud" willy nilly, I just assumed it was one of those terms for "cool" that sound bad, like "sick" or "badass". I guess I was just trying to be cool.

Word, dawg.

 

[Ruse]

Since 2008 (the advent of the current recruiting team) and up until 2010's class, i.e. those off their base contracts, we've delisted only three of 16 recruits (one, Keiran King, due to advice never to play football again). Eight of their recruits were best 22 by the end of last year - these guys have recruited one third of our current best 22 in these draft classes, whereas in a normal team who has had a continuously good recruitment team this number should be a lot lower. And that's not counting rookies like Beams, Golby, Crisp or Hanley because they tend to be more of a crapshoot.

So that's your idea of a good success rate? Absolutely baseline AFL talent? We've got no elite talent to show for our years of being at the bottom of the table and all we've got are guys capable of getting us 4 wins less than required to make the top 8. The pies have won a flag since 2002, sydney and west coast are at the top again since '06 I'm not happy seeing my team being satisfied with the subpar results the team achieved this year and the rapidly declining membership numbers suggest I'm not the only one.

 

[Whabbaghetti]

It would be a good result if this topic could replicate the mood of Preview: Brisbane Lions vs Adelaide (Round 21), just over a longer time span. Hopefully quarter time is approaching...

 

[pulpdriver]

So that's your idea of a good success rate? Absolutely baseline AFL talent? We've got no elite talent to show for our years of being at the bottom of the table and all we've got are guys capable of getting us 4 wins less than required to make the top 8. The pies have won a flag since 2002, sydney and west coast are at the top again since '06 I'm not happy seeing my team being satisfied with the subpar results the team achieved this year and the rapidly declining membership numbers suggest I'm not the only one.

I'm not sure what more the current recruiting team would have to do to demonstrate potential. We have been without the low picks generally granted to teams finishing with less than 4 wins. This years "subpar results" are more than twice as many as last year and that came from development into these "baselines AFL [spuds]." Rebuilds take time. The swans and West Coast both have the advantage of dynamic stars from their last tilt still being around and West Coast has had some great success with low picks. We have to back our recruiters getting value where they can, our coaching staff and player's rapport developing strongly and a winning culture germinating. I think we're on the right path and our recruiters and coaches have earned back a lot of trust in the last five years.

 

[chopperduck]

So that's your idea of a good success rate? Absolutely baseline AFL talent? We've got no elite talent to show for our years of being at the bottom of the table and all we've got are guys capable of getting us 4 wins less than required to make the top 8. The pies have won a flag since 2002, sydney and west coast are at the top again since '06 I'm not happy seeing my team being satisfied with the subpar results the team achieved this year and the rapidly declining membership numbers suggest I'm not the only one.

You need to chill out, look at the bigger picture. It seems to me like you've only now just realised how crappy our recruiting was for the past 10 years, and your dumping all that blame on our current recruiting team, when they have only been at the helm since 08 at the earliest. We don't have a lot to show for our recruiting before about 07, and that is only a 5 year span until current day. That is not sufficient time to rebuild a list from scratch and be back to the big time. We have had a very big premiership hangover, and the few gems we got in that time, most have been lost. As has been said, a good portion of our current best 22 has been found and drafted by our current recruiting team. Most of these guys are still young and learning the ropes, and due to us not having the better older players we should have had from pre-08 drafts, they are the ones carrying the team. We are a young team, we have drafted very well the past few years, but you don't get results from drafts instantly. This is where we differ from the Pies, Swans and Eagles and why they have been able to get back up there and we haven't, they have had that core group of older players, still around from the last flag tilts, and they are leading the way for the young ones. We have a few old stars in Black and Brown, but we don't have the core of our team in it's prime. We are starting a lot further back than those 3 teams have.

No one is disagreeing with the fact that we have drafted poorly previously, and yes, it has been a long time between drinks, but this is something many of us have realised some time ago and have identified just from looking at our best 22 and when they were drafted. You can't hold the current guys responsible for the mess the previous guys made, especially when their work since being here has been top notch. Doing so makes you look lazy and reactive for not putting in 2 minutes worth of research into your own team and it's current standing on who is responsible for what.

Your point is valid, your target is not.

 

[lionshine]

So that's your idea of a good success rate? Absolutely baseline AFL talent? We've got no elite talent to show for our years of being at the bottom of the table and all we've got are guys capable of getting us 4 wins less than required to make the top 8. The pies have won a flag since 2002, sydney and west coast are at the top again since '06 I'm not happy seeing my team being satisfied with the subpar results the team achieved this year and the rapidly declining membership numbers suggest I'm not the only one.

Whether we have recruited elite players over the past few years or not is debatable in my opinion. You think no, I think yes. Anyway, the inclusion of GC and GWS have robbed us of the chance of having picks that would have otherwise put us in a position to draft a Bennell, Coniglio, or Toumpas. I was more then willing to not retort to one of your comments and I was happy to read your point of view however I think you are now just arguing for the sake of it and I am now finding it hard to take your comments seriously. So far you have not said anything of true substance that backs up your opinion.

 

[jackess]

Only 6 other teams have premierships since our last. Given the equality of the competition it's a bit unfair to expect that we should be pushing for another premiership.

 

[Ruse]

You need to chill out, look at the bigger picture. It seems to me like you've only now just realised how crappy our recruiting was for the past 10 years, and your dumping all that blame on our current recruiting team, when they have only been at the helm since 08 at the earliest. We don't have a lot to show for our recruiting before about 07, and that is only a 5 year span until current day. That is not sufficient time to rebuild a list from scratch and be back to the big time. We have had a very big premiership hangover, and the few gems we got in that time, most have been lost. As has been said, a good portion of our current best 22 has been found and drafted by our current recruiting team. Most of these guys are still young and learning the ropes, and due to us not having the better older players we should have had from pre-08 drafts, they are the ones carrying the team. We are a young team, we have drafted very well the past few years, but you don't get results from drafts instantly. This is where we differ from the Pies, Swans and Eagles and why they have been able to get back up there and we haven't, they have had that core group of older players, still around from the last flag tilts, and they are leading the way for the young ones. We have a few old stars in Black and Brown, but we don't have the core of our team in it's prime. We are starting a lot further back than those 3 teams have.

No one is disagreeing with the fact that we have drafted poorly previously, and yes, it has been a long time between drinks, but this is something many of us have realised some time ago and have identified just from looking at our best 22 and when they were drafted. You can't hold the current guys responsible for the mess the previous guys made, especially when their work since being here has been top notch. Doing so makes you look lazy and reactive for not putting in 2 minutes worth of research into your own team and it's current standing on who is responsible for what.

Your point is valid, your target is not.

Just because the current recruitment team has drafted better than the last recruitment team doesn't automatically mean that they have drafted great. We are still a long way from finals football and filling a quarter of list spots with tall utilities and ruck/forwards won't land us a premiership especially when an inside midfielder (a critical, critical need) wasn't drafted. I'm not a richmond supporter, I can't wait another 8 years without success and there's not a lot the club is doing that makes me confident success is achievable this decade. How long do supporters tolerate the Kerr's recruiting strategies without anything to show for it other than jumping a couple of steps up the ladder? Another 5 years?

 

[Bert Man]

The answer to our inside mid problem I think was addressed with Moloney for the short term, but if we rookie Pongracic we may just have a long term inside player.

 

[Hollow Knight]

The answer to our inside mid problem I think was addressed with Moloney for the short term, but if we rookie Pongracic we may just have a long term inside player.

There are big plans for Isaac Conway as well.