2012 Draft Discussion

[dlanod]

Roos' son played in the Swans reserves this morning apparently. Both us and Sydney a chance to grab him F/S (not sure if this year or next though). Anyone know anything more on him? I'd be keen to do it just for the fact it would make Roos have to support the club, and then would give us enormous media coverage.

Doesn't qualify for Sydney as a father/son, only us, but I do believe they're signed to the Swans Academy. Given their dad coaches the academy, I can't see him heading up this way but I wouldn't mind us doing a bit of diligence and making an offer and/or bid.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

Doesn't qualify for Sydney as a father/son, only us, but I do believe they're signed to the Swans Academy. Given their dad coaches the academy, I can't see him heading up this way but I wouldn't mind us doing a bit of diligence and making an offer and/or bid.

Academy takes preference over father/son, doesn't it? Damn

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Academy takes preference over father/son, doesn't it? Damn

Either way they have to agree to be taken under either IIRC.

 

[Quigley]

The player has to agree to be a father/son recruit and Roos would knock it back similarly to what Marc Murphy did.

Similar with the academy. I don't think the player has to agree to be an academy player. If they do though then they should have priority.

 

[thoselionslads]

Can they play?

 

[Nick Lions]

He won't come up here, regardless of talent. He'll be a Swan if he's good enough.

I'm in the best available midfielder boat, for this years draft. If we don't trade away our first pick for Tippett, we must get someone who can address our issues with I50's and clearances. It's still a real struggle and the game against Gold Coast showed how much we lack penetration into the 50, without Rich. Hudson, Black and Merrett being our most prolific clearance winners won't cut it in the future.

 

[jjami15]

I'm in the best available INSIDE midfielder boat, for this years draft.

 

[Slax]

I can't see Roos doing the same thing that dog John Murphy did. Anyway pretty sure he isn't eligible this year anyway.

 

[blueiris]

don't be hard on john murphy it was marc deccision that he didn't want to come to us not john's

 

[Bucking Beads]

Maybe Paul's son is sick of his father and would welcome going to Brisbane with open arms. Imagine having to talk about the Swans all the time. I'd be over it as well.

 

[crispy creme]

Inside Footy First Round Prediction

Garlett at pick 8 and McBean at 23.

Interesting bit about the Suns apparently being interested in using their first rounder in the mini draft to pick up Hogan... If they don't pick up consecutive spoons....

Lucky enough to see both McBean and Garlett play live during the carnival games in Victoria. Personally I would be extremely disappointed if we ended up with both/either. Garlett, for all of his attacking qualities, does not appear to have a defensive bone in his body. This is not acceptable in todays game. McBeans performance against VC was far from what you would expect from a player of his reputation and I'm lead to believe that this wasn't a one-off performance. As with the case with all young kids striving to fulfill their dreams, I hope that they prove me wrong - not that they have to - and go on and have great AFL careers.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Lucky enough to see both McBean and Garlett play live during the carnival games in Victoria. Personally I would be extremely disappointed if we ended up with both/either. Garlett, for all of his attacking qualities, does not appear to have a defensive bone in his body. This is not acceptable in todays game. McBeans performance against VC was far from what you would expect from a player of his reputation and I'm lead to believe that this wasn't a one-off performance. As with the case with all young kids striving to fulfill their dreams, I hope that they prove me wrong - not that they have to - and go on and have great AFL careers.

Thanks for your insight crispy. As always, we don't see you round these parts often enough!

 

[blueiris]

Quigs do you really belive we can turn Garlett into a inside midfielder or have you choosen him as a small forward to move Banfield into the midfield are there better inside mids avilable in the draft isn't he more of an outside mid small/forward and we have plenty of those

 

[Offsider]

I don't think that you will turn Gartlett into a genuine inside mid, nor would he play solely as a small forward. At his best he is an inside/outside gun mid who can rack up lots of the ball get clearances, but is more damaging in space and will tear an opposition team apart. He is well worth pick 8 and was in contention for pick 2.

 

[whatboutbob]

A few red herrings already thrown around in the BF phantom trial I reckon.

 

[Quigley]

Garlett could become a GAJ type player. Obviously that is pie in the sky but he has an interesting skill set and definately a high ceiling. GAJ is not a true inside player but he wins the inside ball pretty well. He is probably better when he is receiving though and can use his decision making skills.

 

[POBT]

Garlett could become a GAJ type player. Obviously that is pie in the sky but he has an interesting skill set and definately a high ceiling. GAJ is not a true inside player but he wins the inside ball pretty well. He is probably better when he is receiving though and can use his decision making skills.

He also had the reputation of being a bit of a one way runner at times too, IIRC.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Don't mind Garlett but do we have the support network for him? Only indigenous players on our list are McGrath and Sheldon and neither will be around for much longer.

 

[POBT]

Don't mind Garlett but do we have the support network for him? Only indigenous players on our list are McGrath and Sheldon and neither will be around for much longer.

If we are talking about the fact that he is indigenous, then I think you simply have to back yourself that you can provide the appropriate support. I don't think anyone suggests that there is a one size fits all model for player welfare and so you have to provide the appropriate adjustments for individual players, whether that is because of the culture or whatever. I'd like to think that the Lions would go the extra yard to ensuring that they put in place the right support arrangements for whatever player they draft. In any event, McGrath will probably play next year so there is the mentor factor there. We also have Muzz Davis who has worked extensively with indigenous players.

If we are talking about the fact that Garlett has done some silly things in the past, then I think that is a concern that the recruiters will have to work through. Young, stupid blokes can grow up though.

Purely in a football sense, I'd like Garlett on the list.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

Quigs if you were not able to consider garlett due to indiscretions who would have been your selection?
Crispy given you have seen some live games who impressed you that will likely be available around our selection?

 

[Quigley]

If I was the team I would be taking a very close look at Mason Shaw. Last year it looked like he would be a bargain where we are picking and if there is a reason for his poor Champs then I would still consider him for sure.

Stringer is another who is not playing at him best after coming back from injury. He looked like a star as a 16 year old but he looks a bit out of shape atm. In an AFL club though he could become that star again.

I like Kennedy a lot but I do worry that we have a few too many shortarses in our side all ready. But for pace, goal scoring, skill and general mid and forward ability he would have to be in serious consideration.

For guys I expect to be late risers and who might get talk about going around us come draft day I would mention Jaksch and Haynes. Jaksch as a KP who can play both ends and moves pretty nicely might get consideration particularly. Haynes as a tall wing/flanker who has a touch of class is made to impress late.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Speaking as someone who grew up watching Degrassi Junior High & Degrassi High, I want us to draft Tim Broomehead.

 

[Haso]

Speaking as someone who grew up watching Degrassi Junior High & Degrassi High, I want us to draft Tim Broomehead.

That's aboot the most perfect last name ever.

 

[Dylan12]

If we are talking about the fact that Garlett has done some silly things in the past, then I think that is a concern that the recruiters will have to work through. Young, stupid blokes can grow up though.

I'll prefice my post, by saying that I know absoluetly zilch about Gartlett, but whilst it may be comparing apples to oranges, are you alluding to the fact that the club's opinion may have changed in recruiting young players with a questionable background, noting the club overlooked selecting Darling.

Of course, the simple answer maybe that we were never interested in recruiting Darling, but just interested in your thoughts on why we go down the path of recruiting someone with such questionable qualities.

 

[POBT]

I'll prefice my post, by saying that I know absoluetly zilch about Gartlett, but whilst it may be comparing apples to oranges, are you alluding to the fact that the club's opinion may have changed in recruiting young players with a questionable background, noting the club overlooked selecting Darling.

Of course, the simple answer maybe that we were never interested in recruiting Darling, but just interested in your thoughts on why we go down the path of recruiting someone with such questionable qualities.

I'm saying that you assess each player on a case by case basis. You do your due diligence and, if you believe that the player presents an unacceptable risk, then you pass. If Garlett has turned the corner and we can be confident of that, then we should assess him on his footballing abilities. As a footballer, I like what Garlett would bring to our side. That's probably the limit of what I can add to the debate.

On Darling, no-one knows why we passed. If it was behavioural, then so be it. As has been said repeatedly, we weren't the only club to pass on him. If we shied away, we weren't alone. I do find it very interesting that a player like him slid on draft day, only to be picked up by a WA club and slotting straight into their best side. And, lo and behold, the same thing could well happen to Mason Shaw.

On Garlett, if the club does its investigations and isn't satisfied that Garlett has his head straight, then it will walk away. I've got no problem with that. Equally though, I don't expect the club to automatically discount Garlett for our pick simply because he stuffed up in the past.

We are also a substantially advanced club than what we were at the end of 2010. We have re-built the culture, have strong leadership on and off field and also have several young blokes recruited in the 2008-2010 period who are clearly influencing the direction of the club and what it is to be
a Brisbane Lion. Our culture in 2010 probably couldn't afford to manage a dickhead. Now it might be in a better position.