2012 Draft wish list

[free at last]

I'm not quite sure what thread this should/not be in; but this off-season Freo will be quite interesting to watch. Lyon's preference in recent years was to chase 'ready made' players, whereas Freo (recently) have had a heavy reliance on the draft and/or mature-age state league recruits.

St Kilda didn't seem to have a particualrly strong-minded list management team, seemed to go largely by the coach's say so - whereas Lloyd/Bond seem to have almost total control of that area @ Freo.
Will be interesting to see what balance they strike.
Just my 2c.

Lyon was commenting before the season started, bondy and Lloyd had a model in place which he said he's confident with.
Lyon showed this year he's more than willing to blood youngsters,neale,crozier,sutcliffe and sherro.I reckon Lyon has learnt from his St Kilda days ,that bringing youth through is vital for giving the squad really good depth.

 

[Slattery_20]

We'll have to wait and see I guess. He seemed to make some pretty pointed comments about midfield post-game.

 

[kickett puches read]

Key position players.... with every pick.

we all saw what happened when we lost mcpharlin. We played unbelievably against geelong... but if mcpharlin plays against adelaide.. we win, simple as that. We need to develop some young big players. Dawson is a very good B grade player, Grover is gone, Silvagni is rubbish... we really dont have anyone coming through after that.

never thought id be saying this, but the forwardline seems in better order than the backline for the future. Mayne, Ballantyne and Walters should be able to maintain the rage for future years. but we need someone to succeed Pav. Nothing but KPP's for me

 

[Seppo]

Key position players.... with every pick.

we all saw what happened when we lost mcpharlin. We played unbelievably against geelong... but if mcpharlin plays against adelaide.. we win, simple as that. We need to develop some young big players. Dawson is a very good B grade player, Grover is gone, Silvagni is rubbish... we really dont have anyone coming through after that.

never thought id be saying this, but the forwardline seems in better order than the backline for the future. Mayne, Ballantyne and Walters should be able to maintain the rage for future years. but we need someone to succeed Pav. Nothing but KPP's for me

You forgetting Faulks (unless you think he is gone).

I do agree we need at least 1 KPD to replace McPharlin or Dawson if they go down and 1 KPF to replace Pav in the future.

If we do not get Moeller and he is sent off to GWS, we should aim to get a developing ruckman to add to the Rookie List. We then have 4 ruckman at different stages:
Sandi - Home straight of his career (1-2 years left)
Griffin - Good back up that will be guarenteed games next year (3-4 years left)
Clarke - Developing ruckman close to a breakout year (5-6 years left)
Moeller/New rookie - Sits on rookie list and be elevated when Sandi retires

 

[Lach72]

More info please!

South Australian Tall forward. Played FF for them in the champs.

Mobile, at a guess somewhere around 194-196, a little light at the moment but looks like he has a body that would put on weight.

Watched one game from the champs where he kicked 3 or something in the quarter and almost one the game for them.

And flaming red hair. We don't have a decent ginger.

 

[kickett puches read]

You forgetting Faulks (unless you think he is gone).

I do agree we need at least 1 KPD to replace McPharlin or Dawson if they go down and 1 KPF to replace Pav in the future.

If we do not get Moeller and he is sent off to GWS, we should aim to get a developing ruckman to add to the Rookie List. We then have 4 ruckman at different stages:
Sandi - Home straight of his career (1-2 years left)
Griffin - Good back up that will be guarenteed games next year (3-4 years left)
Clarke - Developing ruckman close to a breakout year (5-6 years left)
Moeller/New rookie - Sits on rookie list and be elevated when Sandi retires

my last post was probably a little facecious, but I did forget about Faulks... with Dawson though, I cant see faulks getting a gig.

Im happy to try and top up ruckmen with a rookie pick. two of the all time greats in sandilands and Cox were rookies, we have time on our side with ruckmen so its not as though we need to use an early pick for one. I could see us keeping moeller anyway, purely because his athletic abilities are said to match notaclui's.

I would be bitterly, bitterly disappointed if we did not draft atleast two KPP's between this years national and rookie draft's

 

[Swan Districts Kid]

Draft strategy will depend on our moves during trade week, but generally, I agree with KPR that we should use every pick this year on KP prospects. Given that drafting a young KP is a leap of faith with a fair risk of turning into a pumpkin, drafting 4 young KPs might uncover 2 good ones. We have neglected KPs in recent drafts - was really surprised we didn't take Kersten last season (& passed over Tom Lee after having a close look at him).

I really hope we get Hogan - of all the young KPs, he sounds the least riskiest of turning into a champion + he's a WA boy. Mason Shaw sounds less versatile, but gee he's big & is a passionate Dockers fan. I'd froth if we got both these boys.

 

[Purple Suit]

South Australian Tall forward. Played FF for them in the champs.

Mobile, at a guess somewhere around 194-196, a little light at the moment but looks like he has a body that would put on weight.

Watched one game from the champs where he kicked 3 or something in the quarter and almost one the game for them.

And flaming red hair. We don't have a decent ginger.

No chance, Vossy will grab him before our pick.

 

[Talentman]

Bit harsh to Silvangi is rubbish I would have thought.

 

[Nickos66]

Very, ignorance says SCOS is Rubbish, he'll never be an A grader, but he's not rubbish.

Before 2012 who would have said Dawson is better than SCOS. It's funny what a new coach and 6 months does for hindsight.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

What is it worth to get Hogan seeing as we would have to offer something for him.

Maybe our first pick and a player. I'd like Shaw but he may not fall to Freo so it getting Hogan through the mini draft may be less risky.

 

[free at last]

South Australian Tall forward. Played FF for them in the champs.

Mobile, at a guess somewhere around 194-196, a little light at the moment but looks like he has a body that would put on weight.

Watched one game from the champs where he kicked 3 or something in the quarter and almost one the game for them.

And flaming red hair. We don't have a decent ginger.

Cheers Lach....

 

[prattsta]

Key position players.... with every pick.

That's a great strategy for burning an entire draft worth of picks.

How many KPF players taken outside the top ten work out? Heck, you could probably shorten that to the top 5. KPD are even harder to pick as the talented KP players at junior level generally play up forward. The best ruckman in 5 years time could be the last pick from the rookie draft.

In regards to the midfield, I'm happy enough for the club to say 'Mundy, Barlow, Fyfe, Hill, Morabito, Crowley, Lower, De Boer, Pearce and Mzungu along with development from Neale, Pitt, Sheridan, Sutcliffe and Michie(?) is enough, let's back them in' but I'm not convinced they'd be right. There are just too many question marks.

We certainly need KP players, but we need genuine midfielders as well.

 

[theGav56]

Assuming every KPP we drafted in the last 10 years was on our list now, we'd still need to draft KPP's.

Quantity is not the thing.

Quality is.

 

[free at last]

Assuming every KPP we drafted in the last 10 years was on our list now, we'd still need to draft KPP's.

Quantity is not the thing.

Quality is.

Hogan it is then.Quality.Hogan went berserk( marking everything,impressive stuff) in the second half against Vic metro.

 

[Freo_4eva]

If Tim Membrey was 6cms taller could be a good foil for Pav.. but i think i read he is 188cm's??

Kicked 8 in the TAC cup prelim.. can also play up the ground, and impressed me in the carnival with his pressure / ground work as well.. a bit Darling like.

But as a say, not really a KP forward

 

[apuchar]

If Tim Membrey was 6cms taller could be a good foil for Pav.. but i think i read he is 188cm's??

Kicked 8 in the TAC cup prelim.. can also play up the ground, and impressed me in the carnival with his pressure / ground work as well.. a bit Darling like.

But as a say, not really a KP forward

Would still like him if he is any good

 

[Ghost Pig]

Would still like him if he is any good

Sounds like a potential Mayne understudy/upgrade.

 

[Sman-21]

Well i hope everyone is prepared to be dissapointed.
From what Lyon said at end of season and our recent history in drafts, its extremely unlikely that we will grab many KPP's.

Im confident the stocks we have in defense are good enough, ofcourse wouldn't hurt to grab 1 more though.
Forward we have nothing coming through or even able to assist Pav properly.
Absolutely must get a minimum of 2 KP Forwards this draft.

If we only use 4 picks
I would go
Pick 1 - KP Forward
Pick 2 - Mid/utility
Pick 3 - KP Forward
Pick 4 - KP back

Backmen generally dont get drafted high so its still possible to get good ones with lateish picks.
Good forwards rarely get picked up late, so need to risk burning a high pick to get a good one.

I totally agree with Lyon that we wont go anywhere, until we can force guys like Mzungu out of the team.
Mzungu gives great effort but harsh truth is if guys like him are best 22 you cant compete with the top 4.
Trouble is we have no KPP's ready to take over when current guns retire.
KPP's take time to develop, so need them developing while our guns are still around, plus they can learn alot from them.
That is why they need to be the priority imo.

 

[Alfonz]

The unfortunate reality is that it is highly unlikely to draft a good KPP with our picks. There might be the odd success story, but picking a winner is more arse than class. We had our chance when a genuine option slid down (Darling), but we blew it big time. You don't get an opportunity like that very often.

• 2009 - 2 in the top 12 who look OK (Talia and Butcher), then after that only Reid and Carlisle that I rate. And none of them are doing much more than solid work at this point in their career. Gunston as a third tall doesn't quite count.

• 2008 - 3 in the top 10 who look OK, plus Watts who is not a good #1 pick. A few picked after that, a few getting games (e.g. Schoenmakers), but I don't really rate many of them above average. Really there is only Hurley in the entire draft who is a genuinely good player, with Davis and Vickery having shown decent signs.

• 2007 - a few OK selections (Rance, Pears), the rest are pretty much duds. Not counting Taylor because he was not a kid.

• 2006 - this was a very good draft in terms of talls in the top 15 (plus Hawkins), plus a few more good ones later in MacKenzie, Tippet, etc. A good draft for talls, but most of the good work was done in the top 15.

• 2005 - some good sorts in the top 10 (e.g. Kennedy, Clark), but after that absolutely nothing but duds.

• 2004 - Buddy, Roughy and Cloke (f/s). Cracking top level of talent ... but nothing but duds outside of these guys.

• 2003 - Zac Dawson is actually the best KPP from this draft.

• 2002 - I count about five who are still playing and going OK, but they are all in the Schulz/Lonergan category of ability. Nothing special.

Anyway, that's enough for now ... I might have overlooked someone scanning at the draft lists, but usually each draft delivers barely a handful of kids who are solid KPP, and maybe 1-2 really good ones (that usually go very early). Chicken or the egg ... you have to draft talls at some stage in order to get lucky ... but I can't agree with just blowing all our picks on talls for the sake of it.

Unless we get our hands on a mini-draft pick (i.e. Hogan), I would suggest there is about a 10% chance of picking a young KPP in this draft who can contribute meaningful game time while our old guns are still playing. And I think this may come into our drafting strategy. We don't want to completely **** our future, but we have to think short term as well. I think we are better off filling the tall positions with FA, trading and mature age players (e.g. Lee, Gumbleton, Cloke).

 

[Proud Bogan]

Well i hope everyone is prepared to be dissapointed.
From what Lyon said at end of season and our recent history in drafts, its extremely unlikely that we will grab many KPP's.

May I suggest that you have a listen to his last 6PR interview which is up on this board.

Lyon was extremely clear in saying that we lack depth in this area and it will be something that we hope to address in the upcoming trade/draft period.

 

[free at last]

May I suggest that you have a listen to his last 6PR interview which is up on this board.

Lyon was extremely clear in saying that we lack depth in this area and it will be something that we hope to address in the upcoming trade/draft period.

Agree.We're at a tipping point when comes to KPF depth.

 

[free at last]

May I suggest that you have a listen to his last 6PR interview which is up on this board.

Lyon was extremely clear in saying that we lack depth in this area and it will be something that we hope to address in the upcoming trade/draft period.

Agree.We're at a tipping point when comes to KPF depth.

 

[Lach72]

If the best forward prospects are gone by our first pick (Shaw for instance), and a guy like Oliver Wines is available, I would be all over him like white on rice. Strong, reasonably quick inside/outside mid with great hands.

Then try for an O'Brien with our second pick.

 

[theGav56]

If the best forward prospects are gone by our first pick (Shaw for instance), and a guy like Oliver Wines is available, I would be all over him like white on rice. Strong, reasonably quick inside/outside mid with great hands.

Then try for an O'Brien with our second pick.

Oh yeah for sure. It doesn't matter what the needs are, if you are not picking pretty close to best available with a first rounder then you are nuts.