I'd get prepared to be disappointed...
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I'd get prepared to be disappointed...
How will this differ from most drafts. (Exclude 2009).
I hope they delist Krytuicfgoirut%#$!^xoirtoN. His name is far too hard to spell compared to his skill level. It's a bit like the crazy/hot scale.
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Nobody where? In the media? On bigfooty? Not sure what you base your stuff on. Most of what could be known about Taylor as a mature age pick was there to be seen by all, and Geelong taking him in the first round is clear evidence that he had been heard of by the only people who matter. They did not prefer Rance (a similar player who everyone had heard of), taken with the very next selection, and that shows how clear Geelong were about Taylor and what he was capable of. It certainly did not just enter their heads within the 3 months prior to the draft that they were interested in him. Why not take Rance and let the unheard of Taylor slide to the last selection or Rookie Draft?
The Palmer/Taylor comment is more aimed at the idea that even if Taylor was highly rated by us, we would have selected Palmer as we were full up with KPD's and desperately short of what Palmer had to offer. The idea that the club painstakingly takes best available over needs is in my opinion demonstrably incorrect. They do a mix and match of best available for the needs of the club.
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I clearly remember a few posters on this board talking Taylor up prior to the draft. Ripper was definitely one, but there were others. He'd had two really good years in the WAFL, so you're quite correct Gav, it was there for all to see. Geelong jumped when they did because they knew full well that many other clubs were keen on him and he was never going to last much longer.
On Bigfooty? No bloody idea, I didn't know the place existed until 2010. I do however remember Taylor being a late bolter and a possible 1st rd selection in the days/weeks leading up to the draft.
Nickos, my point is that what the recruiting departments of football clubs thinks, especially outside of the top 10, is palpably different to what the media thinks. Taylor is an example of that.
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If your source is the media and bf posters, I just don't see it. If he is there at 17 I would have him as likely as any other player to be taken who is rated mid teens to mid 20's. Ticks the boxes and rated highly for the position we need to fill. If as you suggest he is rated as "best available" at mid 20's, then pick 17 is well and truly in the range of where he will be selected because "needs" will definitely come into play as has happened in the past.
But Bigfooty posters such as yourself have it all worked out?
Not so much thinking differently as much as it is that the draft is symbolical of chaos theory, no top 10 is ever locked in, if one recruiting dept picks anything other than a 'centre field' selection then the whole foundation shifts, and has a ripple effect. Other players become available that were otherwise expected to be gone etc.
Sure, and you are entitled to that opinion, I truthfully hope it works out that way, but I have shared my opinion that theorises otherwise.
Was wondering what Freo was going to be targeting with their first pick (the one before ours). I did imagine it would be a key forward to play next to & replace Pav. It also looks like a key defender wouldn't go astray either.
I had Shaw pencilled in as a great fit for Freo, but there is a lot of talk about him sliding and being one dimensional. Personally, I don't see it too much. He is a big lad who can take contested grabs & kicks well. Ticks a few boxes.
Having said that there is not too much separating Shaw, O'Brien & White. All are perhaps not worthy of high picks but all in their own way show promise & worth a shot within the top 30 at least.
I like the key defender quality a little more. Jaksch is almost perfect - as he can play both ends, but would imagine Carlton & Brisbane will be all over him if not GWS. Clurey is a real gem and almost would say if he is available at 17 take him over that key forward bunch. I see very little risk to that guy. Tanner Smith is another who should be in the conversation.
Membrey is a guy who is similar to Pav and not sure if he fits exactly what Freo is after due to that similarity - at least not in the immediate future. Probably a bit short and I think you really want a big body up there to complement Pav. However he could fill the Pav hole down the track. I am hoping he is available at the Pies picks.
Justin Hardy you could add to the list, especially if we go best available first, ie Nathan Hrovat. Seems to be great depth in the Talls
this year.
this year.
It would be great if we went three KPP's on the main list. I can't be certain but wouldn't the 2001 off season be the only time we did that with Croad, McPharlin and Polak all in the same draft/trade period?
Only one of the three turned out then, so if we get the same result then we might need three cracks to get a decent keeper.
Only one of the three turned out then, so if we get the same result then we might need three cracks to get a decent keeper.
I can't work out how to do a draft competition, but here is a draft mini quiz before someone smart puts a real one up
Hypothetically if Jaksch, Shaw and Garlett are all still there at our pick 17:
1. Who would you want?
2. Who do you think we'd take?
My answers
1. Shaw
2. Garlett
Hypothetically if Jaksch, Shaw and Garlett are all still there at our pick 17:
1. Who would you want?
2. Who do you think we'd take?
My answers
1. Shaw
2. Garlett
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I reckon you're right. I'd take shaw. Bondy would have Garlett.
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Depends on who RTB wants!
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Yeh, fair enough Gav. However, wet toast was Darling's preferred home and they had him earmarked a long way out too. So when those two parties are on the same wavelength, a skull fracture becomes reported as "a possible serious brain injury" and a bit of young bloke cockiness becomes a "major attitude problem" for when other possible clubs are nosing around.
Darling has played nearly every game since drafted - no head problems and no off the field dramas either. Read the play and it was either sheer luck for eagirls or there was some shrewd work being applied by their recruitment staff. Know where my bet would be on!
"Attitude problems" are the easiest way of deterring possible drafters too. A certain 300 game, 2 x Norm Smith medalist from Adelaide played that card perfectly. Just ask Gerard Neesham!
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The Bullies and Port boards are running what seems a good format for this Seppo. Maybe take a look and see what you think?
Actually, it would explain Mitch Brown's work on Shaw which resulted in his drop in form.
But seriously, is there someway we can remind Bond and co that Shaw is a VERY good FF, who still managed to kick shit heaps of goals depite being in a concussion induced "form slump"? As good as guys like Garner look, I just don't think I can take another year of flankers.
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But maaaan, when they eventually develop!Actually, it would explain Mitch Brown's work on Shaw which resulted in his drop in form.
But seriously, is there someway we can remind Bond and co that Shaw is a VERY good FF, who still managed to kick shit heaps of goals depite being in a concussion induced "form slump"? As good as guys like Garner look, I just don't think I can take another year of flankers.
They could be like.. a good player or something, like one of those other guys in the same draft that didn't take years and was a good player already.
But seriously, is there someway we can remind Bond and co that Shaw is a VERY good FF, who still managed to kick shit heaps of goals depite being in a concussion induced "form slump"? As good as guys like Garner look, I just don't think I can take another year of flankers.
I'm pretty sure that Shaw was one of the young WA players that trained with Fremantle for a short while last pre-season. They would have got a pretty good look at him.
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For what its worth (I.E. nothing) I finally got round to watching the highlights clip of Mason Shaw so I could see what everyone would be knashing their teeth at when we don’t pick him and I can’t say I was impressed. Lumbering was the word that came to mind. Nice straight kick but not powerful or agile. Just the sort of forward who defenders jump all over (and then run off) in today’s footy.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150912/default.aspx
Tall forward who is very strong overhead and has smarts around goals. Kicked seven goals in the WAFL colts Grand Final in 2011. A reliable kick for goal from set shots as well as clever with his snap shots. Has excellent endurance for a tall with a beep score of 14-plus showing his potential to play across half-forward. Kicked four goals for WA against Vic Country this year. AIS-AFL Academy graduate.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150912/default.aspx
AFL write up on Shaw. Really hope we get this guy, we really need to have a forward to learn from Pav while he is still playing.
Tall forward who is very strong overhead and has smarts around goals. Kicked seven goals in the WAFL colts Grand Final in 2011. A reliable kick for goal from set shots as well as clever with his snap shots. Has excellent endurance for a tall with a beep score of 14-plus showing his potential to play across half-forward. Kicked four goals for WA against Vic Country this year. AIS-AFL Academy graduate.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150912/default.aspx
AFL write up on Shaw. Really hope we get this guy, we really need to have a forward to learn from Pav while he is still playing.
Defenders wont be outmarking him, and at least he will bring the ball to ground, where Mello, Bally, Walters, Crozier, should clean up. An upgrade on Keplar, and can kick straight.
Keplar has to be managed now, and wont play 18 games without rest.
Hawkins, Pods, Cloke, Brown, all are lumbering types, all kick goals. Shaw also will excell with a decent pre-season, missed
three months of footy, Plowman injury didnt dent his hype.
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Mason Shaw is 198cm, 87kgs and 18 years old. He is clearly not going to move like Lewis Jetta. Give him a few years.
