2012 draft

[Harmichael]

I am also keen to very keen on Vlastuin. I just see Grundy filling a big hole for a decade and would hope a good inside mid would be found at 32,34,43.

We'll see. But passing on Grundy at 9 would seem a really dangerous thing to do. IMHO

Would be incompetence bordering on criminal negligence IMO. Can't see him lasting to our pick though, infact this talk of him sliding reminds that the same was being said of Natanui.

 

[_RT_]

Can't see us taking Grundy at 9, just don't see where he fits into the line up. Won't play ahead of Maric or Vickery and won't play as a KPD. Little point taking him and leaving him at Coburg either.

 

[Toadvine]

He could play forward in place of A.Edwards. Grundy has shown a great amount of ability forward and has strong defensive mindset. Lets face it A.Edwards is going to give little if any defensive pressure inside 50

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Can't see us taking Grundy at 9, just don't see where he fits into the line up. Won't play ahead of Maric or Vickery and won't play as a KPD. Little point taking him and leaving him at Coburg either.

Pick 9 should be about the best available in their respective position. Grundy is the best available ruck - arguably the best since Natanui. Vickery is not a ruckman. He can relieve for a short time but that's as far as it goes.
Melbourne probably thought they wouldn't get Natanui as he wouldn't get a game ahead of Jamar. Great decision that was!!

 

[Toadvine]

The Club has always said they draft for talent and trade for need.
Well a Ruckman as good as Grundy hasn't come along since the 2008 draft.
He could play round one. Vickery has shown more at CHF than in the Ruck at Afl level.
If the club feel Vlastuin/Garner or macrae are more talented then fair enough.

 

[tigs2010]

Anyone think Shane Nelson will be picked up in the national draft?

Not if those measurements on the AFL site are accurate. 175cm 71kg.

 

[Stylo]

What are your thoughts on Rodda's defensive game? I think he is a super kick for defender and his offensive game is solid but defensively leaves a bit to be desired. For us, we already have Rance, Griffiths, Batchelor & Grimes who can attack. IMO we will need a proper shut down full-back who never gets beaten. To me, that could be Smith where as Rodda would be more of what we have. (ie guys who can't defend the monsters.)

Yeah fair point. I just think while Rodda needs to do some work on his shut down game, he seems a more natural footballer to me than Smith. Higher ceiling. We could get him a bit cheaper and I reckon he could end up as good if not better, just my opinion. But I don't think we should worry ourselves with defenders this draft, mids and fwd/mids all the way for mine.

On another note, the AFL draft machine has us taking Vlastuin at 9, Garner at 32, Graham at 34 and Joel Tippet at 43. Wow!

 

[tigs2010]

Yeah fair point. I just think while Rodda needs to do some work on his shut down game, he seems a more natural footballer to me than Smith. Higher ceiling. We could get him a bit cheaper and I reckon he could end up as good if not better, just my opinion. But I don't think we should worry ourselves with defenders this draft, mids and fwd/mids all the way for mine.

On another note, the AFL draft machine has us taking Vlastuin at 9, Garner at 32, Graham at 34 and Joel Tippet at 43. Wow!

Yer can't see any of those last 3 picks. Graham I have questions over his kicking for FJ to be interested. If we take Joel Tippett I hope it's because there's another Joel Tippett.

 

[TigerTime88]

I have only seen highlights so am far from an informed opinion. However from what I saw O'Rourke looks like the one we want.

Is it fair to say Vlastins decision making and kicking aren't his strong suits?

O'Rourke is all class...

 

[tigs2010]

I have only seen highlights so am far from an informed opinion. However from what I saw O'Rourke looks like the one we want.

Is it fair to say Vlastins decision making and kicking aren't his strong suits?

O'Rourke is all class...

Vlastuin's kicking and decision making are good and very good respectively. His highlights package is oridnary but that's what happens when you play that style.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Graham I have questions over his kicking for FJ to be interested.

The game I saw (streamed) he kicking/decision making was great..including one goal he slotted from the boundary line. But from that game I thought he was close to best on, so he might have just had a day out and wasn't indicative of his usual performances. Because no one rate him top 20!

 

[Stylo]

The game I saw (streamed) he kicking/decision making was great..including one goal he slotted from the boundary line. But from that game I thought he was close to best on, so he might have just had a day out and wasn't indicative of his usual performances. Because no one rate him top 20!

I think he'll probably go 20-30 but I would be stoked with him at a 2nd rounder. In that game he was best on IMO, closely followed by Macrae, Graham pretty much got his side back into it single handedly.

 

[tigs2010]

The game I saw (streamed) he kicking/decision making was great..including one goal he slotted from the boundary line. But from that game I thought he was close to best on, so he might have just had a day out and wasn't indicative of his usual performances. Because no one rate him top 20!

Sorry I should have said he's inconsistent. You're right he does have good days with it and also has some bad days.

 

[richoatthedisco]

O'Rourke is class alright. Would love him but think he'll be well gone. Hopefully to GWS or Brissie, so we can steal him back in a couple of years (he said he'd prefer the Dogs so he can stay in Vic).

 

[Waltz17]

Yeah fair point. I just think while Rodda needs to do some work on his shut down game, he seems a more natural footballer to me than Smith. Higher ceiling. We could get him a bit cheaper and I reckon he could end up as good if not better, just my opinion. But I don't think we should worry ourselves with defenders this draft, mids and fwd/mids all the way for mine.

On another note, the AFL draft machine has us taking Vlastuin at 9, Garner at 32, Graham at 34 and Joel Tippet at 43. Wow!

Garner at 32?? Yes please

 

[richoatthedisco]

No chance.

 

[theflea]

What if the club rates Vlastuin higher than Grundy? Should they take Grundy just because he is a ruck?

Also, if we are looking down the track what do people think about using pick 34 on Tanner Smith if he was there? We are going to need a big full back at some stage and he looks like he could be it.

if grundy slips to pick 9 then effectively those other clubs who bypassed think there is a better option to choose.

 

[tigs2010]

if grundy slips to pick 9 then effectively those other clubs who bypassed think there is a better option to choose.

Exactly.

 

[petro12]

Grundy will not last to pick 9. whoever is available out of Macarae, O'rourke or Stringer will be our first pick.
Rookie draft a ruckman. gotta be a few bean poles around the state leagues there are of interest. Giles was this years smokey, there's some proof

 

[Stylo]

Grundy will not last to pick 9. whoever is available out of Macarae, O'rourke or Stringer will be our first pick.
Rookie draft a ruckman. gotta be a few bean poles around the state leagues there are of interest. Giles was this years smokey, there's some proof

We won't take Stringer. O'Rourke will go to the dogs. You don't think we're interested in Vlastuin? I'm pretty he's our first preference.

 

[Richo83]

Yer can't see any of those last 3 picks. Graham I have questions over his kicking for FJ to be interested.

But how many inside midfielders who are blessed with great foot skills fall to the 30s? I think Richmond have to make contingency plans if say Vlastuin AND Wines are taken before Richmond's pick. With that happening Richmond will probably not take an inside midfielder with their first pick, someone who can play midfield like Graham, Poncracic, Lonergan or others have to be considered surely?

If we take Joel Tippett I hope it's because there's another Joel Tippett.

That or Kurt has for some reason decided to change his name to match his brothers'.

 

[tigs2010]

But how many inside midfielders who are blessed with great foot skills fall to the 30s? I think Richmond have to make contingency plans if say Vlastuin AND Wines are taken before Richmond's pick. With that happening Richmond will probably not take an inside midfielder with their first pick, someone who can play midfield like Graham, Poncracic, Lonergan or others have to be considered surely?




That or Kurt has for some reason decided to change his name to match his brothers'.

Lonergan would be my first choice and Sam Landsberger has said clubs feel he may be the slider in the draft and last till mid 20's at least. Not much of a stretch to see him fall further.

Then I'd take Pongracic. Just a huge body over the ball which is effectively what we need IMO. He's not a great kick either but he is solid/good enough and at least has consistency with his kicking. His attack on the ball would make him worthy of selection alone. That and I think he is a better forward than Graham so you can add versatility to his list of positives.

I should add I don't think Graham is a bad selection. I really like his defensive side too. And if he can add some consistency to his kicking he could be an inspired choice. Guess it depends how the recruiters rate kicking. Which I am not sure.

 

[UpTheGuts]

So is Pong consistently not a great kick?

Pass

 

[Stylo]

I should add I don't think Graham is a bad selection. I really like his defensive side too. And if he can add some consistency to his kicking he could be an inspired choice. Guess it depends how the recruiters rate kicking. Which I am not sure.

I know it's not always a reliable indicator, but do you happen to know how he went in the kicking test at the combine tigs?

 

[tigs2010]

I know it's not always a reliable indicator, but do you happen to know how he went in the kicking test at the combine tigs?

Not sure tbh but under no pressure it's not a very good indicator as you said.