2012 Draft Discussion

[PattyKwasagun]

Rich Redden and Rockliff would be around 26, Karnezis & Polec 24, Leuey 28, Merrett & Patfull might still be around...sounds like a good group of experienced players to me

I get what you mean, but if Hogan only turns 18 next year, can we really expect him to be the focal point of our attack anytime before 23? I think he'd be in and out of the team before then, but in terms of a premiership winning, dominant power forward, I think he'd need to be 23 at least, probably 24. If the latter, that's seven years, which changes it a fair bit. It's why I've said for a while that we should probably look to the state leagues for someone, or to other clubs. We really need someone that will fit the age bracket more. I think Tippett would, but there's now doubt over his brain. Hopefully Lisle shows this Saturday that maybe he can.

 

[jjami15]

The other issue with Hogan is that he will take four or five years from next year to become a regular AFL player. As I've mentioned before, by that stage our young guys won't be so young anymore. I still think he'd be my preference though.

This reiterates the fact that over this and next years draft we sort out our spine. If we were to attain Hogan and one or two further KPP's to go with J Clark this would go along way to sorting out this problem. But I'm not of the mind to trade in players at this moment of time like others on our board. Losing M Clark and L Henderson was not a good thing IMO.

 

[Mayestro]

From the little I've seen of him Hogan is a little more AFL ready than some of the KPP this year- he looked already to have a solid physique, and so may not necessarily take the traditional 4-6 years to become a regular. Even if he did, if our recruiters deem he's a step above this year KPP an extra 2nd round pick to get him would be worth it. For example if he is more a Michael Hurley compared to Lachie Henderson, of course you would spend an extra pick.

The Bulldogs recently re-signed a trio of young developing tall forwards/ruck- this may make them less inclined to spend up on a key tall.

If Melbourne manage to snare Cloke, a forward line of Clark and Cloke would make a high priced key tall far less of a priority. It will also be interesting if there is any fall out from the Brock McLean tanking hand grenade he lobbed- if the AFL do decide there's an issue there may even be the scrapping of compensation picks. (To be honest it's likely they'll find no wrong doing if past outcomes are any indication)

 

[Ruse]

If we're gonna use pick 8 and second round pick for Hogan, we may as well just use those picks to trade for Tippett.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

If we're gonna use pick 8 and second round pick for Hogan, we may as well just use those picks to trade for Tippett.

Even with his concussion worries?

 

[Ruse]

Even with his concussion worries?

He'd have to pass a medical first, of course.

 

[dlanod]

If we're gonna use pick 8 and second round pick for Hogan, we may as well just use those picks to trade for Tippett.

The other factors with Tippett is (a) does he want to move, and (b) how much are we going to have to pay him. With Hogan it's (a) no choice and (b) no choice.

 

[jackess]

He'd have to pass a medical first, of course.

I think he's already had scans and been cleared of any lasting effects. They're just taking it easy with him and he hasn't been doing full training so he can't play. He'll probably come back with his body feeling refreshed and have a big finals series. Hopefully.

 

[Bucking Beads]

If we were to trade our first and second pick for a player in the mini draft you would want the player we pick up to be an absolute gun.

 

[dlanod]

If we were to trade our first and second pick for a player in the mini draft you would want the player we pick up to be an absolute gun.

Would you trade picks 8 and 28ish to upgrade to pick 2 or 3, bearing in mind we still have pick 22ish? That's the equivalent of the minidraft.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Would you trade picks 8 and 28ish to upgrade to pick 2 or 3, bearing in mind we still have pick 22ish? That's the equivalent of the minidraft.

Put that way, absolutely.

 

[Quigley]

The problem is that you have to wait a year for the guy to play and the risk of failure is higher because you have seen less of them and they are not as developed as the older kids.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

The problem is that you have to wait a year for the guy to play and the risk of failure is higher because you have seen less of them and they are not as developed as the older kids.

But they spend the year developing the same as any other draftee would.

I think with where our list age-wise is we can afford packing off two picks for one, but yeah it would depend on our individual assessment of Martin, Hogan et al. But if we rate them I have not problem having a crack at them.

 

[jackess]

From what I've seen and heard O'Meara and Crouch are going to be better next season than anyone drafted this year. Crouch especially is looking very promising. If markets were open I'd be putting big money on Crouch to win the rising star next year.

I'd be more than happy to go after Martin or Hogan. While the Lions have many promising footballers we're a bit light on for top end, elite talent.

Also if last year was to Brown or Black's last season than being able to train with these guys would be invaluable for Martin or Hogan.

 

[dlanod]

The problem is that you have to wait a year for the guy to play and the risk of failure is higher because you have seen less of them and they are not as developed as the older kids.

Which is exactly why I'd be reluctant to do it for Martin but more willing to do it for Hogan - Hogan looked a lot more developed than Martin. Just IMO though.

 

[Triple R]

Which is exactly why I'd be reluctant to do it for Martin but more willing to do it for Hogan - Hogan looked a lot more developed than Martin. Just IMO though.

Understandable; to think of what Martin would be able to do with a full year training and playing at a club. For one, watching him play with his ability to find space and the ball and execute his skills was quite amazing for a skinny 17 year old. He, and more so Garlett oozed class when they got the ball. I'd be more inclined to take Garlett if he is as is expected to be around at our pick.

 

[Bucking Beads]

We need elite talent so I guess getting it at all costs would be the priority.

 

[Morgs_]

I personally wouldn't mind either way what the Club does in regards to Hogan/Martin whomever, if they think we need to trade picks for elite young talent, go for it. I think that we don't need to be getting that many more young players onto the list at the moment except for the minimum. Going after someone from the mini-draft like previously mentioned would give the kids an opportunity to train with Brown/Black. But IIRC some of the mini-drafters stay at home they 1 year before eligibility don't they? Read somewhere that one of the WA boys that is in the mini-draft was going to stay in WA even if he was picked up because he needed to finish Grade 12. Correct me if I'm wrong please!

 

[Sunny_]

But IIRC some of the mini-drafters stay at home they 1 year before eligibility don't they? Read somewhere that one of the WA boys that is in the mini-draft was going to stay in WA even if he was picked up because he needed to finish Grade 12. Correct me if I'm wrong please!

They train with the club just like other players and are able to play in the 2s. O'Meara for instance did the 2012 pre-season with the club and has lived on the Coast since late 2011. Played a few games for the Suns Reserves too. So essentially he, like Crouch who went to the Crows, will have done 2 full AFL pre-seasons before they even debut.

It's another added bonus on getting a MD player. You can craft them much earlier and have them much fitter/stronger/ready to go come round 1 on when they're eligible to play seniors.

So O'Meara and Crouch have 2 pre-seasons in them come the start of 2013, whereas Whitfield/Grundy etc. will only have the 1. Despite them both being from the same class.

What you're referring to is Martin saying that if no club he was interested in showed interest for the mini-draft, he would remain in WA and develop on his own. However, he has since nominated.

 

[Morgs_]

Definitely wrong. They train with the club just like other players and are able to play in the 2s. O'Meara for instance did the 2012 pre-season with the club and has lived on the Coast since late 2011. Played a few games for the Suns Reserves too.

What you're referring to is Martin saying that if no-one he was interested in nominated for the mini-draft, he would remain in WA and develop on his own. However, he has since nominated.

Thanks Sunny, wasn't sure on the younger kids and their options. Would love for us to pick up a Hogan/Martin type player and develop him, would be great to see him running around in the 2's and see what he does live.

 

[Quigley]

It could well have been something Martin's father said. Apparently he is very much of a handfull. Think Cloke and Morton like.

 

[Quigley]

I am pretty sure it would be open for the kid to stay at home. They would not be entitled to receive any money though and the club would retain their rights.

 

[Sunny_]

Yeah, Quigs is spot on. If the kid wanted to stay home, that would certainly be an option. Though Jaeger was keen to get to the Goldy, mostly so he could train with the squad and learn the structures. Everything is the same for him. Arizona, pre-season, Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday training sessions, recovery, injury re-hab, etc. He even travels with the seniors so he gets experience and lessons on what to do when travelling interstate. The only difference being that he doesn't play senior games.

All vital experience. I remember reading that Crouch has put on something like 5-7kgs since joining the Crows. While Jaeger hasn't put on the same level of mass, I think both of these kids will have bigger bases to work from than Whitfield and co. come the start of 2013.

Not that his education has been abandoned. I believe he gets homeschooled.

 

[Bert Man]

Ben Saunders should be a mature aged KPF the club should look at in the WAFL

 

[acuguy]

We just need to draft the next Lewis Jetta with our 1st pick. Our team needs that pace, our club needs that outside runner and us fans need that Got to get to the game to watch this bloke play feeling!