2012 Draft Discussion

[dane000]

We are much better placed with 12 & 13, than we are with 8 alone, especially in this draft.

 

[Quigley]

What about this Jake Stringer character??? Have I asked this question before?

I don't really know about character but he is my dark horse for 8. He is the kind of monster midfielder that Vossy has been trying to manufacture. He could be a Watson / Kennedy type mid if there are no recurring problems with his leg.

 

[son of bangas]

Interesting. I would still rather keep pick 8 for a top line player, then use pick 23 for a tall forward. Maybe Shaw will slide, as that is the trend with forwards over the past few drafts

MAybe.....BUT with QUALITY KEY FOWARDS in the such short supply in the draft,
and clubs making over the top offers for dawes ,L hansen, S Gumbelton........I would have no problem using pick 8 to nab Shaw.

it is probaly slighty overs, BUT as I mentioned before this is a midfeilders draft so we should be able to secure a good mid with pick 23.

 

[chopperduck]

Who do you think we should be drafting with our first 3 picks Quigley ? Based on our needs to the talent available at those picks? KPF or mid at pick 8 ?

 

[son of bangas]

I don't really know about character but he is my dark horse for 8. He is the kind of monster midfielder that Vossy has been trying to manufacture. He could be a Watson / Kennedy type mid if there are no recurring problems with his leg.

Is he more midfeild or more CHF ?????

 

[POBT]

Is he more midfeild or more CHF ?????

Same question was asked of Darling. People thought he'd be a bitza. Turns out he is a KPP with a midfielder's engine.

The leg worries me with Stringer. We're still not in the position where we can take punts with early picks.

 

[Bert Man]

Who do you think we should be drafting with our first 3 picks Quigley ? Based on our needs to the talent available at those picks? KPF or mid at pick 8 ?

Im not Quigley I know. At pick 8 we could go Mason Shaw he is a KPF and will be there most probably or Oliver Wines who plays a bit like Moloney IMO. Now that we got Moloney we should go for Shaw at pick 8 and a mid at pick 23 ie. Hrovat, Haynes, Simpson?,. At pick 30 we could go for either a tall or mid as at pick 49 we should go for a tall local boy in Clay Cameron or Jordan Bourke if they go into the draft.

 

[Quigley]

Who do you think we should be drafting with our first 3 picks Quigley ? Based on our needs to the talent available at those picks? KPF or mid at pick 8 ?

I will go with a few guys who I think may be available at each pick.

8 - Garlett, Mayes, Stringer - I would not reach for a KP.
23 - O'Brien, Clurey, Simpson
30 - Rodda, Lonergan, Close

One Qlder who I like and has not been mentioned by anyone that I have noticed is Ryan Johnson. He is a KPD who lacks a little in height but is very good defensively and solid on the skills going forward. Jesse Wallin was also a go who I liked at the Champs who played as a top up player for us and did very nicely. Very quick flanker type.

 

[Chris25]

Pardon the interruption, but I just can't see Brisbane taking Mason Shaw. If they wanted a KPP at #8, I think they'd be much more likely to take Kristian Jaksch. He just seems like a better fit to me.

Otherwise I agree with Quigley. A midfielder at #8 and O'Brien at #23 is probably the way I'd go. And at #8, you could take your pick of whatever type of midfielder you wanted - Dayle Gartlett, Jake Stringer, Nick Vlastuin, Jackson Macrae, Sam Mayes. There is something for everyone in that lot.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Pardon the interruption, but I just can't see Brisbane taking Mason Shaw. If they wanted a KPP at #8, I think they'd be much more likely to take Kristian Jaksch. He just seems like a better fit to me.

Otherwise I agree with Quigley. A midfielder at #8 and O'Brien at #23 is probably the way I'd go. And at #8, you could take your pick of whatever type of midfielder you wanted - Dayle Gartlett, Jake Stringer, Nick Vlastuin, Jackson Macrae, Sam Mayes. There is something for everyone in that lot.

Your draft opinions are certainly welcome Chris!

 

[cotter101]

Who do you think we should be drafting with our first 3 picks Quigley ? Based on our needs to the talent available at those picks? KPF or mid at pick 8 ?

I'm not Quigley and my reputation for giving posters information about possible draftees is no where near and safe to say will never be anywhere near Quigleys.

But I'd be going for a mid at pick 8, I have stated before that I see Shaw sliding to roughly late first round. Would have been good if Shaw got the call up the the seniors.

 

[theteamtobeat]

We are better of trading our pick 8, pick 30 and Banfield for picks 12 and 13. We can get Mason Shaw and the best avaliable mid or KPD. Our list needs KPP for the long term future. When we start pushing for a flag Merrett, Patull and Magurie would be in there 30's and Brown won't be there. If have pick 12 and 13, we better better postion to draft the best avaliable KPP. KPP are really difficult to find.

 

[luthor]

I just don't get the "logic" of trading 8 and anything else to downgrade to 12 and 13.

Seems to be based largely on the premise that 8 is too "high" for Mason Shaw or some other "good" (but not "really good" KPP)..... so we better downgrade so we feel better about picking him with a lower pick.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but that seems to be the "logic"

 

[Simba Moyo]

Would the Tiges take Karny & Banfield + pick 30 for pick 9? Having picks 8 and 9 puts us in more of a driving position. Might be able use those/ possible player combination to go for a pick 2 or picks 12 & 13.

This is all happening at Hypothetical Village.

 

[theteamtobeat]

No, if we downgrade our picks, we get two talented kids. Last year if the Lions went on the basis on drafting the best avaliable kids then we would have got Toby Greene with our pick 8 and Sam Docherty with our pick 12. Execpt we went on our needs basis which we drafted Billy Longer. The same thing happen in 2010, Kerr was going to draft either Heppel or Polec. Execpt Kerr drafted Polec on needs Basis during the time and not on best avaliable. I'm just saying if we have picks 12 and 13 we can draft the two best avaliable kids hear, whether it is mids, KPP's, Rucks, etc. We still get two talented kids. In the 2008 draft, Gubby went for the best avaliable kids, with the picks we had and we drafted Rich, Redden, Rockliff, Banfield, etc. Gubby nailed that draft.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Would the Tiges take Karny & Banfield + pick 30 for pick 9? Having picks 8 and 9 puts us in more of a driving position. Might be able use those/ possible player combination to go for a pick 2 or picks 12 & 13.

This is all happening at Hypothetical Village.

No they only like to trade when they are getting something for nothing.

 

[chopperduck]

No, if we downgrade our picks, we get two talented kids. Last year if the Lions went on the basis on drafting the best avaliable kids then we would have got Toby Greene with our pick 8 and Sam Docherty with our pick 12. Execpt we went on our needs basis which we drafted Billy Longer. The same thing happen in 2010, Kerr was going to draft either Heppel or Polec. Execpt Kerr drafted Polec on needs Basis during the time and not on best avaliable. I'm just saying if we have picks 12 and 13 we can draft the two best avaliable kids hear, whether it is mids, KPP's, Rucks, etc. We still get two talented kids. In the 2008 draft, Gubby went for the best avaliable kids, with the picks we had and we drafted Rich, Redden, Rockliff, Banfield, etc. Gubby nailed that draft.

That is entirely your opinion. You have no idea the reasons for who Kerr drafted. In fact, I'm pretty sure we got Longer because he was best available (according to our recruiters ratings, not BF). We didn't think he was still going to be there, but he was do we took him.

Having picks 12 snd 13 is not any better, I'd rather 8 to make sure we get a pick from the top talent, not just the left overs. Draft picks are far from sure things, we are not guaranteed anything at 12 and 13, if anyone would even do that trade.

 

[luthor]

Would the Tiges take Karny & Banfield + pick 30 for pick 9? Having picks 8 and 9 puts us in more of a driving position. Might be able use those/ possible player combination to go for a pick 2 or picks 12 & 13.

This is all happening at Hypothetical Village.

In this hypothetical, the nett result is that we would be trading Picks 8 and 30 plus Karnezis plus Banfield for

either

a) just pick 2 or

b) picks 12 and 13

Crazy man

 

[Fatcat08]

No, if we downgrade our picks, we get two talented kids. Last year if the Lions went on the basis on drafting the best avaliable kids then we would have got Toby Greene with our pick 8 and Sam Docherty with our pick 12. Execpt we went on our needs basis which we drafted Billy Longer. The same thing happen in 2010, Kerr was going to draft either Heppel or Polec. Execpt Kerr drafted Polec on needs Basis during the time and not on best avaliable. I'm just saying if we have picks 12 and 13 we can draft the two best avaliable kids hear, whether it is mids, KPP's, Rucks, etc. We still get two talented kids. In the 2008 draft, Gubby went for the best avaliable kids, with the picks we had and we drafted Rich, Redden, Rockliff, Banfield, etc. Gubby nailed that draft.

Think we need to get some facts straight here. Hadley has been in charge of all drafting since 2008 onwards not Kerr or gubby. They have been our list managers but not in charge of drafting. Seems strange that you have such strong opinions on out drafting but have no idea who has been in charge of that part of out list management

The rest is a bit subjective but the views below were pretty widely held leading into each draft

2008 - rich was certainly best available however redden at least was a massive smokey where he was taken.

2010 - until the back end of the tac cup season heppel was widely considered to be a second round pick. He firmed up closer to draft time but in most circles was still considered below polec.

2011 - Greene was thought to be a later first round pick by many whereas longer was rated top 10 by most. Hadley actually said they were surprised longer was there and took him as he was best available. He wasn't in their original plans.

We do have a history of taking best available with out early picks

Finally I find it a bit strange that you're advocating best available yet trying to downgrade our pick which is against the whole best available premise. I can understand some of the reasoning behind this however as it does give us two higher picks. My only concern with this is that the top 8-10 players in the draft are considered to be very good, however after that the next 20 or so picks become very subjective and pretty even. I think if we want to get a potentially elite talent and best available then we should hold onto pick 8 or even try to upgrade.

If we are looking to draft for needs instead then trying to grab 2 slightly lower picks would be the better option

 

[Bert Man]

Would the Tiges take Karny & Banfield + pick 30 for pick 9? Having picks 8 and 9 puts us in more of a driving position. Might be able use those/ possible player combination to go for a pick 2 or picks 12 & 13.

This is all happening at Hypothetical Village.

Karnezis + pick 23 + pick 30 for pick 9 and pick 50

 

[Simba Moyo]

Karnezis + pick 23 + pick 30 for pick 9 and pick 50

That works. I hate the idea of losing Karnezis but if he is seriously considering leaving I do like the sound of having pick 8 & 9.

 

[Karnezis_13]

That works. I hate the idea of losing Karnezis but if he is seriously considering leaving I do like the sound of having pick 8 & 9.

I hate the idea of losing Karnezis also.
But for Pick 8 and 9 to be reunited ... well ... ok

 

[JasRulz63]

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/76/default.aspx#playvideo#playvideo

That time of year again where watching a 3 minute video makes any potential draftee worth a first round pick. Just search their names in the search box, and become a draft expert (pinched this off D+T)

 

[footymaad]

One Qlder who I like and has not been mentioned by anyone that I have noticed is Ryan Johnson. He is a KPD who lacks a little in height but is very good defensively and solid on the skills going forward. Jesse Wallin was also a go who I liked at the Champs who played as a top up player for us and did very nicely. Very quick flanker type.

In terms of Qlders, outside of the high profile group of Boston, Cameron and Bourke - a few others who might be a chance for rookie spots. What are the rules for Qld rookies this year?- alternate selections with Gold Coast or based on academy areas (or is this only from next year?).

Wallin interesting one - overage this yr in state 18's as injured last yr and did well there and in NEAFL but didn't get invited to state screening. Johnson also 19 - played forward and back in state 18's and at Morningside. He's over 190 cm - you didn't mean Wyld as somewhat shorter (188) KPD - played all 5 state games and several NEAFL games deep defence and did go to state screening. Wardle also 188 and went to state screening - played for Qld in defence,forward and in ruck, but NEAFL for Labrador mainly in defence.

 

[cotter101]

Im not Quigley I know. At pick 8 we could go Mason Shaw he is a KPF and will be there most probably or Oliver Wines who plays a bit like Moloney IMO. Now that we got Moloney we should go for Shaw at pick 8 and a mid at pick 23 ie. Hrovat, Haynes, Simpson?,. At pick 30 we could go for either a tall or mid as at pick 49 we should go for a tall local boy in Clay Cameron or Jordan Bourke if they go into the draft.

I'd say taking Shaw at 8 is a bit of a reach. As I have stated before I would much rather take a mid at 8 and go for O'Brien at 23 who has an incredibly high potential level as a CHF.