2012 Draft Discussion

[Bucking Beads]

I've seen a few phantom drafts where Jackson Macrae goes at around our pick. Thoughts on him guys??

 

[lionsrthebest]

Sorry but that story is very hard to believe. I have never seen Karnezis crash a pack, he doesn't have a big leap on him or really good pace, you need to be able to do at least one of these things well to be a key forward and if he has already lost pace with the extra weight put on then he's only going to get slower. His fitness has a long way to go as well and in the reserves he played in the midfield, why would he play there if he was going to be our next key forward?

if you read my comments i did say it did not work out , i would believe pat k stated was true as he must know . as for a forward , he was listed prior to the 2010 draft as
Patrick Karnezis – 2010 AFL Draft Prospect

Age: 18
Position: Medium/Tall Forward
History: Patrick Karnezis is a 191cm forward with a good over head mark and an even better team focus, most people haven’t paid Karnezis much attention until recently and that’s because he has spent most of his sporting life playing soccer.
For a late comer to Aussie Rules Patrick Karnezis reads the game exceptionally well, perhaps it is proof that AFL is becoming more like soccer than we care to admit… regardless as I said Karnezis really can read our game which is the hardest thing to teach a forward and a trait that leads to him kicking some really clever goals.
The knock on Patrick is the defensive side of the game, whilst he does have a team focus in terms of involving his team mates in the contest he does struggle a little when the football is going the other way.
I’d expect Patrick to go late in the second round at the earliest but with a bit of work that could be considered a bargain in a few years.
Further Reading:
Patrick Karnezis
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[stuyd1]

It is a shame that a player who is obviously a fan favourite is so keen to leave. What a Moo IMO. I wish him no luck at all if he leaves the Lions.

The Swans delisted a guy by the name of Dylan Mcneil this week. Is 21 and had 3 years at the Swans.Over the past 2 seasons has been named in the 5 best players each week on so many occasions for the Swans magoos, its not funny.. but still didnt get a crack at the ones.
Is a midfielder with great skills and a under the pack, get the ball player.I attended the Lions vs Swans magoos game this season and spoke to ex Swans great Stuy Maxfield, whom is a senior assistant coach at the Swans. Upon asking about Mcneil, he said he is close to senior selection , but the abundance of talent in the Swans midfield is keeping him at magoos level.
Mcneil says he will nominate for the next months draft and if not picked up by another club, will go to the sanfl and hope to get noticed from there.
Just maybe another Zorko story in the making.

 

[whatboutbob]

I've seen a few phantom drafts where Jackson Macrae goes at around our pick. Thoughts on him guys??

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-draft-discussion.919887/page-46#post-25635382

 

[dlanod]

Redden was highly regarded inside midfielder and rated second behind Hartlett in the SA U18 squad. All this subterfuge about Redden and how we somehow pulled a great robbery is a myth. Melbourne was very keen and so were few other clubs.
Ah, there was no lower grade type scenario in Redden's case.

Redden may have been highly regarded internally at a few of the clubs but the general draft pundits had no idea who he was and he wasn't popping up in mock drafts, expert or BF, especially not that high.

 

[Triple R]

my dad spoke with Patty k - and his parents they r neighbours . patty k does want to come home he is home sick . patty k told my dad he was to be the j brown replacement , they put him on a weight programme however patty k stated it slowed down his speed and was felt the idea did not work , Voss has stated him as required player.my dad who worked with several afl clubs has spoken on behalf of patty k to carlton and richmond , carlton advised my dad they will discuss patty k on monday with mick as to wether or not they will make a play or not for him.if he stays he will probably leave next year when his contract is finished. my dad introduced patty k to carlton well before he got drafted to brisbane

Do you barrack for Richmond on the side per chance?

Do Carlton make a move without discussing it with dad? I'd think not, sounds like he's a reputable sort.

 

[dlanod]

I've seen a few phantom drafts where Jackson Macrae goes at around our pick. Thoughts on him guys??

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/149635/default.aspx

They love to talk up all draftees but it sounds like Mayes, O'Rourke and Macrae might be the three that we'd expect one of to be available. Looking at that list, I kind of hope that Plowman is taken before our pick. It's hard to get excited over using a top 10 draft pick on a KPD. Once you get outside those guys you get into kids with more question marks, i.e. Menzel (knees), Membrey (played at full forward in TAC but only 189 cm), Garlett (baggage), etc.

 

[Grimreepah]

Phelan rates the top 20 prospects

The players with pick 8 in their range are Lachie Plowman, Sam Mayes, Jackson Macrae and Troy Menzel. Jaksch is in the top 20, but Shaw isn't.

edit: bugger, beaten by one minute.

 

[jackess]

Really want Mayes but Macrae would be a good project as well.

 

[irel]

From my recollection he didn't go to draft camp and only played a couple of U18 matches, so I don't think he was held in that esteem. Either that or it was a poor year for SA. But your point that other clubs knew about him is true. However I would still maintain that he was a steal at that pick.

What is apparent is that the recruiting strategies of clubs aren't as great a secret as might be suspected. Sure they might hold some cards close to their chest, but there's very few true smokies. Someone like Justin Clarke or Lachlan Keeffe would be the closest you get these days given the amount of talent identification that goes on.

You well may be right. However let's dispel this myth that somehow we plucked Redden out of nowhere because our recruiters conspired to keep him a secret. Nothing further from the truth. As you point out now days with so much money and focus being invested in talent identification I don't believe anyone escapes the scrutiny of the AFL clubs. Even the draft strategy of opposition clubs is examined thoroughly. It becomes just a matter of which club has a specific need and where they see him in the order of the draft. Some have a higher profile than others however ultimately the talented kids surface to the top.

 

[jackess]

It's not uncommon for country boys in SA that are late bloomers to go under the radar and possibly be late bolters like Reddo and Clarke.

 

[mpal6]

You well may be right. However let's dispel this myth that somehow we plucked Redden out of nowhere because our recruiters conspired to keep him a secret. Nothing further from the truth. As you point out now days with so much money and focus being invested in talent identification I don't believe anyone escapes the scrutiny of the AFL clubs. Even the draft strategy of opposition clubs is examined thoroughly. It becomes just a matter of which club has a specific need and where they see him in the order of the draft. Some have a higher profile than others however ultimately the talented kids surface to the top.

There was an article about Melbourne wanting to draft Redden at pick 30-40 and we gazumped them by going early. Kerr was quoted saying there are cases where we may go slightly higher than usual if it fits their recruiting model.

EDIT: thanks TBD

 

[Hollow Knight]

There was an article about Melbourne wanting to draft Redden at pick 30-40 and we gazumped them by going early.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/breakfast-with-the-star-makers/story-e6frf9mf-1111118183298

 

[irel]

Apparently 'about 10 clubs' were sniffing around Clarke, and didn't AFLQ head get sacked for his part in the Keeffe shenanigans?

If recollect correctly Clark had an article written about him in the Age well pre-draft, the usual bushie talent and distance to city, isolation etc... However almost every club showed interest but they did not have the in depth knowledge about him as they did with some of the other kids. He had to play at least one game in a major competition to qualify for the draft. I think the Crows organised this and had him pegged to recruit him. Why they didn't is a mystery. I think the Crows believe that wherever he goes at some point in the future they will be able to extract him and return him back to SA. This is purely conjecture on my behalf.

As far as Keefe goes there were some shenanigans going on by a Collingwood paid AFLQ official to ensure certain talented kids are kept away from other clubs via some devious and draft tampering ways.
The interesting thing was the official wore the brunt and Collingwood... well nothing happened to them.
Can you imagine the penalty imposed on us if we were found to be tampering with the draft process?

 

[lionsrthebest]

Do you barrack for Richmond on the side per chance?

Do Carlton make a move without discussing it with dad? I'd think not, sounds like he's a reputable sort.

I barracked for Fitzroy all my life so does the rest of my family seen the highs and lows . regards my dad worked at carlton knows people there spent majority of time at the roy boys - Carlton make their own decisions so thats silly statement , however my dad knows patty k's family and of course patty k . he is a strong believer in patty k's potential , saw him play well before the draft at the request of his family . he has connections whether carlton wants patty k or not is entirely up to carlton but a senior mgr @ carlton stated to my dad they will discuss patty k on monday , who knows what will happen . i would prefer to have patty k stay but there is a lot more for his reasons that i can not say.theres a strong link to fitzroy from the old days

 

[lionshine]

Yeah Macrae intrigues me. He has a bit of an awakward playing style but it all just works beautifully. Nice left foot kick and he can kick goals. Goes hard at the footy to and he has a bit of pace. I would be happy if we selected him. Garlett, Wines and Macrae would probably be my 3 preferences at pick 8.

 

[jjami15]

Wines, Stringer and O'Rourke for me at 8. Better to have a few, less chance of disappointment. Hope we go KPP with the rest.

 

[mpal6]

Officially on the Stringer train !!
(Club never drafts who I follow, my track record is deplorable.. Joel Selwood, Tom Swift, Tom Lynch to mention a few)

 

[lionsrthebest]

My draft perference (and im no expert)...but I want either Foot skills or X Factor for our 1st pick.

so either
1) Garlett for his run and carry with explosive pace and X Factor. I remeber thinking this of Rioli and watched us take Henderson instead
2) Sam Mayes...he played for my footy club (bias call yeah as I can say that I have been hit on the chest by a Sam Mayes bullet pass)...but geez, the guy is a great kid, versatile as hell, and has a great kick. Oh,and when he heads back to town I can get easy autographs and photos . Seriously, this kid is born to play footy

totally agree-- Garlett is on talent alone ,worthy of pick 8 for us . he is exactly what we need speed and skill just what the doctor ordered , i hope he has his life back in order otherwise it would be an absolute waste , but i hope everything is good and we pick him up

 

[chopperduck]

Redden was highly regarded inside midfielder and rated second behind Hartlett in the SA U18 squad. All this subterfuge about Redden and how we somehow pulled a great robbery is a myth. Melbourne was very keen and so were few other clubs.
Ah, there was no lower grade type scenario in Redden's case.

As I said, I can't remember exact details, but I wasn't trying to say we were the only club that knew about him. Only that we were very keen, were since early in the piece but closer to the draft more clubs got interested as he was playing well. We took him earlier because we rated him and didn't think he would be at our next pick.

It's an example of clubs taking players earlier because of known interest by other clubs. I still remember looking up Reddens bio on the AFL site after we drafted him. Was no photo, no stats, just a very basic write up. He was a fairly unknown player.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

You well may be right. However let's dispel this myth that somehow we plucked Redden out of nowhere because our recruiters conspired to keep him a secret. Nothing further from the truth. As you point out now days with so much money and focus being invested in talent identification I don't believe anyone escapes the scrutiny of the AFL clubs. Even the draft strategy of opposition clubs is examined thoroughly. It becomes just a matter of which club has a specific need and where they see him in the order of the draft. Some have a higher profile than others however ultimately the talented kids surface to the top.

Agreed. The idea of clubs squirrelling away a player is ridiculous. With the way the larger footy community talk there are really no secrets and even if there was an undiscovered gem, all clubs will want to look at them at a higher level. Case in point: Zyrus Manson.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Not sure whether we are talking the same article but I recall a write-up about his time training with North Adelaide and their coach Josh Francou said something along the lines of Clarke was crashed a couple of times and got up and generally "did everything right" but I came away with a feeling of "slightly faint praise". I have a feeling the Crows just didn't rate him as highly as evidenced by the fact that he was asked to train with us but not with them.

 

[possum8]

Not sure if anyone has said this but we are looking at Scott Clouston again. I believe 3 other clubs are also interested in him as well.

 

[chopperduck]

Not sure if anyone has said this but we are looking at Scott Clouston again. I believe 3 other clubs are also interested in him as well.

Interesting if true.

 

[blueiris]

Wines, Stringer and O'Rourke for me at 8. Better to have a few, less chance of disappointment. Hope we go KPP with the rest.

I think all of Wines, Stringer, and O'Rouke, will be gone by the time our pick comes around more likely Mayes, MacRea, Menzel, and Garlett, are the Mids that I think will avilable at around our pick. But my heart is set on Shaw but I think I will be disappionted.