2012 Draft Discussion

[jackess]

Keeping that mo would be a rare bad decision from the Doctor.

 

[whatboutbob]

Was really interesting to hear his thoughts on how Paparone will be utilised. Makes me excited. His running capacity could enable him to be really effective as that running marking linkman. Could be a real point of difference in our team and a real weapon, especially later in games.

I'm excited.

Thought it interesting too that they've tagged Staker for that role for the next couple of years.

 

[Hollow Knight]

It's going to be entertaining watching Paparone develop in the reserves. Most blokes will simply be unable to go with him by the fourth quarter...

Looking forward to "Paparowned" entering our vernacular.

 

[spotthedog1]

Looks good in a Lions guernsey albeit the wrong guernsey

Not attacking you Sean - there have been a few doing this recently, usually in relation to the 1-10 photo at the draft - but can I ask that if people want to keep having a dig at the guernsey/logo, that they do it on the other thread? There is a thread specifically designed for whining about the logo/guernsey. Personally, I don't care about the logo, and there is absolutely no way that the club would change back, because then it would only restart the entire whinging and whining in the future, the next time they tried to change the logo, and the club isn't stupid enough to do that. If anyone wants to whinge about it anyway, that's their prerogative, but can I please ask that this is done in the correct thread, as I am sick of seeing it in the draft thread.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Not attacking you Sean - there have been a few doing this recently, usually in relation to the 1-10 photo at the draft - but can I ask that if people want to keep having a dig at the guernsey/logo, that they do it on the other thread?

I am pretty sure Sean was referring to the fact that the jumper has our old sponsors on it, thus the attempt to cover the BOQ logo with the footy.

 

[spotthedog1]

I am pretty sure Sean was referring to the fact that the jumper has our old sponsors on it, thus the attempt to cover the BOQ logo with the footy.

Ah. Well, that would be my bad then... Whoops! Can you see how annoyed it makes me - even the thought that it COULD be to do with that sends me ranting

 

[karix]

Game. Set. Match. TBD. I'm so glad that happened to someone else and not me spotthedog1

 

[spotthedog1]

Took me a second there - Game, Set, Match 'To Be determined'? No, I think I got pretty owned by The Brown Dog... ahhhh. right.

Trust me to pick the wrong post to have the whinge at after ignoring the last few jabs, and then make it a nice big rant, not a simple "BTW - jumper issues belong in X thread". In my defence: everybody pretend it didn't happen...

 

[Hollow Knight]

Took me a second there - Game, Set, Match 'To Be determined'? No, I think I got pretty owned by The Brown Dog... ahhhh. right.

Trust me to pick the wrong post to have the whinge at after ignoring the last few jabs, and then make it a nice big rant, not a simple "BTW - jumper issues belong in X thread". In my defence: everybody pretend it didn't happen...

All good. We've all misinterpreted posts and made **** of ourselves at times. The perils of the Internet age.

 

[Apex61]

Was really interesting to hear his thoughts on how Paparone will be utilised. Makes me excited. His running capacity could enable him to be really effective as that running marking linkman. Could be a good point of difference in our team and a real weapon, especially later in games.

Clearly he is seen more as a Riewoldt style, far-ranging type CHF rather than a Browny type who stays a little closer to home.

I'm excited.

Big Kev excited ?

 

[Morgs_]

Ah. Well, that would be my bad then... Whoops! Can you see how annoyed it makes me - even the thought that it COULD be to do with that sends me ranting

Sorry if I didn't clarify myself correctly spot. Apologies all round.

 

[KeSter]

Terry Wallace ( more of a Walldud if you ask me) says: I thought they (sic Brisbane) had a pretty average night. From a senior point of view they have added key forwards in Lisle and Stef Martin. They tried to ensure last night that life after Jonathan Brown is covered by picking up at No.23 Marco Paparone (193cm) and pick No.32 Michael Close (195cm) who are both key forwards but certainly no J. Brown's in my opinion. I am not a Sam Mayes fan. The mid-forward has undoubted natural flair and skill but at pick eight I will wait to see if he can tough it out in the hostile AFL environment.​

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http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/tra...-draft-questions/story-fna8vsun-1226522176262​

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This can only mean one thing, we did AWESOME!​

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One of my ex's is a life long doggies girl and she detests him, says that club is still getting over being Wallaced.​

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Mr "I have won 2 of 7 finals my teams played in". Statistics like that are never wrong.​

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[notliondown]

I seem to be the serial defender of Lester but I haven't seen any evidence in the past 2 years that suggests that he is less adept at clearances than Harwood. The latter might have spent time at the contest as a junior footballer but we're yet to see it at senior level. Lester had 4 and 5 clearance games last year - hardly completely ineffective. Meanwhile, Harwood was playing on a half back flank. I reckon that is more relevant form than what they each did in the under 18s comp. Now, I suspect that Lester's stint in the middle was just us much about his physical maturity, understanding of the gameplan and endurance but that just demonstrates to me the gap between him and the others being spoken of as more natural clearance players.

However, I reckon the coaching staff agree with you about a big body at the contest.

I also agree with you about taking an overly negative approach to clearances. I would say though that someone like Redden took a fair while this year to display the see ball, get ball approach that the best contest mids have.

I reckon you're onto something with both of those statements... and they could both be applied to 4 or 5 players I'd reckon.

I think sometimes we tend to think that because we saw some improvement this year that positions are being bedded down but to be honest I think this will be another year where we see players swung through various positions in a bid to broaden their skill base. I think Vossy inherited that trait from Mathews - that to be great at once position you should be good at all - or at least understand it in a bid to help the player who is a full time role player.

I'm honestly not sure you could predict who our ultimate midfield will be... like you I can see Lester play a bigger role but the same could be said for Harwood too... his bulk and ability to play low appeals.

Stand by for some strange positioning I'd guess for the next season while we bed down the Maloneys, Stakers and Martins who really are now newcomers to our style of play and then add in the new found roles of Bewick and Rocky as well as the need to balance the Redden, Rich and Black core.

The upside of Mayes and Polec and Lester and Crisp and the younger brigade is the ability to have options for Blackies inevitable slow down. But the downside of Mayes and Polec and Lester and Crisp and the younger brigade is the ability to have options for Blackies inevitable slow down too.

 

[Haso]

Draft wrap vid is up on youtube now for those who havent seen it

 

[Skoob]

Draft Interview of Sam Mayes

Look at his big broad smile when he says the names of Brown, Black, Voss.
Bring on 2013 already!!

Yep. Not sure at that age he would be an accomplished bull shitter so I'll take him at his word that he is happy to be here.

 

[Skoob]

Surely a club out there is willing to back themselves in sorting out my off-board issues.

Yeah but it's those secret, brown paper bag payments you demand. Unless you're happy with Carlton or Adelaide mate, you're shit outa luck.

 

[notliondown]

The coverage of Sam today doesn't paint a guy who regrets hearing his name being called out by the Brisbane Lions, to me at least anyways.

It really paints a picture of a genuinely nervous young man who perhaps would prefer to let his football do the talking not his mouth. No matter how gifted you are being the centre of attention and having cameras and phones and recorders shoved in your face after just finishing school must come as a hell of a shock - even if you were half expecting it.

The talk of his family, the candid smiling laughing pics when hes beside his drafted mates and his demeanor during the interviews all make me think he's a genuine, young, well mannered country kid with his head screwed on and his values pretty well sorted... the perfect fit for the no dickheads policy!

And given all the talk of doom and gloom about Marco last night, those concerned can take heart from his interview no question. He knew he was a good chance to come our way, and by the sounds had prepared for it. It seems like hes already preparing to repay the faith the selectors had in calling him so early.

I really cant help but think Kerr and co place far far more importance on the interview and psych side than we think or give them credit for, and thats the stuff that really explains why some of us never see the picks coming.

 

[notliondown]

Surely a club out there is willing to back themselves in sorting out my off-board issues.

Pretty sure it wont be us mate... look at what happened the last time we thought we could sort someone one out... that got all sorts of ugly

Best pack your bags... Kevins got your bed all smoothed out beside Kurts

 

[PattyKwasagun]

In the past, you used to have to wait 3-4 years to see if your drafting for a particular year was a success. Thanks to the list manager, we can now find out the very next day. What a draft it was for us

I was particularly happy with Adelaide's efforts.

More pain ahead for Crows fans sadly.

 

[Dylan12]

Terry Wallace ( more of a Walldud if you ask me) says: I thought they (sic Brisbane) had a pretty average night. From a senior point of view they have added key forwards in Lisle and Stef Martin. They tried to ensure last night that life after Jonathan Brown is covered by picking up at No.23 Marco Paparone (193cm) and pick No.32 Michael Close (195cm) who are both key forwards but certainly no J. Brown's in my opinion. I am not a Sam Mayes fan. The mid-forward has undoubted natural flair and skill but at pick eight I will wait to see if he can tough it out in the hostile AFL environment.

Each to their own really, but I sadly agree with Wallace's comments on this occasion.

I have been left scratching my head since last night questioning the same thing. I'm not going to knock the lads we brought in yesterday, but to me it seems, out of fear of Brown's departure and the fact we missed out on Hogan, that we are loading up on pretty much the same sized player in the hope that 'one' may stand up as his replacement. We brought in Lisle and Longer (to a lesser extent, albeit a ruckman) last year and then brought in Martin and drafted Paprone and Close who are all pretty similar. Sure one may stand up, but gee, to bring in 5 very similar players who you wouldn't classify as elite is pretty short-sighted in my opinion. In my opinion, this recent strategy smacks of paranoia and suggests we don't trust that any one of the recent additions (Lisle, Longer, Martin, Paparone and Close) is capable, so therefore bring in as many as possible and cross our fingers that at least one will step up.

Like others have said, I would have felt a whole lot better about how we performed at the draft had the types of players drafted varied, with reference to the similarities between Paporone and Close after also brining in Martin and Lisle.

As for Mayes. I'm not excited. Reminds me of Polec too much, being that soft outside player without a mature hard body. And before you level all sorts of attacks my way, as is the custom around here, I don't mean 'soft' in the sense that he blatantly shirks the contest. I was really hoping Port would go local so that we got Wines, the type of physical and agressive player I like and suspect Mayes is not. To be honest, I would have rathered a guy like Hrovat over Mayes., but happy to cut him some slack and hope, like the others, prove me completely wrong.

But, that being said, I 100% agree with Wallace.

 

[Grimreepah]

Terry Wallace ( more of a Walldud if you ask me) says: I thought they (sic Brisbane) had a pretty average night. From a senior point of view they have added key forwards in Lisle and Stef Martin. They tried to ensure last night that life after Jonathan Brown is covered by picking up at No.23 Marco Paparone (193cm) and pick No.32 Michael Close (195cm) who are both key forwards but certainly no J. Brown's in my opinion. I am not a Sam Mayes fan. The mid-forward has undoubted natural flair and skill but at pick eight I will wait to see if he can tough it out in the hostile AFL environment.​

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http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/tra...-draft-questions/story-fna8vsun-1226522176262​

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This can only mean one thing, we did AWESOME!​

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One of my ex's is a life long doggies girl and she detests him, says that club is still getting over getting Wallaced.​

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Mr "I have won 2 of 7 finals my teams played in". Statistics like that are never wrong.

I wonder if Terry poo poos everything we do because we have a small supporter base, and so are an easy target.

 

[ZoBlitz]

I wonder if Terry poo poos everything we do because we have a small supporter base, and so are an easy target.

I think it's more that he literally has no idea.

 

[KeSter]

Each to their own really, but I sadly agree with Wallace's comments on this occasion.

I have been left scratching my head since last night questioning the same thing. I'm not going to knock the lads we brought in yesterday, but to me it seems, out of fear of Brown's departure and the fact we missed out on Hogan, that we are loading up on pretty much the same sized player in the hope that 'one' may stand up as his replacement. We brought in Lisle and Longer (to a lesser extent, albeit a ruckman) last year and then brought in Martin and drafted Paprone and Close who are all pretty similar. Sure one may stand up, but gee, to bring in 5 very similar players who you wouldn't classify as elite is pretty short-sighted in my opinion. In my opinion, this recent strategy smacks of paranoia and suggests we don't trust that any one of the recent additions (Lisle, Longer, Martin, Paparone and Close) is capable, so therefore bring in as many as possible and cross our fingers that at least one will step up.

Like others have said, I would have felt a whole lot better about how we performed at the draft had the types of players drafted varied, with reference to the similarities between Paporone and Close after also brining in Martin and Lisle.

As for Mayes. I'm not excited. Reminds me of Polec too much, being that soft outside player without a mature hard body. And before you level all sorts of attacks my way, as is the custom around here, I don't mean 'soft' in the sense that he blatantly shirks the contest. I was really hoping Port would go local so that we got Wines, the type of physical and agressive player I like and suspect Mayes is not. To be honest, I would have rathered a guy like Hrovat over Mayes., but happy to cut him some slack and hope, like the others, prove me completely wrong.

But, that being said, I 100% agree with Wallace.

Ok Terry, knew you would be lurking here somewhere

 

[dlanod]

Each to their own really, but I sadly agree with Wallace's comments on this occasion.

I have been left scratching my head since last night questioning the same thing. I'm not going to knock the lads we brought in yesterday, but to me it seems, out of fear of Brown's departure and the fact we missed out on Hogan, that we are loading up on pretty much the same sized player in the hope that 'one' may stand up as his replacement. We brought in Lisle and Longer (to a lesser extent, albeit a ruckman) last year and then brought in Martin and drafted Paprone and Close who are all pretty similar. Sure one may stand up, but gee, to bring in 5 very similar players who you wouldn't classify as elite is pretty short-sighted in my opinion. In my opinion, this recent strategy smacks of paranoia and suggests we don't trust that any one of the recent additions (Lisle, Longer, Martin, Paparone and Close) is capable, so therefore bring in as many as possible and cross our fingers that at least one will step up.

Like others have said, I would have felt a whole lot better about how we performed at the draft had the types of players drafted varied, with reference to the similarities between Paporone and Close after also brining in Martin and Lisle.

As for Mayes. I'm not excited. Reminds me of Polec too much, being that soft outside player without a mature hard body. And before you level all sorts of attacks my way, as is the custom around here, I don't mean 'soft' in the sense that he blatantly shirks the contest. I was really hoping Port would go local so that we got Wines, the type of physical and agressive player I like and suspect Mayes is not. To be honest, I would have rathered a guy like Hrovat over Mayes., but happy to cut him some slack and hope, like the others, prove me completely wrong.

But, that being said, I 100% agree with Wallace.

I'd suggest just having a look at the footage in the draft video. I'd still rather Menzel over Mayes, but Mayes definitely doesn't look soft by any means. It also lets you see the massive differences between Paparone and Close. Paparone is a very similar body shape and playing style to Staker. Tall but not big bodied. Long running and lean. Close is very different - his basic attributes are similar (can run, tall) but he has a much bigger body for it and shows some great physicality, something we are lacking in all our forward prospects at the moment. He reminds me a bit of a Dawes or a Kennedy, a big body with the ability to use it.

I'm not sold on drafting forwards (or defenders) in the hope they become midfielders, but it does feel like we suffered a bit from having an "in between" pick - we couldn't get a uniformly agreed top talent, but we couldn't get "value". I'm not quite sure how Richmond gets lauded for Vlastuin but we get talked down for Mayes.

 

[Toffee Lion]

As for Mayes. I'm not excited. Reminds me of Polec too much, being that soft outside player without a mature hard body. And before you level all sorts of attacks my way, as is the custom around here, I don't mean 'soft' in the sense that he blatantly shirks the contest. I was really hoping Port would go local so that we got Wines, the type of physical and agressive player I like and suspect Mayes is not. To be honest, I would have rathered a guy like Hrovat over Mayes., but happy to cut him some slack and hope, like the others, prove me completely wrong.

But, that being said, I 100% agree with Wallace.

I'm excited about Mayes but I like your comparison to Polec.

Polec will be my whipping boy for 2013 (Even over Polka), He just has way to much talent and needs to take the next step already for crying out loud!

Since Mayes will probably start in the forward line unlike Polec, I'm hoping that will make his adjustment to AFL standard easier and he can grow from there.