Opinion 2012 draft thread.

[Silvagnis]

I have liked the idea of Vlastuin coming into our midfield. If he is as good as they say then in a couple of years, he will be playing the same role to Murphy as Murphy is playing to Judd.

Add in that he is as hard as a cats head then it is all good as well

Don't quote me on this, but I doubt that Vlastuin is going to be up that good. THEY say the likes of Whitfield, O'Meara, Crouch and Toumpas would be the best mids in this draft.

 

[Squida25]

Dawes, Clarke, Reimers, Connors, the list of spuds that are linked to us grows...

I miss those times when Kerr and O`Keefe were seemingly on the radar. Was never going to happen, but at least it never made me crawl under the table into the fetal position waiting for it to be over.

got both of them!

 

[Dramoth]

got both of them!

but we still only have O'Keeffe left...

 

[zeeCFC]

got both of them!

We also nabbed Mitchell and Watson

 

[Blue Flame]

We also nabbed Mitchell and Watson

Set for the midfield of the century...
Oh, hmm...
Well, in my defence, I can see ROK being a player that MM values extremely highly.

 

[pepalenko]

Callum Twomey's Phantom Draft

11. Carlton - Kristian Jaksch
Height: 194cm
Weight: 83kg
DOB: 07/10/94
Club: Oakleigh Chargers
Draft range: 5-12
Many scouts see Jaksch as the best key position player of this draft behind Daniher, and he lands in Carlton's lap. With Jarrad Waite's injury issues, and a dependence on speedy pair Jeff Garlett and Eddie Betts for goals, Jaksch could help the Blues up forward. Importantly, he can also offer some structure in defence. Although predominantly a forward - he booted six goals against Tasmania for Vic Metro - Jaksch also grew as a defender towards the end of the year. His efforts at both ends of the ground were crucial to guiding the Oakleigh Chargers to their TAC Cup premiership. Jaksch is a strong overhead mark, has excellent foot skills for a big man, and is agile when the ball hits the ground.

In the mix: Brisbane Lions. He is one of three - along with Mayes and Macrae - in contention at pick eight.

Just can't get excited for Jaksch

And Stringer to get all the way to 18? Can't see it.

 

[Jeremias]

Just can't get excited for Jaksch

He's not my personal preference, but if we pick Jaksch it would be because we believe him to be the best available talent at our selection.

I can live with that.

Could be a replacement for Waite when he hangs up the boots.

 

[BROWN20]

I have liked the idea of Vlastuin coming into our midfield. If he is as good as they say then in a couple of years, he will be playing the same role to Murphy as Murphy is playing to Judd.

Add in that he is as hard as a cats head then it is all good as well

I don't see Vlastuin has the class & skills of Murphy, certainly known for the hard edge to his game, but not sure he would near Murphy's class, personally thinking Mayes/Macrae are better options.

 

[Jeremias]

Further reading of Twomey's phantom draft on the AFL website indicates we're interested in Jason Ashby at pick 36. Essendon and Richmond also reported to have interest in him at their selections around that mark.

Have had a look at a few of the more reputable phantom drafts on BF, and Ashby seems to be rated more as a later selection, rather than 2nd round. Only one rates Ashby as a 2nd round pick. However Twomey would have some inside word and as such his opinions hold significantly more weight than the "draft experts" on here.

Can't wait for the reaction when if we draft another half back

 

[BlackGoanna]

Jaksch. No thanks... I am in the mindset 'do not pick key positions in the first round unless you have a buddy or reiwoldt'.

Alot of development and risk. We already have a similar player in Henderson who took 5 years to develop. Would rather take a punt on a key position player with our 2nd or 3rd pick.

Potential sliders to 11. Looking for something that will add to our list

1. Mcrae offers something we don't have. composed midfielder with a sidestep, can create space and provide link, run and carry.
2. Mayes Again the type we don't have. Nice kick some X factor, goal kicking half forward who provides versatility

If both these boys are gone (which is likely) my next preferences would be

3. Simpson Could be anything. Will provide instant line breaking ability, run and carry. Imagine Yarran and Simpson on the wings
4. Kennedy Clever little midfielder with a great burst of speed and beautiful long kick.

I am hoping either Mcrae or Mayes slide. If not would be OK with either of the other 2.

Pick 36 gets a bit more interesting. Very hard to plot out who might be available, who might slide, etc.

 

[Sin City]

And Stringer to get all the way to 18? Can't see it.

Why not?

 

[Blue and Silver]

I hate that his explanation is essentially: They need a key forward.

Jaksch won't be playing AFL footy for years, and when he does I can't shake the feeling that his ceiling is somewhere around Kositzche.

 

[bluejones]

I hate that his explanation is essentially: They need a key forward.

Jaksch won't be playing AFL footy for years, and when he does I can't shake the feeling that his ceiling is somewhere around Kositzche.

Not to mention the fact we already have Casboult, Mitchell, McCarthy and Rowe.

 

[LemmingMaster]

I've liked Jaksch for a while now, just getting cold feet. Looking back at his vision and he double grabs marks a few times which is not always the best. Hopefully if we pick him I am wrong with my late in the piece worries.

Stringer dropping is not a shock, the kid is still limping around the place, that will always create worries. Garlett has a few off field issues, so that is likely to see him drop out of the top 15.

 

[Jeremias]

I hate that his explanation is essentially: They need a key forward.

You are right that it is a rather simplistic way of looking at things, especially when the club in question is reknowned for going with the best available talent at their first selection. However that's the way it goes with these things, such facts very often don't come under any sort of consideration.

Jaksch won't be playing AFL footy for years, and when he does I can't shake the feeling that his ceiling is somewhere around Kositzche.

With regards to Jaksch playing AFL in year 1, you may well be right but there's no way of knowing that at the moment. Most talls do take a while, but some are capable of playing with the big boys in their first season - Jack Darling and Jackson Paine are recent examples of that.

If his Jaksch's ceiling is perceived to be somewhere around Koschitzke's, I'd be thrilled. Just as long as he doesn't suffer the same injuries as Kosi has over his career.

 

[Sin City]

Not to mention the fact we already have Casboult, Mitchell, McCarthy and Rowe.

Exactly.

Been told he's a very strong chance to go to Brisbane anyway.

 

[zeeCFC]

Do Taylor Garner, Josh Simpson and Nathan Hrovat come into serious consideration?

 

[Omega Blue]

after that article in the age it makes me want stringer.... ARGH.... brain aneurysm

 

[Jeremias]

Not to mention the fact we already have Casboult, Mitchell, McCarthy and Rowe.

How many of them can we definitively say will, or have, made the grade?

Believe me when I say that I have high hopes for all of them, but the reality is there are question marks surrounding all of them, some larger than others.

Casboult had a huge impact in the second half of last season. He showed some outstanding signs, particularly as a forward, but I'm not convinced he's ready to be a permanent AFL forward.

Mitchell has played 1 game, and has spent the majority of his time at the club recovering from his injured shoulders. Enormously talented but we're yet to see if that translates to being a quality AFL footballer.

McCarthy, like Mitchell, has played just the one game. Question marks remain as to whether he's a key position player, or if he's more suited to a role on a flank.

Rowe is coming from a long way back. He's now 25 years old (happy birthday for yesterday!) and has done nothing to suggest he's got what it takes to play at AFL level. Obviously he also had an exceptionally difficult year with his cancer battle. I have extreme doubts as to his longevity in the game, but from what we've seen it can be said that if he fails it won't be due to a lack of effort.

As I've said a number of times now, Jaksch is not my preferred option but if he's judged to be the best talent available at pick 11 then so be it. I most certainly wouldn't be passing on him and justifying it by putting forward the list of above names.

 

[Blue and Silver]

You are right that it is a rather simplistic way of looking at things, especially when the club in question is reknowned for going with the best available talent at their first selection. However that's the way it goes with these things, such facts very often don't come under any sort of consideration.



With regards to Jaksch playing AFL in year 1, you may well be right but there's no way of knowing that at the moment. Most talls do take a while, but some are capable of playing with the big boys in their first season - Jack Darling and Jackson Paine are recent examples of that.

If his Jaksch's ceiling is perceived to be somewhere around Koschitzke's, I'd be thrilled. Just as long as he doesn't suffer the same injuries as Kosi has over his career.

I meant Kosi performance not talent.

He's a pretty skinny kid who relies on his strong overhead marking and leads to get the ball. His best game was against Tasmania without Daniher, which opens the dual question, does he need to be no. 1? and can he hold that at AFL?

I think he'd be a better defender honestly

 

[inyourcool]

And if that is the reason, then have we already decided that the likes of Mitchell, Watson, Casboult, McCarthy & Rowe are going to cut it? Doesn't make sense...

 

[zeeCFC]

Sam Rowe is essentially a new draft pick and Walker/Henderson are adequate tall forwards at the very least. A small defender to release Yarran or insurance for Tuohy's form would have good impact but a midfielder is just the obvious choice.

 

[Buddy33]

any interests in membrey?

 

[Jeremias]

And if that is the reason, then have we already decided that the likes of Mitchell, Watson, Casboult, McCarthy & Rowe are going to cut it? Doesn't make sense...

Of course not. What's the issue with attempting to further cover our bases in case a number of the abovementioned players are unable to make the grade?

Depth is a wonderful thing to have. Especially when you get a year where the squad gets decimated by injuries, as we experienced this year.

For all his talent, Waite has shown himself to be incapable of playing out a full season, be it due to injury or suspension. He's not getting any younger and won't be with us for too much longer. Jamison too has not been able to string a full season together, due to injuries. We have to continue to plan for life without these players.

Will Jaksch definitely make the grade?

Either we back the boys we have or we should have endeavoured to trade some of them.

If only two of the grouping Watson, McCarthy, Hampson, Casboult, Mitchell or Rowe come on strong enough to hold down a key position post, then we should be O.K. with Jamison, Henderson and Waite around for a few years yet.
I know that the club has high hopes for McCarthy and Mitchell, so let's develop them as far as we can.

Why do people assume that picking another key position player equates to not having faith in the current crop?

The club has high hopes for all of Watson, Casboult, Mitchell, McCarthy and Rowe, and I echo those sentiments. However that's no guarantee that things are going to progress as we believe they should. How many can say they saw Rowe's cancer battle coming? For all we know, half of these players may not develop into quality AFL footballers.

We don't know if Jaksch is going to make the grade, but that's no reason not to pick him. There are no guarantees with this sort of thing, there never are. Can we definitively say that Whitfield or any other junior expected to be selected early will make the grade? No, we can't. Of course odds are in their favour, but things don't always turn out as we believe they should.

Picking a player like Jaksch in the draft doesn't compromise the development of McCarthy, Mitchell or any other young tall prospect on our list, as you seem to be suggesting.

 

[BROWN20]

Will Jaksch definitely make the grade?

Either we back the boys we have or we should have endeavoured to trade some of them.

If only two of the grouping Watson, McCarthy, Hampson, Casboult, Mitchell or Rowe come on strong enough to hold down a key position post, then we should be O.K. with Jamison, Henderson and Waite around for a few years yet.
I know that the club has high hopes for McCarthy and Mitchell, so let's develop them as far as we can.

Agree with Jeremias on this, most of our talls have question marks against them, although we are more likely to end up with a Macrae/Mayes type it would not surprise if we picked Jaksch, he is clearly rated one of the better talls in the draft and looks a good replacement for Waite in a couple of years.