2012 Draft wish list

[Talentman]

I did. You suggesting that we will 2 players selected from your WA players list implies that KPP's such as the ones that I have suggested are not rated. We almost certainly will not have 2 players from your list on the payroll next season. Recruitment-wise we don't prioritise WA based players.

It doesn't imply anything, don't try and put words in my mouth.

You didn't read.

I think there's a fair chance that one of that list will be taken ND, another rookie.

 

[theGav56]

It doesn't imply anything, don't try and put words in my mouth.

You didn't read.

I think there's a fair chance that one of that list will be taken ND, another rookie.

The other possibility is I did read it and have a different opinion. The words from you mouth actually say;

Fair to say Fremantle will end up with 2 or more of this crop on their payroll by the end of the recruiting season.

I think it is likely we will have 2 KPP's on our payroll next season, but can't see why they would be from your list.

Hogan and Shaw are realistically slim possibilities given our selections and trading power. Our trading power to snare Hogan is nowhere near as strong as Bulldogs or Demons, and there are a bunch of clubs including Brisbane and St Kilda picking before us who would be interested in a player like Shaw. The most likely scenario is that we miss out.

If we are wanting to get a KPP with our 1st rounder I doubt it will be any of the other players you have named, and is highly likely to be a KPP from another state, and I named the 2 most plausibly in the mix. It is highly likely one of either of those 2 or Shaw will be available to us, with Shaw the least likely imo.

I really don't see us stockpiling a bunch of KP prospects just because they are KPP's, and certainly not because they are from WA, which will be irrelevant in our recruiting strategy, but is the basis of your post.

My most likely scenario is;

1st rounder; KPF either Shaw, Stringer, Jakchs the targets. If none of these guys are still available then it means a player like Wines would become extremely attractive.

2nd rounder; midfielder or KPP depending on what happens in the 1st round (Lee a possibility, but Chris25 rates other mature KPP's higher, and our recruiting staff have already passed on him, so don't see him as a "lock" in any sense. Some of your names in the mix but being WA based will not impact the selection at all. We will not take an average KPP just to have one on the list.

3rd rounder; KPD. Unlikely to be finding a decent KPF in this area of the draft, but defenders are possible. But it seems more likely from previous drafts the best value selections won't be KPP's.

Rookie List; I have no idea who they will take. But what I do like about our Rookie List strategy in recent drafts is that we have been more inclined to take players with a real chance of making it, rather than the speculation picks. Has not been a lot of KPP's getting taken, and don't see that changing. It is not about quantity, and if they have quality, they will get taken with our early picks.

The other thing at play is trading. The interest in Cloke has already revealed our hand in terms of wanting a ready made KPP.

 

[Talentman]

Fair enough.

I'll be blown away if Lee isn't on the books by years end.

Never seen a club so hot for a player so far out from the draft.

 

[Wee Jessies]

I would be a little nervous about trading Zac Clarke but i think the only way i would trade him would be if we traded our first pick and Clarke for a mini draft pick (Hogan) and Tom Lee. This way we have a KPF that can come in and play next year and also a KPF that will be ready to go the year after. Then we can look at our midfield with our second round pick. Either this or we get Gumbleton. The simple matter is that we need to get another KPF this off season or else we will be to one dimensional going in to our forard line next year. It worked this year but Pav will be a year older and other teams may catch on to us.

I agree I think this will be the deal but GWS will want Clarke and a top 10 pick min since I am sure Melb and the Bulldogs will each offer one of their picks, maybe if we include Silvagni as this would fill two gaping needs straight away. Pretty good deal for GWS for an unknown quantity.

Really would be happy for nothing to happen this off season and back in the current list to improve with full preseasons and Morabito back. Most of our list haven't cracked that magical 100-150 game mark. After starting the year with no midfield we won a final and almost won another if not for hopping on and off a plane every third day over two weeks. There are better options through FA next year in my opinion.

 

[theGav56]

Fair enough.

I'll be blown away if Lee isn't on the books by years end.

Never seen a club so hot for a player so far out from the draft.

Too many variables. Won't take him 1st round surely. May not be available 2nd round, and may not be best available if he is.

Re KPF's, I am not sure if he is the right type for what we need. In my ideal world we would have a forward line made up from;

3 talls.

1) Pavlich would of course be one of them, and I see another 3 years as easily attainable.
2) A bigger genuine power forward who can crash packs.
3) A ruck/forward. We have this covered with Clarke and Moeller.

Number 2 is the vacancy, and from my reading Lee is not the best fit for that. Shaw is the obvious fit, with Hogan's aggression making up for him not being as big. I think we should trade up to get more realistic shots at them.

 

[Docker Dolph]

It annoys me how Freo could have picked up Lee as the last rookie pick.

Yeah but then again who would you want them to have ignored, Spurr or Pearce? We only had 2 choices in the RD and those were the ones we made.

 

[Proud Bogan]

Wait for Buddy and throw the freakin house at him.

 

[theGav56]

Yeah but then again who would you want them to have ignored, Spurr or Pearce? We only had 2 choices in the RD and those were the ones we made.

Think you may be wrong there. We have just delisted JWK, and Menagola is also on the list from the last draft.

 

[rgauci]

Yeah but then again who would you want them to have ignored, Spurr or Pearce? We only had 2 choices in the RD and those were the ones we made.

We had way more than 2 choices, Spurr, Schloithe, Menagola, Jordan Wilson-King, Pearce is how we selected.

 

[theGav56]

Wait for Buddy and throw the freakin house at him.

Geelong have a reasonable CHB who may like to come home sometime too.

 

[Proud Bogan]

Geelong have a reasonable CHB who may like to come home sometime too.

I remember reading a thread here about Harry being the best player that we missed that year.

And the OP got torn to pieces.

Love how he goes about it.

 

[Ghost Pig]

Basking sharks.

 

[Docker Dolph]

We had way more than 2 choices, Spurr, Schloithe, Menagola, Jordan Wilson-King, Pearce is how we selected.

I stand corrected.

I'll sit quietly in the corner.

 

[Docker Dolph]

We had way more than 2 choices, Spurr, Schloithe, Menagola, Jordan Wilson-King, Pearce is how we selected.

I stand corrected.

I'll sit quietly in the corner.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

I stand corrected.

I'll sit quietly in the corner.

I think Freo chose well in the rookie draft but I would have rathered Lee instead of JWK or Menagola.

 

[Docker Dolph]

And I would agree with you.

 

[Patty_Moz]

I'm hoping we show some faith in the list we have so no more than 4 picks I'd be fine with 3.

Round 1: best available KPF or mid but hopefully Shaw/Stringer
Round 2: whatever we dont get round 1 KPP or best mid
Round 3: KPP
Round 4: if we use it, chances are we aren't getting a superstar here no matter who we get so let's have another ping at a KPP.

 

[Freo Dr]

I think Freo chose well in the rookie draft but I would have rathered Lee instead of JWK or Menagola.

Menegola has been improving a lot in the WAFL so I think he has a lot of promise, whilst Lee was fairly poor in the GF today and is maybe a good WAFL forward not AFL level. JWK seems to be an application thing versus talent and when you see what a difference someone like Walters has had you have give talented players the chance and hope they come good in the right environment if they are a late pick.

 

[cp3_jr]

Haven't seen a lot of him but Marvin Warrell was a gun today's for South's in the colts GF.
If we are looking for mids and can get him in the 2nd or 3rd rd he'd be a great pick up. Has good speed, works hard and is very skillful.

 

[Nickos66]

I'm hoping we show some faith in the list we have so no more than 4 picks I'd be fine with 3.

Round 1: best available KPF or mid but hopefully Shaw/Stringer
Round 2: whatever we dont get round 1 KPP or best mid
Round 3: KPP
Round 4: if we use it, chances are we aren't getting a superstar here no matter who we get so let's have another ping at a KPP.

If we even bother to use the 4th pic - it'll be to upgrade Clanceeee to the main list, otherwise if we don't he'll be upgraded with our 3rd pic.

I'm also intrigued to find out if we're going to pass on a pic again to save for the preseason draft..?

 

[Patty_Moz]

If we even bother to use the 4th pic - it'll be to upgrade Clanceeee to the main list, otherwise if we don't he'll be upgraded with our 3rd pic.

I'm also intrigued to find out if we're going to pass on a pic again to save for the preseason draft..?

Yep probly right Nickos and I'd be happy with that but we'll probly send Sandi and Mcpharlin to the vets list so already 3 spots on our list plus 6 players still out of contract so maybe more than 3 draft picks could definitely be a FA or trade as well.

 

[Nickos66]

That's genius, I totally can't remember writing that though..

I've lost track of the vets list changes but assuming vet players occupy a rookie list spot instead, we'd have to jettison another rookie then, right? Macca & Sandi take the spots of JWK & Pearce, but we probably have to still enter the rookie draft to comply with AFL guidelines so we'd need to drop more..

 

[Patty_Moz]

That's genius, I totally can't remember writing that though..

I've lost track of the vets list changes but assuming vet players occupy a rookie list spot instead, we'd have to jettison another rookie then, right? Macca & Sandi take the spots of JWK & Pearce, but we probably have to still enter the rookie draft to comply with AFL guidelines so we'd need to drop more..

No we won't have to cut another one of them will take Grovers spot and 1 will take one of Pearce/Roberts/JWK's spot. Moller will get another rookie spot and we will only use 1 rookie pick.

 

[blue shark]

Has there been any discussion about Ben Saunders? Would be a good rookie pickup, or late draft pick. Obviously not as tall as Tom Lee, but his record speaks for itself. Kicked 66 goals in the league team, and in reserves kicked 68 goals in 18 games for the 2011 season.
Mature age rookie, and would be ready to play next year, would have to be better than Roberts, Houghton, Sibosido, etc
who couldnt even dominate Wafl.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Lee = Murphy IMO. Our current forward line set up of Pav, Resting Ruckman, Mayne as a 3rd tall + 2 zippy smalls is seriosuly dangerous and flexible as hell. We do need to look at someone who is a 3 year project as a Pav replacement though. That isn't Lee.