2012 Draft Discussion

[Ruse]

If he's 191cm now there's a good chance he'd grow to the 194-198cm range that is ideal for a key back.

He's not 13 yrs old, there's a decent chance he'll grow an extra cm before he stops growing but only a very very slim chance he's gonna grow an extra 3-7 cm.

 

[Ruse]

plowman because of his size would probably not be the key defender we are looking for id get him if we wanted to try him in the midfield as the big inside midfielder most teams want these days, tanner smith would be awesome at pick 24 as the big key defender we want

If we're gonna try to turn him into a midfielder after we draft him, why don't we just draft the plethora of excellent genuine midfield prospects available at pick 8?

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Reckon I'll be in the minority on this one, but on the off chance Wines is available at our pick I'd pass because, wait for it, I think Conway will offer us a similar package next year.

But Wines is more of a sure thing than Conway. Gift horse and all that.

 

[CallumBartlett]

But Wines is more of a sure thing than Conway. Gift horse and all that.

I'd have to disagree, I think Conway is more outside where I've found wines to be a tough nut ball winner that we lack, there is also a massive size difference between the two, yes Wines is a year older but he'd have to be at least 10-15kg bigger than Conway, Conway won't be ready come round 1, 2014. In saying that it's like us talking about Whitfield or Grundy, Wines won't slip to us. Really for us it's MacRae or Mayes for the smalls or if Voss wants a KPD we may go Jaksch. Personally I like Mayes but you could argue a case for many players for that pick, it's a very good draft.

 

[Offsider]

I'd have to disagree, I think Conway is more outside where I've found wines to be a tough nut ball winner that we lack, there is also a massive size difference between the two, yes Wines is a year older but he'd have to be at least 10-15kg bigger than Conway, Conway won't be ready come round 1, 2014. In saying that it's like us talking about Whitfield or Grundy, Wines won't slip to us. Really for us it's MacRae or Mayes for the smalls or if Voss wants a KPD we may go Jaksch. Personally I like Mayes but you could argue a case for many players for that pick, it's a very good draft.

Have you seen Conway play?

Also although Macrae or Mayes are chances for our pick, I wouldn't rule out players like O'Rourke, Menzel or Garner. There are plenty of talented players and we will pick best available imo.

 

[CallumBartlett]

Have you seen Conway play?

Also although Macrae or Mayes are chances for our pick, I wouldn't rule out players like O'Rourke, Menzel or Garner. There are plenty of talented players and we will pick best available imo.

Obviously not enough. I've only seen online highlights but I didn't see much of him getting his own ball. I'm not doubting you though.

O'Rourke - should be gone by our pick
Menzel - Too high risk/high reward, we can't take the chance.
Garner - Talented young man - Not talented enough for 8 IMO.

The other one I like is Garlett but supposably the dogs are looking at him plus the much publicised Behaviour Problems has me concerned. But he is very talented none the less.

 

[chopperduck]

He is the best defender in the draft, you wouldnt' draft him to be a mid.

 

[captainrich]

If we're gonna try to turn him into a midfielder after we draft him, why don't we just draft the plethora of excellent genuine midfield prospects available at pick 8?

he would be the only big inside mid prospect available at that pick since stringer will most likely be gone to the dogs?

 

[captainrich]

He's not 13 yrs old, there's a decent chance he'll grow an extra cm before he stops growing but only a very very slim chance he's gonna grow an extra 3-7 cm.

3-7cm is a bit ambitious tanner smith is at 194cm already and from his description seems to be a strong defender wouldnt he be a better option if available at our 2nd pick though that would be a big risk

 

[Ruse]

he would be the only big inside mid prospect available at that pick since stringer will most likely be gone to the dogs?

I'm sure there are other inside mids available in this draft other than wines, stringer and plowman.

Don't overthink this.

 

[CallumBartlett]

In terms of the KPD issue, one will surely be taken at 24 or 33 and Clarke will elevated next year surely?

 

[jackess]

What KPD issue? We have 3 in our best 22 with Clarke and McKeever developing and Lisle, Staker and Martin as options.

 

[whatboutbob]

Obviously not enough. I've only seen online highlights but I didn't see much of him getting his own ball. I'm not doubting you though.

He's an inside beast. That prob isn't obvious when he plays NEAFL, but he cleans up against his peers. If anything I'd have question marks over his ability to spread from the contest.

But Wines is more of a sure thing than Conway. Gift horse and all that.

Yeah, I'm not going to convince you otherwise, but IMO they're close enough and there should be some better fits on the table for us to choose from (espesh if we move up a pick) to justify waving him through to a gleeful Richmond.

Of course I know fully well there's a lot of projection there, but I really like what I've seen of Isaac.

 

[captainrich]

What KPD issue? We have 3 in our best 22 with Clarke and McKeever developing and Lisle, Staker and Martin as options.

yeahh i agree i think we have a bigger KPF issue

 

[CallumBartlett]

What KPD issue? We have 3 in our best 22 with Clarke and McKeever developing and Lisle, Staker and Martin as options.

To be honest I actually meant to write KPP, I think we have a problem with depth at both ends of the ground. I was also talking about big bodied KPD's not the third tall's. In terms of:

1) McKeever - Don't rate him.
2) Clarke - Still a while off.
3) Lisle - Isn't a KPD.
4) Staker - Doesn't want to play back. Also can't take the Gorilla's.
5) Martin - Completely forgot about him.

Maguire, Merrett and Martin are the only one's who can take the gorilla's week in week out, I think we need to improve our depth there.

 

[captainrich]

To be honest I actually meant to write KPP, I think we have a problem with depth at both ends of the ground. I was also talking about big bodied KPD's not the third tall's. In terms of:

1) McKeever - Don't rate him.
2) Clarke - Still a while off.
3) Lisle - Isn't a KPD.
4) Staker - Doesn't want to play back. Also can't take the Gorilla's.
5) Martin - Completely forgot about him.

Maguire, Merrett and Martin are the only one's who can take the gorilla's week in week out, I think we need to improve our depth there.

not many real gorrilla forwards around these days but yeah patfull also does a very good job on most talls and he has played as a KPD most of the year

 

[CallumBartlett]

not many real gorrilla forwards around these days but yeah patfull also does a very good job on most talls and he has played as a KPD most of the year

Let's say we're playing Hawthorn Merrett goes to Roughead, Maguire to Franklin, Martin to Hale, Patfull to Breust. What do we really have in depth if one of those players are injured? Lester would go to Breust but we really don't have anyone for the big 3.

 

[captainrich]

Let's say we're playing Hawthorn Merrett goes to Roughead, Maguire to Franklin, Martin to Hale, Patfull to Breust. What do we really have in depth if one of those players are injured? Lester would go to Breust but we really don't have anyone for the big 3.

you're forgetting jack gunston but yeah our next option would be mckeever i reckon who i really really hope develops or else we will be in alot of trouble

 

[captainrich]

also just saw on foxsports, mckeever and crisp are getting promoted as rookies ends all talks of PSD unless we are planning on delisting bartlett bit disapointing really that crisp was promoted already could have done with another year on the rookie list but i guess we didnt rate our chances of getting tippett

 

[Grimreepah]

Even if Plowman is considered too short to be a key position player (a theory I don't agree with), his height is still an asset. Clubs love defenders who have the flexibility to play on different sized opponents.

 

[iBeng]

Even if Plowman is considered too short to be a key position player (a theory I don't agree with), his height is still an asset. Clubs love defenders who have the flexibility to play on different sized opponents.

AKA Patful, he can play on talls in a pinch, like Walker etc.

I dont think Menzel should even be on our radar either. Barlett=Menzel as far as play style, and weve just carried him through 2 ACLs, so lets focus on getting him some game time.

Ive seen on some of the Phantom drafts that we may grab Stringer at 8 if hes doesnt go sooner...Think its worth the risk?

 

[Ruse]

Let's say we're playing Hawthorn Merrett goes to Roughead, Maguire to Franklin, Martin to Hale, Patfull to Breust. What do we really have in depth if one of those players are injured? Lester would go to Breust but we really don't have anyone for the big 3.

We can't have 10 kpds on our list just in case 5 get injured its just not viable. If a couple of players get injured then lester, lisle, staker and mckeever can fill in and if necessary clarke will get promoted that's enough talls we're not desperate enough to draft a kpd at pick 8 just yet.

 

[Grimreepah]

Ive seen on some of the Phantom drafts that we may grab Stringer at 8 if hes doesnt go sooner...Think its worth the risk?

Based on what I've read I'm hoping we get Stringer. Happy to take the risk. If not Stringer, then Plowman.

 

[irish]

if you read this thread and look at the phanton drafts one thing is clear !!

no one has any bloody idea what we will get at pick 8 ! everyone is all over the place from one day to the next

and thats not even allowing for the possiblity of tippett at 8. i would have thought the top 10 picks were cemented in stone as always , but not this year if you look at this thread.

and if the crows and demons get shafted for draft picks for naughty behaviour , well i guess that makes it worse

 

[jjami15]

Worse! Hmmmm, better I would assume. 8 to 7, 24 to 22 and 33 to 31. Highly unlikely though, Adelaide most likely to lose pick/s but I would assume that Melb would get a rather large fine.