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Opinion 2012 draft thread.

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Tanks_Alot said:
How is it effectively 2 first round picks? Lucas + SECOND rounder was what I said.

We will not give up our first rounder if we have any brains.
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My mistake - thought i read 1st round and lucas.

As for trading our 1st for Caddy - why not? We still get a young, highly rated midfielder with our 1st pick - but with the benefit of 2 years of development and bulk he can hopefully step in from round 1. The additional 2 years of development could be important if we want to bounce back and challenge next year .
 
TheGeneral said:
The old rock soup trade. Add another ingredients to a rock and you can make a lovely soup. o_O

"Even though I don't rate him, they'll stick take my offer for a young gun."

Always makes me laugh.
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Didn't say I don't rate Lucas, just that I rate Caddy a lot higher. Lucas could still turn out ot be a gun, I just don't think it's likely and I reckon GC wouldn't mind giving him a new start, he obviously does have potential to be rated so highly when drafted.

TheGeneral said:
Why not?

A first rounder for Caddy all but achieves the same result in giving us a best 22 player.

Another club could be dumb enough to try and top that, so I wouldn't give up a first round and second round pick for an uncontracted player.

We could trade a ruckman for a second round pick if we want another selection and need more cap space.
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Because I would rather end up with:

LOSING >> Lucas , 2nd rounder
GAINING >> Caddy, Wines/Stringer

Than to do something like:

LOSING >> 1st rounder
GAINING >> Caddy, whoever we grab in the second round.

We need to keep our first rounder to land a guy like Wines or Stringer. Either of those guys will likely be best 22 imo.
 
From memory weren't Bower and Setanta pretty good mates? Hope Bower gets another look in, and GWS are desperate for experienced defenders. I'd be more than willing to trade him there for nothing.
 
How much would we need to offer Moloney to get him to budge? 400K?

Don't know if he's worth the trouble. His 2010/11 form was great though...good inside mid which we could do with.
 

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jonoman89 said:
How much would we need to offer Moloney to get him to budge? 400K?

Don't know if he's worth the trouble. His 2010/11 form was great though...good inside mid which we could do with.
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Too old imo, we need to look towards the future, draft/trade to get a couple of inside mids with a lot of potential and give them games so they're ready to step in once Judd, Carrazzo, Simpson and Scotland retire. I don't really see the benefits of having Moloney take up one of their spots over the next couple of years.
 
Reports suggest that Monfries is attracting some interest from South Australia (Port Adelaide one would think, Adelaide arent that stupid, are they?) as a restricted free agent.

If we lost him, the consensus (on our board at least) is that we may very well gain a first round pick from it. A first round draft pick (no 11.), has been a key player since being drafted (100+ game player) and we seem to think he would be in our top 10 paid players at our club (for some obscenely unknown reason).

If we somehow managed to snare a first round draft pick, we would well and truly be in the running to grab Caddy.
 
jonoman89 said:
How much would we need to offer Moloney to get him to budge? 400K?

Don't know if he's worth the trouble. His 2010/11 form was great though...good inside mid which we could do with.
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Haven't signed Brock McLean yet. One of ours. Despite the posturing of reduced money on this forum, he would be better value at $400,000 than Moloney. Should be in our leadership group, and if all the talk of Juddy stepping down is fair dinkum, we could do much worse than Brock as skipper. Was severely undervalued by Ratts and co. until they were forced to play him.
Lucas or Warnock used for a Caddy trade, with hopefully a 3rd round pick, and one of the more powerful midfield draft prospects with our first pick would be gold. We have some great (although injury prone KPP's) and some really good kids coming through. I know people are impatient but the big boys are covered.

This draft/trade period is all about midfielders to prepare for Judd, Carrazzo, Simpson and Scotland heading off in to the sunset. Need a rookie ruckman to release Warnock, who, barring injury will not appear in our top 22. With Levi, Sam and Luke as back up for Kreuze and Hammer, we can take the risk of offloading Robbie in favour of a balanced list.
Our youngsters stepping up are predominantly tall and mid sized players. Levi, Bell, Paddy, Andy Mac, Watto, Boots etc. Only Dale, Buckley and the disappointing Lucas offering genuine run. We are in danger of becoming too slow in a couple of years.
 
Tanks_Alot said:
Because I would rather end up with:

LOSING >> Lucas , 2nd rounder
GAINING >> Caddy, Wines/Stringer

Than to do something like:

LOSING >> 1st rounder
GAINING >> Caddy, whoever we grab in the second round.

We need to keep our first rounder to land a guy like Wines or Stringer. Either of those guys will likely be best 22 imo.
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Deluded.

Another top 12 club will beat that offer and get in Caddy's ear.

If Collingwood lose Cloke, they could offer the Suns their first pick and their Cloke compensation for Caddy.

Think you could rule Caddy moving to the Dogs and Saints look nowhere near it in the short term.
 
TheGeneral said:
Deluded.

Another top 12 club will beat that offer and get in Caddy's ear.
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If you think clubs are going to just give up their first round pick for him you're deluded.

TheGeneral said:
If Collingwood lose Cloke, they could offer the Suns their first pick and their Cloke compensation for Caddy.
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LOL and you call me deluded.

TheGeneral said:
Think you could rule Caddy moving to the Dogs and Saints look nowhere near it in the short term.
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Melbourne will not be giving up their first round picks, Essendon won't on Daniher, that leaves the Tigers who I also doubt will be giving away their top 10 pick for him.

If we have to enter a bidding war with multiple clubs like you suggest, then we might as well forget about it. It'll be between us and Essendon most likely imo.
 
Yoda_ said:
Reports suggest that Monfries is attracting some interest from South Australia (Port Adelaide one would think, Adelaide arent that stupid, are they?) as a restricted free agent.

If we lost him, the consensus (on our board at least) is that we may very well gain a first round pick from it. A first round draft pick (no 11.), has been a key player since being drafted (100+ game player) and we seem to think he would be in our top 10 paid players at our club (for some obscenely unknown reason).

If we somehow managed to snare a first round draft pick, we would well and truly be in the running to grab Caddy.
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Good to see you (and I mean that in general as the Essendon supporters not just specifically you) over rating your players as usual. Monfries is nowhere near worth a first round pick and you don't need me to tell you that, just ask yourself, would any club offer a first round pick for Monfries? If your answer is no, how can you expect the AFL to compensate you as such, if your answer is yes, which club do you think would make that offer?
 
Tanks_Alot said:
Good to see you (and I mean that in general as the Essendon supporters not just specifically you) over rating your players as usual. Monfries is nowhere near worth a first round pick and you don't need me to tell you that, just ask yourself, would any club offer a first round pick for Monfries? If your answer is no, how can you expect the AFL to compensate you as such, if your answer is yes, which club do you think would make that offer?
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geeeeez, get a joke dude.
 

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Yoda_ said:
I did forget to add that the three things I mentioned (games played, draft pick number, and salary) could possibly end up as us gaining a first round compensation pick for losing Monfries in free agency.
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Very wishful thinking, no way would you obtain a first rounder for Monfries, he is a very average player.
 
BROWN20 said:
Very wishful thinking, no way would you obtain a first rounder for Monfries, he is a very average player.
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I agree, wanted him traded two years ago when he had some form of value to us..

This is the formula that is rumoured to be used.
 

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If that's the formula, lets trade Russell now. :p
 
Who are the top midfielders and what is the depth like? What concerns me is this. Good Midfielders take about 3-4 years to develop. In three years time, Scotland will likely be gone. Judd, Carrazzo, Mclean, Armfield and Simpson will be around 30ish. Not to mention our Midfield is already performing poorly. IMO We need to go hard on midfielders. With the talls we have, if we draft a few gun midfielders this year then we will get another crack at perhaps a flag when these players mentioned are done. If we don't we will be in big trouble. Though Yarran and Touhy might have moved to the midfield by then and Buckley, Bell, Dale and Lucas might be good players. This seems to me to be the area that we need to cover for that time three/four years down the track because there will be no second chances.

A few strong hard at it guys who will be well built and have power and speed and composure and can kick the thing. A mix of Murphy/Carrazzo/Dangerfield/Kennedy types I think should be on our menu as well as some good running types. I think we could be expecting to bring in 7 or more new players this year and if it is a good draft like they say then we should go all out on midfield types that we can look to develop over the next 2 or 3 years.
 
Yoda_ said:
I agree, wanted him traded two years ago when he had some form of value to us..

This is the formula that is rumoured to be used.
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Age and contract will be the key determining factors for compensation, and compensation applies to overall free agency position, not the losing of one player. However, if the Pies lose Cloke and gain nobody, they will receive a single first round pick. How you line Monfries up against Cloke or Goddard is up to you, but I'd suggest he won't be anywhere near them ;)

AlecDuncan said:
If that's the formula, lets trade Russell now. :p
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Monfries would be pretty much in the same boat as Russell. I would be hopeful for Band 3 compo (2nd round pick), however I fear that we are much more likely to receive band 4 or 5 (end of second round/3rd round) assuming we don't get any free agents.
 
gbatman said:
Who are the top midfielders and what is the depth like? What concerns me is this. Good Midfielders take about 3-4 years to develop. In three years time, Scotland will likely be gone. Judd, Carrazzo, Mclean, Armfield and Simpson will be around 30ish. Not to mention our Midfield is already performing poorly. IMO We need to go hard on midfielders. With the talls we have, if we draft a few gun midfielders this year then we will get another crack at perhaps a flag when these players mentioned are done. If we don't we will be in big trouble. Though Yarran and Touhy might have moved to the midfield by then and Buckley, Bell, Dale and Lucas might be good players. This seems to me to be the area that we need to cover for that time three/four years down the track because there will be no second chances.

A few strong hard at it guys who will be well built and have power and speed and composure and can kick the thing. A mix of Murphy/Carrazzo/Dangerfield/Kennedy types I think should be on our menu as well as some good running types. I think we could be expecting to bring in 7 or more new players this year and if it is a good draft like they say then we should go all out on midfield types that we can look to develop over the next 2 or 3 years.
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I'd like us to be a bit more subtle than that.
 

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