Opinion 2012 draft thread.

[Jeremias]

I want us to use pick 11 to select the best available talent.

My preference would be for that to be a midfielder, but if it's a KPF or KPD, then we shouldn't ignore him due to the position he plays.

We have some nice developing talent at either end, but we could always do with more.

Up forward we have Waite, Hampson, Casboult, Mitchell and Rowe. Waite is a gun however he's not durable and constantly misses games, be it due to injury or suspension. Hampson I like, but he's no star forward. Casboult showed fantastic signs towards the back end of 2012 but is no sure thing. Mitchell has had a heap of injuries and only played the one senior game. Rowe, well we know what has happened with him and whilst I absolutely admire the way he has come back from where he was, I do question his ability to make it at the top level.

Down back we have Jamison, Henderson, Watson and McCarthy. Jamison is a gun but much like Waite has extreme durability issues. Henderson an excellent defender but has had injuries as well. Watson is a young kid who progressed nicely in 2012 and I'm confident has a big future ahead of him but he's just a kid. McCarthy looks a likely type but having played just the one senior game, he too can't be classified as a sure thing.

They are the only true KP forwards and defenders we have. Plenty of others around but more suited to 3rd tall roles at either end (Laidler, McInnes, White, Walker etc).

Looking at that list, I really do like them all and believe that most will be very good AFL footballer. However they all have question marks next to their name.

Given the above list, I don't think we're in a position to ignore a tall at our pick if we believe him to be the best talent on offer.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the only position I believe we don't need a boost in, is in the ruck and as such I wouldn't be looking to select one with pick 11. But if Grundy was available then you'd have to consider it, wouldn't you?

 

[slashin_velvet]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the only position I believe we don't need a boost in, is in the ruck and as such I wouldn't be looking to select one with pick 11. But if Grundy was available then you'd have to consider it, wouldn't you?

Not if we have no need for him now, or in several years time. Yes the aim should be to get the best available players, but if you've got plenty of ruckman, you're better off going for a different sort of player, because your first pick will just whittle away in the reserves.

Drafting is a balance of getting in young talent, for future successes (replacing players who will retire/be delisted), and boosting the roster immediately.

As weve talked about all season, the team has no pressing need that will be filled by a draftee (unless mature age). As a result we should be looking at succession planning. Who could be the next Scotland, or Judd (unlikely at pick #11). Thats my preference. Different teams and list managers are likely to take a different approach.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Would be happy with O'Brien at #35.

I have him going to Collingwood in my present mock. Has Matt Rendell written all over him imo.

I think Dayle Garlett has Matt Rendell written all over him.

Wouldn't suprise me to see him select Garlett to so he can boast: "look everybody, see ..!! .. I'm not a racist!"

 

[Aphrodite]

Brogan out, Tippett in?

Link

THE CHANCES of Kurt Tippett playing for Greater Western Sydney in 2013 have increased dramatically, with the Giants delisting ruckman Dean Brogan to make room on its list.
Brogan, who doubles as an assistant coach, signed a new contract just last month, but has been told by the Giants he could still be required depending on what happens at next week's NAB AFL Draft.

Everything hinges on next week's AFL Commission hearing, where Tippett's immediate football fate will be determined.

Link

 

[Omega Blue]

i doubt tippett going to gws will effect us, i dont think gws will use a top 3 on him more like 13 or could gcs strike with 12?
i guess i want to see a draftee that is top 5 talent wise but had a limitation that knocked them down 5 spots, like a menzel (knee), Kennedy (height), Stringer (leg), Garlett (attitude) or Vlastuin (speed)

 

[Omega Blue]

Tippett hasn't nominated for the draft so he'll be going into the PSD, one would assume.

Brought up by Knightmare and it makes sense that if GWS do now take Tippett, they may be likely to pass on Grundy.

So who takes Grundy now, if so?

Posting the big questions Harks, he wouldn't slide past port.

 

[etsal1]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...-in-at-the-draft/story-e6frepf6-1226516135805

Articles suggests:

Pick 1 - GWS Whitfield
Pick 2 - GWS Toumpas
Pick 3 - GWS Plowman
Pick 4 - Melbourne Wines
Pick 5 - WBD O'Rourke
Pick 6 - WBD Menzel
Pick 7 - Port Grundy

Seperately I have heard that Lions are very into Jaksch with pick 8 and Tigers surprisingly into Garner with 9.
Danniher is 10.

So for us @ 11 - Vlaustin, Mayes, STRINGER, Kennedy, Membrey, Mcrae, Garlett, Lonergan... the list goes on. Personally I'm hoping for Stringer - I think that a broken leg is less risky than a history of knee recos and Stringer has come back from his injury in really good form. If he can live up to his potential (which without injury would have made him top 5 pick) he could be massive get @ 11.

 

[Silvagnis]

Back on the Vlastuin bandwagon after watching the first win over Collingwood. Reckon we need a big mid/flanker like Vlastuin who can release Gibbs whilst providing leadership and strength around the ground. This big mid could also be Stringer, but I wouldn't take that chance due to injuries.

Also saw the need for Garlett and Jaksch. Garlett will add more class, skill and poise than Armfield beyond next year. We might have to wait for Garlett like we did with Yarran, but them's the breaks.

Not a fan of small mids/forwards like Kennedy.

Shane Rogers is welcome to the responsibility of taking our picks...

Eight days to go.

I'd take Jacobs, but he might go to Essendon who have pick 35. Interesting move to delist Steinberg who re-signed earlier this year. Wonder if we cut Collins and they cut Steinberg to free up cap space to target Jacobs. Not sure if the contract counts in the 2012 cap or the 2013 cap if a contracted player is delisted and re-drafted as a rookie.

 

[JuddgementDay]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...-in-at-the-draft/story-e6frepf6-1226516135805

Articles suggests:

Pick 1 - GWS Whitfield
Pick 2 - GWS Toumpas
Pick 3 - GWS Plowman
Pick 4 - Melbourne Wines
Pick 5 - WBD O'Rourke
Pick 6 - WBD Menzel
Pick 7 - Port Grundy

Seperately I have heard that Lions are very into Jaksch with pick 8 and Tigers surprisingly into Garner with 9.
Danniher is 10.

So for us @ 11 - Vlaustin, Mayes, STRINGER, Kennedy, Membrey, Mcrae, Garlett, Lonergan... the list goes on. Personally I'm hoping for Stringer - I think that a broken leg is less risky than a history of knee recos and Stringer has come back from his injury in really good form. If he can live up to his potential (which without injury would have made him top 5 pick) he could be massive get @ 11.

Nice problem to have.
So nany great choices.
My order is: stringer, mayes, vlaustin

 

[BROWN20]

Nice problem to have.
So nany great choices.
My order is: stringer, mayes, vlaustin

Tough choice but l tend to think Mayes/Stringer/Gartlett.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I want Garlett - but the more I think about it, the more I think it won't happen.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

The question then has to go back to who is going to take him and at the expense of who?

Read somewhere yesterday that Garlett had a 12 beep. That's a very low count for someone wanting to be a mid, one would think.

When I think of Garlett, I think back to what the pre-draft talk was surrounding Yarran in 2008... I can see similarities, and I am more than happy we took the punt, then again, I'm not certain Yarran had anywhere near the same issues as Garlett.

I think clubs with early selections will play it safe and overlook him, despite is obvious ability. I can see him ending up at Collingwood with one of their late first round selections.

In saying the above though, I would be more than happy to select him at Pick #11, because I think that given our professional environment/set up along with the likes of Jeffy, Yaz and Eddie - we could get the best out of Dayle.... it's just a matter as to whether SR believes that Dayle could possibly get the worst out Yaz, Eddie and Jeffy... I guess? (if that makes any sense?).

He would be fantastic for us, playing as a "super sub" (given his current endurance) and just breaking away from the packs, evading opponents and being able to hit up our leading forwards with good disposal, might even allow Armfield to play as a more permanent lock down forward.

Like I've said all along - I'd be more confident of selecting Garlett if we had of secured Andrew McLeod. But I still firmly believe we should pick him, because natural talent is too dangerous to ignore, and our position on the ladder this year is not reflective of the current list we have (thanks to injuries) - so we should see this as a bonus addition.

A beep test of 12 is something similar to what Yarran would have had when he first came to the club ... but then again, he wasn't touted to be a full time midfielder straight away.

 

[Azul]

Read somewhere yesterday that Garlett had a 12 beep. That's a very low count for someone wanting to be a mid, one would think.

Indigenous kids with explosive pace and silky skills rarely have elite endurance at junior level. That didn't stop us taking Chris Yarran in the top 10 but most would be happy with that selection even though he'll possibly never become an elite midfielder due to said endurance.

But yeah, if the goal with pick 11 is to replace Judd, Carrazzo, Simpson and Scotland then there are probably safer options.

 

[Sin City]

The question then has to go back to who is going to take him and at the expense of who?

Read somewhere yesterday that Garlett had a 12 beep. That's a very low count for someone wanting to be a mid, one would think.

Bodes well for the club that picks him and gets that beep test up to level 15 given how good he is already doesn't it

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

afl.com.au have reported that the Gold Coast Suns will pick Josh Simpson if he's still there at Pick #13.

Simpson, Bennell, Martin --> not bad.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Just on the beep:
I know you can build the tank up somewhat but doesn't your lung capacity have a lot to do with what one can achieve?
I thought that to a large extent you're either built a certain way or you're not, unless you're Kreuzer who'll just push through every pain barrier when others have dropped by the wayside.

Theres a sure fire way of 'cheating' the beep test and altering your lung capacity.

It's virtually undetectable also ... wouldn't suprise me if some player managers/parents were aware of it and got their kids to do it.

 

[Sin City]

Just on the beep:
I know you can build the tank up somewhat but doesn't your lung capacity have a lot to do with what one can achieve?
I thought that to a large extent you're either built a certain way or you're not, unless you're Kreuzer who'll just push through every pain barrier when others have dropped by the wayside.

It is a bit, but nothing that could stop an AFL player reaching an achievable level like a 15 beep.

 

[Azul]

That's true but a 12 is very low on the scale.
To some degree you may be unfit or just not trying.

Maybe a bit of both. I did read somewhere that Dayle had a questionable attitude that got him kicked out of the AIS.

All the skills but not the self-discipline? Time will tell...

 

[Sin City]

afl.com.au have reported that the Gold Coast Suns will pick Josh Simpson if he's still there at Pick #13.

Simpson, Bennell, Martin --> not bad.

Where was that C4?

Pretty hard midfield to try and shut down.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Where was that C4?

Pretty hard midfield to try and shut down.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151058/default.aspx

Industry talk earlier this year suggested the Suns were even contemplating picking Simpson with selection two in the draft, had they not sent the pick to the Giants in return for 17-year-old West Australian star Jack Martin through the mini-draft.

The Suns, now with selection 13, could snare Simpson if he is still there at that stage.

Martin's arrival might have changed how the Suns rank Simpson, however some recruiters view them as different types of players

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Maybe a bit of both. I did read somewhere that Dayle had a questionable attitude that got him kicked out of the AIS.

All the skills but not the self-discipline? Time will tell...

Apparantly though he has "changed his ways" and impressed recruiters with his new outlook at the Combine.

 

[Coona Blues]

Do NOT want Garlett. These pages are littered with posts questioning the level of leadership in our club. We do not currently possess a Geelong/Sydney culture, where the lesser committed are dragged along and forced to perform or perish. We have 3 highly touted young players with selective commitment who need to lift already. Hopefully the new coaching regime can do this. I have no desire to add another questionable character to the list, regardless of potential. Build the culture as well as the talent. Stringer's leg may take a 2 year (Full) recovery period ala Barlow (although younger usually means quicker), already at least half way there has all of the attributes of an elite player. IF his output is a little limited next season we lose nothing, pick 11 is the future more than the now. If he is available it is a no brainer, big strong mid who can also play tall.

 

[Sin City]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151058/default.aspx

Cheers

 

[Kramer1]

Not sure if we have been lucky, smart or perhaps a bit of both with some of our kids. Robbo now seems a pretty solid citizen, yet there was talk of him sliding due to attitude issues. Yarran seems happy off the field, yet could be perceived as a risky pick given his background. We have managed to keep Eddie and Jeff on track...from the outside it might seem like we have a solid grasp of player welfare and keeping guys on track...yet had no handle on Fev whatsoever.

Generally love a high risk high reward scenario...but can't shake the feeling of wanting to play it safe with pick 11. Absurdity of that sentence is I am not sure what safe it...just that it isn't Garlett.

 

[true blue19]

Not if we have no need for him now, or in several years time. Yes the aim should be to get the best available players, but if you've got plenty of ruckman, you're better off going for a different sort of player, because your first pick will just whittle away in the reserves.

Drafting is a balance of getting in young talent, for future successes (replacing players who will retire/be delisted), and boosting the roster immediately.

As weve talked about all season, the team has no pressing need that will be filled by a draftee (unless mature age). As a result we should be looking at succession planning. Who could be the next Scotland, or Judd (unlikely at pick #11). Thats my preference. Different teams and list managers are likely to take a different approach.

I get what you saying but your not going to pass on an A grade ruckman to take a B grade midfielder. IMO you alway draft the best player and trade for needs. I said it before by picking Grundy we could trade one of or both Warnock and Hampson next year.