2012 Draft Discussion

[Nick Lions]

Pretty well got it in a nutshell, I think. It was supposed to give GWS experienced players in return for a prospect a year early, however GWS rorted the system. Can't blame them. Lets have around of applause for the AFL.

 

[dlanod]

Pretty well got it in a nutshell, I think. It was supposed to give GWS experienced players in return for a prospect a year early, however GWS rorted the system. Can't blame them. Lets have around of applause for the AFL.

No club was willing to offer experienced players in return for the MD picks so you can't blame GWS for only getting what was offered. http://www.fiveaa.com.au/audio_stephen-silvagni-on-fire-for-gws_105654 apparently confirms that (interview with SOS, GWS's list manager), but my internet's been flaky so I haven't been able to listen to it myself.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

No club was willing to offer experienced players in return for the MD picks so you can't blame GWS for only getting what was offered. http://www.fiveaa.com.au/audio_stephen-silvagni-on-fire-for-gws_105654 apparently confirms that (interview with SOS, GWS's list manager), but my internet's been flaky so I haven't been able to listen to it myself.

So SOS says, but if you read what the club is saying about how ecstatic they are with their number of first round picks I'm not sure how hard they tried to get senior players.

 

[Banana Boots]

http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/385115/martyn-pips-panther-gun-for-bushies-best/?cs=10
Anyone else for another bushrangers best and fairest?

Edit: sorry, Adelaide has grabbed him, only been playing for three years and has a great engine.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/385115/martyn-pips-panther-gun-for-bushies-best/?cs=10
Anyone else for another bushrangers best and fairest?

Edit: sorry, Adelaide has grabbed him, only been playing for three years and has a great engine.

By what means BB?

 

[dlanod]

So SOS says, but if you read what the club is saying about how ecstatic they are with their number of first round picks I'm not sure how hard they tried to get senior players.

Why wouldn't you be glad to get first round picks, if all you're getting are picks?

If you think about it in terms of value, it makes sense. GWS essentially got two first round picks for both MD picks in 2011 and picks 2 and 3 for them in 2012. Now think about what kind of player swaps clubs for that kind of value and you're looking at the type of player that only swaps clubs if they want to leave. They're not players clubs give up willingly. Judd would be one example slightly above this value, Burgoyne is about the right point and Jolly a bit below. All left their club, their clubs didn't put them up for trade.

 

[Banana Boots]

http://aflnswact.com.au/index.php?i...ws]=298&tx_ttnews[backPid]=4&cHash=fc474e427a

 

[Eons]

http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/385115/martyn-pips-panther-gun-for-bushies-best/?cs=10
Anyone else for another bushrangers best and fairest?

Edit: sorry, Adelaide has grabbed him, only been playing for three years and has a great engine.

That was in 2010 It's 2012 now.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

That was in 2010 It's 2012 now.

Still listed as a Crows rookie

 

[Whabbaghetti]

If a senior player actually wanted to go to an expansion club, surely the could've gone over the three year period as an uncontracted pick anyway. The mini-draft would've only been good for contracted players primarily, and such players are either worth too much to the club - having been put on a 4 year plus contract or not worth the mini-draft picks on offer.

You could suggest that St Kilda could've offered Goddard to GWS last year for a mini-draft pick so he wouldn't walk for nothing next year. That would require: Goddard wanting to sacrifice possible success for money at GWS and GWS deciding that despite being able to get him the following year for nothing, they were willing to give up a minidraft pick which clubs were willing to offer up to pick 4 for (last year).

It was unlikely that there would've been 4 players that would fit the bill for trading for minidraft picks. It turned out there was none.

 

[rusty08]

Guys sorry if this has already been mentioned, but what would the chances be and what do you think it would take to get a low enough pick to land Toumpus? As a club we really struggle to entice quality players. We seem to only get players on their last legs or craving opportunity. With Toumpus, he actually barracks for us, so we could. get a gun that would legitimately want to play for the jumper. Probably dreaming i know.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Guys sorry if this has already been mentioned, but what would the chances be and what do you think it would take to get a low enough pick to land Toumpus? As a club we really struggle to entice quality players. We seem to only get players on their last legs or craving opportunity. With Toumpus, he actually barracks for us, so we could. get a gun that would legitimately want to play for the jumper. Probably dreaming i know.

Put it this way, 8 won't do it.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Zero chance.

 

[luthor]

Guys sorry if this has already been mentioned, but what would the chances be and what do you think it would take to get a low enough pick to land Toumpus? As a club we really struggle to entice quality players. We seem to only get players on their last legs or craving opportunity. With Toumpus, he actually barracks for us, so we could. get a gun that would legitimately want to play for the jumper. Probably dreaming i know.

W'ed have to upgarde a few picks at least. My best guess is that we'd need Pick 3 which GWS now have.

It's hard for me to see how we would package anything that GWS need to prise 3 off them.

Perhaps minds far superior to mine can come up with something creative enough to keep the Toumpas dream alive.

Got a feeling though, that it's pure fantasy

 

[bhys16]

we could get pick 3 if we wanted to.. all about value of what we would give.. if we are talking draft picks alone we could do the 'Mick Ditka (ex NFL coach) approach to drafting" and trade all your draft picks for a top 3 pick if you have singled out a player as 'cant miss'.. also depends how advanced your list re-build is as well, in our case, with heaps of talented youngsters growing together adding 1 more exceptional talent rather than 3 average might be good..

 

[whatboutbob]

If Karny's homesickness is true, do y'all think that will make the Club even more biased against Vic Metro players? I know I mentally discount them as draft options.

 

[Banana Boots]

That was in 2010 It's 2012 now.

well thats embarrasing

 

[pulpdriver]

we could get pick 3 if we wanted to.. all about value of what we would give.. if we are talking draft picks alone we could do the 'Mick Ditka (ex NFL coach) approach to drafting" and trade all your draft picks for a top 3 pick if you have singled out a player as 'cant miss'.. also depends how advanced your list re-build is as well, in our case, with heaps of talented youngsters growing together adding 1 more exceptional talent rather than 3 average might be good..

Can't see all our picks enticing GWS at all. They already have 5 of the top 13. Not sure why they would want to drop their 3rd pick five places down for picks 23 and 30.

 

[bhys16]

Can't see all our picks enticing GWS at all. They already have 5 of the top 13. Not sure why they would want to drop their 3rd pick five places down for picks 23 and 30.

i disagree, i think if offered to them they would take it, after their high end picks they dont have a pick until round 4, still 10 plus holes on their list to fill and staggering those picks would make a lot of sense, they took picks 2 and 3 cos the AFL made them in a convoluted way..

 

[braddsey]

It was unlikely that there would've been 4 players that would fit the bill for trading for minidraft picks. It turned out there was none.

That's based on the missed ruling from the AFL preventing mini-draft picks could be traded for draft picks. If this had been disallowed (with trade's only for players who had been on an AFL list) it would have made things much more interesting, and GWS would not have been able to take the best picks of the draft for 2 years running. Sure they could have pushed for 1st round picks from previous years drafts... but in the end they could only take what the trading club was willing to give - and players who were willing to go as noted above. Instead of the club with the lowest draft picks winning the auction, it would have been about players - which is a different element to quantify. At least it wouldn't have been a foregone conclusion based on draft picks.

What did happen is the bottom 3 sides did a bit of shuffling of draft picks, with GC and Melbourne trading their early picks essentially for the first 2 picks in next years draft. One could argue that this is completely the wrong direction... they are being given early picks because they need more help now, not next year.

 

[Quigley]

As things stand atm GWS will have 25 first round picks on their books come round 1 next year. Fair to say they shouldn't be short of too much talent wise.

 

[POBT]

i disagree, i think if offered to them they would take it, after their high end picks they dont have a pick until round 4, still 10 plus holes on their list to fill and staggering those picks would make a lot of sense, they took picks 2 and 3 cos the AFL made them in a convoluted way..

If it stays as is, I'd be surprised if GWS take a pick after pick 14. I know I wouldn't. The further you go down the draft, the less likely it is that you'll get a long term player. Why waste your time developing two players who might make it when you could spend your time on one player who almost certainly will? As Quigs said, it isn't like depth of talent is going to be a problem.

Between 5 early picks in the ND and their zone selections, if I were GWS I'd pack up and leave draft/trade time with a massive smile on my face.

 

[Haso]

If Karny's homesickness is true, do y'all think that will make the Club even more biased against Vic Metro players? I know I mentally discount them as draft options.

We seem to have a better strike rate with QLD, Vic Country and WA players, for sure. I hadn't noticed it myself, but I think I also mentally grey out Vic Metro players from my list. Hopefully Billy helps to buck the trend.

 

[bhys16]

fair call, just think having the picks near the end of the round and second round would give them alot more leverage with player value and not having to reach for players as currently after 13 they dont get another pick for 45 odd picks.. second ruckman/key def might be there at 23 likely not at 65..

 

[chopperduck]

With so many early picks, they get to pick exactly who they want out of the draft anyway. They wouldn't need to trade in lower picks. If they want a certainly player, they could take them with pick 13, even if they would still be there at 33, it doesn't matter. Having the high picks lets you get exactly who you want from the draft class, not just access to the top 10 talent. They have plenty of talent on their list, they can afford to 'pay overs' for a player that fills a hole they have.

Also must remember that they need to start culling their list in the coming years, no need to stock up on players when they are going to have to cut them again.